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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 11:04

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You can attack IGN all you want (and some of the attacks are valid). That doesn't make their message of "fans changing the ME3 ending is bad for art" any less true. It is bad for art. It's bad for creative content. It's hard enough these days to find fiction that isn't created for the SOLE purpose of making money and pandering to its audience, something with a soul that rings true. If this is what we have become: a society that forces artists to cater to the whims of every fan, then I am disgusted. This is some kind of dystopia where true art is being completely snuffed out by the masses, ironically killing the very thing they are longing for.



You could trot out that line in defence of any old ****ty ending. Fans disappointed with the game have every right calling out Bioware on their broken promises. Artistic dystopia indeed *phffft*!

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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 11:06

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IGN? Gamespot? Etc?

I took that list of sites which gave 9/10 10/10 to the game and made it my personal blacklist of never to go to or read anything from them. It's obviously pointless waste of time to read whatever they put there after ME3 disaster.

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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 11:08

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i dont understand didnt ign provide the interviews where mark said they were not providing a,b and c ending choices... seems like ign just wants to be biowares friend when this storm is over gg colin no wonder you are the head of news and blabla you know whos ass to kiss

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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 11:10

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F**K IGN and their stooopid trolling sh*theads.

Yeah, I feel like punching someone. And IGN is too close.

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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 11:11

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Brockololly wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

IGN is a joke.


Image IPB

Out of all this, I now know that Forbes of all places has the best video game coverage around

need we say more... -.-

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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 11:11

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IGN says changing ME3s ending is bad for art


A whole sentence one word too long. HERE, let me rephrase it:

IGN says ME3s ending is bad for art

THERE, IGN, see? It's not so hard to make a sensible sentence. Even out of gibberish and stupidity.

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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 11:12

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Fandango9641 wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

You can attack IGN all you want (and some of the attacks are valid). That doesn't make their message of "fans changing the ME3 ending is bad for art" any less true. It is bad for art. It's bad for creative content. It's hard enough these days to find fiction that isn't created for the SOLE purpose of making money and pandering to its audience, something with a soul that rings true. If this is what we have become: a society that forces artists to cater to the whims of every fan, then I am disgusted. This is some kind of dystopia where true art is being completely snuffed out by the masses, ironically killing the very thing they are longing for.



You could trot out that line in defence of any old ****ty ending. Fans disappointed with the game have every right calling out Bioware on their broken promises. Artistic dystopia indeed *phffft*!


Personally I like that there can BE ****ty endings.  That means that artists are taking risks, and hitting the right notes with some people while inevitably alienating others.  It's better than living in a world of pleasant, safe art where artists create to the lowest common denominator in order to try to please as many people as possible (translation, in order to get as much money from as many people as possible).

You can't have "amazing" without "****ty" as well.  There can't be happiness without sadness.  The great thing is, if you view a film that you consider ****ty, you can choose never to watch it again!  Gravitate toward something you like more.  Same with Mass Effect.  If you disagree with Bioware's overall vision, play something else.  You judged too hastily by liking the first two without comprehending their entire vision.  I myself acknowledged that I enjoyed the first two, and had high hopes for the third, but could not commend it as a complete, masterful work since I hadn't experienced the whole thing yet.

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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 11:14

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Biotic Sage wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

You can attack IGN all you want (and some of the attacks are valid). That doesn't make their message of "fans changing the ME3 ending is bad for art" any less true. It is bad for art. It's bad for creative content. It's hard enough these days to find fiction that isn't created for the SOLE purpose of making money and pandering to its audience, something with a soul that rings true. If this is what we have become: a society that forces artists to cater to the whims of every fan, then I am disgusted. This is some kind of dystopia where true art is being completely snuffed out by the masses, ironically killing the very thing they are longing for.



You could trot out that line in defence of any old ****ty ending. Fans disappointed with the game have every right calling out Bioware on their broken promises. Artistic dystopia indeed *phffft*!


Personally I like that there can BE ****ty endings.  That means that artists are taking risks, and hitting the right notes with some people while inevitably alienating others.  It's better than living in a world of pleasant, safe art where artists create to the lowest common denominator in order to try to please as many people as possible.

You can't have "amazing" without "****ty" as well.  There can't be happiness without sadness.  The great thing is, if you view a film that you consider ****ty, you can choose never to watch it again!  Gravitate toward something you like more.

what the hell are you talking about... promising for multiple endings and saying that we are not going to give you a,b  and c ending and doing it anyway then defending it saying art ... common didnt you watch all the interviews werent you there when me3 wasnt that big... did you read the web posts...??? hold the bloddy line

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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 11:17

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The only constants in life are change and duality...dark/light, joy/agony, Great endings/suckiest suck that ever sucked...

