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[kbct]

"Art doesn't end with an advertisement to buy more DLC."

[slimgrin]

IGN is a joke.

[Iamnotahater]

Since when is plot holes and unexplained back-stories art? If only it was that easy at work.

Boss: Where's the other half of the project you have been working on? This doesn't make sense on it's own
Me: It's art
Boss:Umm...

If laziness has truly become an art then biowares ending was a masterpiece.

[greatgeek]

Colin Moriarty is a pretentious ****.

[ReshyShira]

http://i.imgur.com/RIVRX.jpg

Since when does IGN have any integrity at all? All they want is ad revenue, if they are shown to be a completely 'bought' review site than people won't go to it, and therefore it won't make money. It's in their best interests to defend their claim that the ending was 'Fitting' as that's what their review said of it.

[Heather Cline]

IGN people are being biased because Chobot is in the game. Essentially they've been paid off. Take what they say with a grain of salt because they are shills.

Modifié par Heather Cline, 23 mars 2012 - 03:35 .

[Aaleel]

They have a walking advertisement in the game, so they can't really be counted on to be unbiased.

[Volus Warlord]

Chobot can burn in the fires of hell and take IGN with her. I lost respect for that organization years ago.

[Brockololly]

slimgrin wrote...

IGN is a joke.

Out of all this, I now know that Forbes of all places has the best video game coverage around

[Aaleel]

Brockololly wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

IGN is a joke.

Out of all this, I now know that Forbes of all places has the best video game coverage around

ROFL, it's all a dream lol, priceless.

[wookieeassassin]

Video games *can* be an art form, but when you have an art form that you have developed a specific way because you know it will make you money then that work of art has already been "tainted" because it is changed somewhat to meet the desires of your customers.

Also, since the game was probably rushed to meet the March 6th release date, the ending could have very well been truncated to save time (maybe, maybe not, I don't know these things). If a more suitable ending was thrown away to save time then the art has already been "violated". If the writing team wanted to preserve their artistic integrity they would have told the project managers that they needed more time because the story was not complete at that point.

Here's the thing: the ending wasn't just bad. The biggest reason I think it is OK for them to modify it is because the things consumers were told about the game (e.g. your decisions truly make an impact, there are twenty very different endings, etc.) were pretty much not true at all. If the ending had still sucked but had met all of the pre-release promises (i.e. not lied to consumers, which led to them purchasing the game) then I would agree they shouldn't change anything.

[jtrook]

They will backup whoever promises exclusives.

[Ronin1325]

wookieeassassin wrote...

Video games *can* be an art form, but when you have an art form that you have developed a specific way because you know it will make you money then that work of art has already been "tainted" because it is changed somewhat to meet the desires of your customers.

Also, since the game was probably rushed to meet the March 6th release date, the ending could have very well been truncated to save time (maybe, maybe not, I don't know these things). If a more suitable ending was thrown away to save time then the art has already been "violated". If the writing team wanted to preserve their artistic integrity they would have told the project managers that they needed more time because the story was not complete at that point.

Here's the thing: the ending wasn't just bad. The biggest reason I think it is OK for them to modify it is because the things consumers were told about the game (e.g. your decisions truly make an impact, there are twenty very different endings, etc.) were pretty much not true at all. If the ending had still sucked but had met all of the pre-release promises (i.e. not lied to consumers, which led to them purchasing the game) then I would agree they shouldn't change anything.

That's spot on, wookieeassassin, the claims made about what the ending would be are legion and virtually none of them were lived up to. This is what has most of us up in arms. The 'violating artistic integrity' argument is a strawman. Customers have every right to get the product they were promised.

[dorktainian]

someone once said ''art is never finished, only abandoned....''

I think Bioware abandoned ME3 about 20 minutes before the end and it shows.

[Gemini1179]

IGN should take their concerns to every major film studio first and see how things go.

[Tazzmission]

BobbyDylan wrote...

IGN is just scared Bioware might cut their employee out of the game.

you would if they said they agree with you

dont deny it because you know that to be true

[Gemini1179]

Tazzmission wrote...

BobbyDylan wrote...

IGN is just scared Bioware might cut their employee out of the game.

you would if they said they agree with you

dont deny it because you know that to be true

I never would have put her in. Emily Wong would have made so much more sense.

[Eudaemonium]

If it was just a bad ending, there wouldn't really be this level fo rage around it. People would complain and hopefully move on. Thie issue is that customers were lied to with regards to the substance of the ending, and that it radically undercuts the artistic vision of the rest of the product.

99% of ME3 is art. The rest is the ending.

[CptBomBom00]

Tell me guys who listens to IGN, who?

[Elhanan]

I partially agree in that the the games are art, and that Bioware has the right to stand firmly behind them and their artists, and that the bemoaning crowds are not owed anything.

But Bioware as a whole are the artists, and also may choose to create alternative endings. For if they do not have that choice, then there is no freedom OF choice. Some may have opinions on either side, but it is Bioware in the Captain's chair; not them, and only they may make the call.

[Skyhawk02]

Squallypo wrote...

ign ppl can go eat chocolate for all i care for

Am i missing something here?  Don't most people like eating chocolate?

[Frozen Mind]

Role of the video game is to give entertainment to players (so they have fun and pump more money), not to be an art (most of valued pieces of art are not understandable by average people).

It's also a sport, "e-sport". You're back from work and want to relax, not to comprehend artistic visions... Mass Effect is (or was supposed) to be special - fully interactive with decisions that evaluate to something really important.

At the end of game you have a feeling it's incomplete, there's something missing, and even facts can't give you answers.

I guess books about the art of game design would tell such a feedback from players is a failure of design.

[Biotic Sage]

You can attack IGN all you want (and some of the attacks are valid). That doesn't make their message of "fans changing the ME3 ending is bad for art" any less true. It is bad for art. It's bad for creative content. It's hard enough these days to find fiction that isn't created for the SOLE purpose of making money and pandering to its audience, something with a soul that rings true. If this is what we have become: a society that forces artists to cater to the whims of every fan, then I am disgusted. This is some kind of dystopia where true art is being completely snuffed out by the masses, ironically killing the very thing they are longing for.