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[Faust1979]

Salis777 wrote...

wastelander75 wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...

Akaryu wrote...

as if it needed confirmation this just proves that IGN was offered incentives by EA to smile and nod and everything they say.

prove it

Diane Allers/Chobot

This.  Not hard to work it out, I don't think you're trying Faust.

What does that have to do with IGN though? 

[Faust1979]

aLucidMind wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...

Salis777 wrote...

wastelander75 wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...

Akaryu wrote...

as if it needed confirmation this just proves that IGN was offered incentives by EA to smile and nod and everything they say.

prove it

Diane Allers/Chobot

This.  Not hard to work it out, I don't think you're trying Faust.

What does that have to do with IGN though? 

Diane Allers works for IGN.

doesn't mean IGN is being paid off  though the only way that I would believe it some actual proof  wire taps, documents, speculation and an IGN worker being in a game isn't proof of anything

[Salis777]

Faust1979 wrote...

aLucidMind wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...

Salis777 wrote...

wastelander75 wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...

Akaryu wrote...

as if it needed confirmation this just proves that IGN was offered incentives by EA to smile and nod and everything they say.

prove it

Diane Allers/Chobot

This.  Not hard to work it out, I don't think you're trying Faust.

What does that have to do with IGN though? 

Diane Allers works for IGN.

doesn't mean IGN is being paid off  though the only way that I would believe it some actual proof  wire taps, documents, speculation and an IGN worker being in a game isn't proof of anything

This would be whats called 'a conflict of interest.'  The fact they even review the game after this is laughable.  But then they have absolutely no integrity whatsoever.

[nevar00]

That ending was bad for "art".

Dues Ex Machinas, massive plot holes, and lies and false promises do not make art, especially alongside DLC ads, and blatant marketing ploys with journalists playing themselves in the game. The art argument is truly laughable.

I don't hear anyone using the art argument with the changes that will happen to the Deception book. That's because it is a horrific mess, same as this ending.

[InvincibleHero]

wastelander75 wrote...

Chobot works for IGN, IGN comes to BioWare's "Defense" with its "Dangerous Precedent" vlog, basically calling the displeasure at the ending as being nothing more than a very vocal "super minority" and that if BioWare does cave to fan outcry it would set a "dangerous precedent" virtually unheard of before.

Which it's been established that precedent has been set numerous times in numerous forms of media-based works of art.

I can personally list instances from movies, books, and ART itself if you want me to.

Instead of conspiracy based on laughable circumstantial evidence how about IGN did it out of self-interest. They have a vested interest to promote that their reviews are valid and defend their writers that post their scores. Many other sites defended BW so it makes them all paid right? EA is in the red the last three years and has so much debt so where did they get the funds to bribe all these people? BTW IGN's 9.5 was overshadowed by 75+ perfect scores.

Even though I am not on your side I suggest abandoning all such talk or your side will be tarnished.

[Gatt9]

alexanderdaniel75 wrote...

Movies are also considered forms of art HOWEVER most blockbusters are test screened before release and if they dislike something (like the ending maybe?) it is corrected before its released...(hint,hint)...

Pretty much this.

Lord of the Rings?  Extended editions with hours more content.

Harry Potter?  The first two received extended editions with more content.

How about Superman 2?  It received a directors cut to make it more inline with what the director had wanted,  before the suits interfered.

Blade 3,  Chronicles of Riddick,  Lion Witch Wardrobe,  Avatar got a whole new begining for pete's sake.

IGN and the other sites are just trying to defend their "Perfect" reviews now that people are coming to realize they quit being objective years ago.  They're hoping people buy their weak defense and keep coming to their sites.  Personally,  I think it's far too late,  I think pretty much all of the existing "Gaming Journalists" are pretty much exposed for charlatans.

[Faust1979]

Gatt9 wrote...

alexanderdaniel75 wrote...

Movies are also considered forms of art HOWEVER most blockbusters are test screened before release and if they dislike something (like the ending maybe?) it is corrected before its released...(hint,hint)...

Pretty much this.

Lord of the Rings?  Extended editions with hours more content.

Harry Potter?  The first two received extended editions with more content.

How about Superman 2?  It received a directors cut to make it more inline with what the director had wanted,  before the suits interfered.

Blade 3,  Chronicles of Riddick,  Lion Witch Wardrobe,  Avatar got a whole new begining for pete's sake.

IGN and the other sites are just trying to defend their "Perfect" reviews now that people are coming to realize they quit being objective years ago.  They're hoping people buy their weak defense and keep coming to their sites.  Personally,  I think it's far too late,  I think pretty much all of the existing "Gaming Journalists" are pretty much exposed for charlatans.

or you're just angry that people don't have the same opinion as you

[Salis777]

Faust1979 wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...

alexanderdaniel75 wrote...

Movies are also considered forms of art HOWEVER most blockbusters are test screened before release and if they dislike something (like the ending maybe?) it is corrected before its released...(hint,hint)...

Pretty much this.

Lord of the Rings?  Extended editions with hours more content.

Harry Potter?  The first two received extended editions with more content.

How about Superman 2?  It received a directors cut to make it more inline with what the director had wanted,  before the suits interfered.