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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 11:17

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ohh WOOOW anyone else think he thinks its a suitable ending because he is PS3 and its the ONLY GAME IN THE SERIES HES PLAYED!

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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 11:18

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Biotic Sage, I am an artist myself, and I do care about what you are saying.

Personally I think you are absolutely right regarding risks.

HOWEVER, having said that, the argument that you cannot change anything regarding your work because after you shipped it, it becomes "instantaneously" art that cannot be changed at all, is inane and gibberish.

I know what the frak I am talking about. I have had my designs changed over and over and over because there were details (that always had consequences in larger issues) or issues that were bigger that had to be solved, even after the design had been "officially" ended. Thing is, the *end product* is and should be regarded as more important than your own artistic ego, and the artist himself should regard himself more like the end product "slave", in the sense that if you have to redo your design over and over, you must still give the best you can to maintain its integrity, cohesion and meaning, or even improving it.

It hurts like hell. I frakking know it. But IGN DOES NOT KNOW IT AT ALL. They are clueless brainless farts and I can't stand their sheer smugness idiotic hipster badmouthing attitude.

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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 11:18

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desirearune wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

You can attack IGN all you want (and some of the attacks are valid). That doesn't make their message of "fans changing the ME3 ending is bad for art" any less true. It is bad for art. It's bad for creative content. It's hard enough these days to find fiction that isn't created for the SOLE purpose of making money and pandering to its audience, something with a soul that rings true. If this is what we have become: a society that forces artists to cater to the whims of every fan, then I am disgusted. This is some kind of dystopia where true art is being completely snuffed out by the masses, ironically killing the very thing they are longing for.



You could trot out that line in defence of any old ****ty ending. Fans disappointed with the game have every right calling out Bioware on their broken promises. Artistic dystopia indeed *phffft*!


Personally I like that there can BE ****ty endings.  That means that artists are taking risks, and hitting the right notes with some people while inevitably alienating others.  It's better than living in a world of pleasant, safe art where artists create to the lowest common denominator in order to try to please as many people as possible.

You can't have "amazing" without "****ty" as well.  There can't be happiness without sadness.  The great thing is, if you view a film that you consider ****ty, you can choose never to watch it again!  Gravitate toward something you like more.

what the hell are you talking about... promising for multiple endings and saying that we are not going to give you a,b  and c ending and doing it anyway then defending it saying art ... common didnt you watch all the interviews werent you there when me3 wasnt that big... did you read the web posts...??? hold the bloddy line


I don't know what to tell you.  I am an open-minded, educated individual and have been a fan of Mass Effect since the very first game and I was completely enthralled by ME3 through the entire game, and thoroughly enjoyed the ending.  I was emotionally moved, intellectually challenged, and inspired.  It hit the right notes for me.  Maybe I approached it differently than others, who knows.  But I'm not buying into this "hold the line," universal hatred for the ending when I personally thought it was brilliant when I experienced it for myself before coming onto the internet again.  And then also when I discussed it with people and realized it had even more depth than I originally thought, and that a lot of the "raging" was illogical, misguided, or simply based on different taste or opinion.

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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 11:20

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Arkitekt wrote...

Biotic Sage, I am an artist myself, and I do care about what you are saying.

Personally I think you are absolutely right regarding risks.

HOWEVER, having said that, the argument that you cannot change anything regarding your work because after you shipped it, it becomes "instantaneously" art that cannot be changed at all, is inane and gibberish.

I know what the frak I am talking about. I have had my designs changed over and over and over because there were details (that always had consequences in larger issues) or issues that were bigger that had to be solved, even after the design had been "officially" ended. Thing is, the *end product* is and should be regarded as more important than your own artistic ego, and the artist himself should regard himself more like the end product "slave", in the sense that if you have to redo your design over and over, you must still give the best you can to maintain its integrity, cohesion and meaning, or even improving it.

It hurts like hell. I frakking know it. But IGN DOES NOT KNOW IT AT ALL. They are clueless brainless farts and I can't stand their sheer smugness idiotic hipster badmouthing attitude.


I'm talking about the broad strokes.  Bioware's main vision for the ending.  That is integral to Mass Effect as a whole.  It cannot be changed without comprimising the entire work of art.  In terms of little things like editing, some cut/added dialogue, or execution in general, sure it can be improved.  Everything can be improved.  Nothing is perfect.

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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 11:20

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Biotic Sage wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

You can attack IGN all you want (and some of the attacks are valid). That doesn't make their message of "fans changing the ME3 ending is bad for art" any less true. It is bad for art. It's bad for creative content. It's hard enough these days to find fiction that isn't created for the SOLE purpose of making money and pandering to its audience, something with a soul that rings true. If this is what we have become: a society that forces artists to cater to the whims of every fan, then I am disgusted. This is some kind of dystopia where true art is being completely snuffed out by the masses, ironically killing the very thing they are longing for.



You could trot out that line in defence of any old ****ty ending. Fans disappointed with the game have every right calling out Bioware on their broken promises. Artistic dystopia indeed *phffft*!


Personally I like that there can BE ****ty endings.  That means that artists are taking risks, and hitting the right notes with some people while inevitably alienating others.  It's better than living in a world of pleasant, safe art where artists create to the lowest common denominator in order to try to please as many people as possible (translation, in order to get as much money from as many people as possible).

You can't have "amazing" without "****ty" as well.  There can't be happiness without sadness.  The great thing is, if you view a film that you consider ****ty, you can choose never to watch it again!  Gravitate toward something you like more.  Same with Mass Effect.  If you disagree with Bioware's overall vision, play something else.  You judged too hastily by liking the first two without comprehending their entire vision.  I myself acknowledged that I enjoyed the first two, and had high hopes for the third, but could not commend it as a complete, masterful work since I hadn't experienced the whole thing yet.


Good grief, I almost didnt make it past the first sentence of your reply. Forgive me if I misuderstand, but if you are actually suggesting that we should applaud Bioware for rolling out a rotten ending for ME3 because doing so makes the good stuff look all the better thats absurd. I mean support the game by all means, but please remember that explicit promises with regards the ending of this game were made over and over by Bioware during development and they failed to deliver on most of them. Carry on.

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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 11:21

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Biotic Sage wrote...

desirearune wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

You can attack IGN all you want (and some of the attacks are valid). That doesn't make their message of "fans changing the ME3 ending is bad for art" any less true. It is bad for art. It's bad for creative content. It's hard enough these days to find fiction that isn't created for the SOLE purpose of making money and pandering to its audience, something with a soul that rings true. If this is what we have become: a society that forces artists to cater to the whims of every fan, then I am disgusted. This is some kind of dystopia where true art is being completely snuffed out by the masses, ironically killing the very thing they are longing for.



You could trot out that line in defence of any old ****ty ending. Fans disappointed with the game have every right calling out Bioware on their broken promises. Artistic dystopia indeed *phffft*!


Personally I like that there can BE ****ty endings.  That means that artists are taking risks, and hitting the right notes with some people while inevitably alienating others.  It's better than living in a world of pleasant, safe art where artists create to the lowest common denominator in order to try to please as many people as possible.

You can't have "amazing" without "****ty" as well.  There can't be happiness without sadness.  The great thing is, if you view a film that you consider ****ty, you can choose never to watch it again!  Gravitate toward something you like more.

what the hell are you talking about... promising for multiple endings and saying that we are not going to give you a,b  and c ending and doing it anyway then defending it saying art ... common didnt you watch all the interviews werent you there when me3 wasnt that big... did you read the web posts...??? hold the bloddy line


I don't know what to tell you.  I am an open-minded, educated individual and have been a fan of Mass Effect since the very first game and I was completely enthralled by ME3 through the entire game, and thoroughly enjoyed the ending.  I was emotionally moved, intellectually challenged, and inspired.  It hit the right notes for me.  Maybe I approached it differently than others, who knows.  But I'm not buying into this "hold the line," universal hatred for the ending when I personally thought it was brilliant when I experienced it for myself before coming onto the internet again.  And then also when I discussed it with people and realized it had even more depth than I originally thought, and that a lot of the "raging" was illogical, misguided, or simply based on different taste or opinion.


i like how you show you are passive aggressive.. also really like the way you put illogical and misguided before different taste or opinion.... we are not so different after all we judge people because they are different than us... i was asking about the promises made i said nothing about anything else...

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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 11:21

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ssgt thompson1 wrote...

ohh WOOOW anyone else think he thinks its a suitable ending because he is PS3 and its the ONLY GAME IN THE SERIES HES PLAYED!


If you're talking about me...nice try.  That would make your perspective easier to stay entrenched in.  Unfortunately for you I have been a fan since the first game, studied narrative theory in college, and read all of my codex entries.  Oh em gee.  A "true fan" who defends the ending?  My.  God.

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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 11:23

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Biotic Sage wrote...

ssgt thompson1 wrote...

ohh WOOOW anyone else think he thinks its a suitable ending because he is PS3 and its the ONLY GAME IN THE SERIES HES PLAYED!


If you're talking about me...nice try.  That would make your perspective easier to stay entrenched in.  Unfortunately for you I have been a fan since the first game, studied narrative theory in college, and read all of my codex entries.  Oh em gee.  A "true fan" who defends the ending?  My.  God.

Talkin about Colin

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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 11:23

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desirearune wrote...

i like how you show you are passive aggressive.. also really like the way you put illogical and misguided before different taste or opinion.... we are not so different after all we judge people because they are different than us... i was asking about the promises made i said nothing about anything else...


Because I call you out when you basically say, "open your eyes to the truth!!" like I'm blind or something, I'm passive aggressive?  I was laying out the facts.

As for the "promises made," a lot of that is either misinterpreted or just marketing speak (which I never pay attention to anyway).

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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 11:23

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Biotic Sage wrote...

ssgt thompson1 wrote...

ohh WOOOW anyone else think he thinks its a suitable ending because he is PS3 and its the ONLY GAME IN THE SERIES HES PLAYED!


If you're talking about me...nice try.  That would make your perspective easier to stay entrenched in.  Unfortunately for you I have been a fan since the first game, studied narrative theory in college, and read all of my codex entries.  Oh em gee.  A "true fan" who defends the ending?  My.  God.

think he was talking about the post where ign something something head has an interview.... -.-

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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 11:24

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ssgt thompson1 wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

ssgt thompson1 wrote...

ohh WOOOW anyone else think he thinks its a suitable ending because he is PS3 and its the ONLY GAME IN THE SERIES HES PLAYED!


If you're talking about me...nice try.  That would make your perspective easier to stay entrenched in.  Unfortunately for you I have been a fan since the first game, studied narrative theory in college, and read all of my codex entries.  Oh em gee.  A "true fan" who defends the ending?  My.  God.

Talkin about Colin


Then my apologies.  I'm in constant defense mode on these forums since I represent about 5% of the fanbase with my views.  If that.

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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 11:26

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Biotic Sage wrote...

desirearune wrote...

i like how you show you are passive aggressive.. also really like the way you put illogical and misguided before different taste or opinion.... we are not so different after all we judge people because they are different than us... i was asking about the promises made i said nothing about anything else...


Because I call you out when you basically say, "open your eyes to the truth!!" like I'm blind or something, I'm passive aggressive?  I was laying out the facts.

As for the "promises made," a lot of that is either misinterpreted or just marketing speak (which I never pay attention to anyway).

wow misinterpreted... hummm i dont know what i can say man... you have to read them saying it to your face then judge the red green and blue choices they gave you... you are right i was comming a bit strong but not about how bad or good the ending was i was saying look at the promises.....

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Biotic Sage wrote...

ssgt thompson1 wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

ssgt thompson1 wrote...

ohh WOOOW anyone else think he thinks its a suitable ending because he is PS3 and its the ONLY GAME IN THE SERIES HES PLAYED!


If you're talking about me...nice try.  That would make your perspective easier to stay entrenched in.  Unfortunately for you I have been a fan since the first game, studied narrative theory in college, and read all of my codex entries.  Oh em gee.  A "true fan" who defends the ending?  My.  God.

Talkin about Colin


Then my apologies.  I'm in constant defense mode on these forums since I represent about 5% of the fanbase with my views.  If that.

lol we know how you feel when we started speaking about how we felt about the ending 95 percent said "we were just angry kids and should go to bed" that was the exact message sent to me lol

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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 11:30

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You know I'm kind of glad that all these review sites are doing what they're doing. At least it's helping a lot of people see them for what they all really are. :)

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desirearune wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

ssgt thompson1 wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

ssgt thompson1 wrote...

ohh WOOOW anyone else think he thinks its a suitable ending because he is PS3 and its the ONLY GAME IN THE SERIES HES PLAYED!


If you're talking about me...nice try.  That would make your perspective easier to stay entrenched in.  Unfortunately for you I have been a fan since the first game, studied narrative theory in college, and read all of my codex entries.  Oh em gee.  A "true fan" who defends the ending?  My.  God.

Talkin about Colin


Then my apologies.  I'm in constant defense mode on these forums since I represent about 5% of the fanbase with my views.  If that.

lol we know how you feel when we started speaking about how we felt about the ending 95 percent said "we were just angry kids and should go to bed" that was the exact message sent to me lol


Still holding!

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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 11:32

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IGN misunderstood the South park argument that changing the original Star wars movies. The idea was that they did not aprove of GL changing or adding scenes into the original movie, and then relese it again on DVD so he could make money for something twice

What Bioware fans want is either a statement telling the costumers, "we are sorry, we had a tight schedule, and EA forced us to make a crappy ending so we could make more money, we are so sorry and will fix this issue". Or giving us the option to either pay for the real ending that was removed, or give us the real ending for free and thus making Mass effect the worlds greatest video game saga in existence
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