Blade 3,  Chronicles of Riddick,  Lion Witch Wardrobe,  Avatar got a whole new begining for pete's sake.

IGN and the other sites are just trying to defend their "Perfect" reviews now that people are coming to realize they quit being objective years ago.  They're hoping people buy their weak defense and keep coming to their sites.  Personally,  I think it's far too late,  I think pretty much all of the existing "Gaming Journalists" are pretty much exposed for charlatans.

or you're just angry that people don't have the same opinion as you

And that is why anything you say from now on is going to be regarded as dubious.

[InvincibleHero]

wastelander75 wrote...

I never said there was a conspiracy, though the circumstantial evidence makes IGN look overly guilty beyond other video game sites.

What do I think all of this does to IGN? It puts them in a place where there's a severe conflict of interest on their part and they really shouldn't have said anything positive or negative on the matter.

That's what journalism is supposed to do. Remain neutral on all fronts and simply focus on both the truth and the news.

Edit: And do some fact checking before they DO decide to speak in the future.

No you didn't. Many here have and it was just a short step away from implied after all.

So they should not have reviewed one of the biggest games of the year when their readers rely on their reviews to determine whether games are a buy or pass?

How do you know they did not give an honest neutral review?

[lazuli]

Lol art. It's all been said, but really. Art. I guess there is something artistic about decapitating a franchise spanning around 100 hours of gameplay in just 10 minutes.

[InvincibleHero]

wastelander75 wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

No you didn't. Many here have and it was just a short step away from implied after all.

So they should not have reviewed one of the biggest games of the year when their readers rely on their reviews to determine whether games are a buy or pass?

How do you know they did not give an honest neutral review?

I should've clarified it further. Forgive me for that. That's on me and I apologise for that.

What I meant by that statement is that they shouldn't have thrown their hat into the whole "ending" fiasco that followed. They're entitled to review and rate a game. But with the controversy surrounding ME3, they should have simply stayed out of all of it, considering the conflict of interest that they'd be held up to. I don't mind them reporting on it, but going "all in" like they have and making themselves look foolish (imo) isn't a positive thing for them or their site members.

No need to apologize I was partly to blame as well.

Well if Chobot reviewed ME3 there is a definite conflict of interest there.  Handing it off to another reviewer seems fair to allow them to carry on their business model of providing video game reviews and other info. Standing out was not an option.

How does the ending have to do with Chobot other than she works for IGN?

I'm not an IGN frequenter go there occassionally when someone provides links or I want to read specific reviews. Is the fan response there negative to their ME3 coverage?

[Il Divo]

Faust1979 wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...

alexanderdaniel75 wrote...

Movies are also considered forms of art HOWEVER most blockbusters are test screened before release and if they dislike something (like the ending maybe?) it is corrected before its released...(hint,hint)...

Pretty much this.

Lord of the Rings?  Extended editions with hours more content.

Harry Potter?  The first two received extended editions with more content.

How about Superman 2?  It received a directors cut to make it more inline with what the director had wanted,  before the suits interfered.

Blade 3,  Chronicles of Riddick,  Lion Witch Wardrobe,  Avatar got a whole new begining for pete's sake.

IGN and the other sites are just trying to defend their "Perfect" reviews now that people are coming to realize they quit being objective years ago.  They're hoping people buy their weak defense and keep coming to their sites.  Personally,  I think it's far too late,  I think pretty much all of the existing "Gaming Journalists" are pretty much exposed for charlatans.

or you're just angry that people don't have the same opinion as you

Differing opinions are wonderful. But then, I'd love to hear their takes on all of Gatt's examples. In addition, we might also consider (since the topic is artistic integrity) the idea of making Garrus/Tali romances due to fan demand, the absence of the Prothean squad-mate on standard copies of dlc, reminding players to purchase dlc at the conclusion of the game, in addition to the concept of constructive criticism, which requires that the writer in question be open to suggestions on their strengths/weaknesses.

Reality is even artists compromise, sometimes against their will. If you enjoy painting impressionist works while the market wants realism, you continue artistic integrity at your own expense.

Modifié par Il Divo, 26 mars 2012 - 05:07 .

[Buffy-Summers]

Is crud art?

A marble statue is art

Throwing together a bunch of things and hoping it works isnt art its a hot mess


They really need to stop with the it will set a bad example, it will ruin gaming, it will destroy life as we know it. You dont have to eliminte the horrible ending.

Just have a second ending that isnt so horrible.

That way you have the artisic hot mess and something that really means something

[SOMETHING_FOR_NOTHING]

o yeah here is a better thought, MAYBE just MAYBE they shouldnt of made a horrid bad ending in the FIRST place..........

honestly tho i dont care any more the ending ruined 5 years of epicness, i just care about MP now...and that is getting stale fast

[CARL_DF90]

I wouldn't call it a bad thing per se. The ending just needed some additional exposition to further clarify, expand, and elabortate just what the hack happened.

[CPTHughJardon]

the ending needs to be changed dam it iv played all 3 games,1 and 2 multiple times,hours and hours of gameplay highly invested in the story and characters,bought all the books all in the hope of finally getting a purple explosion and what do i get?red,blue,green what the **** is this?shame on you bioware

[Kanner]

You know what else is bad for art? Putting idiot minor league celebrities in your thing just because you can.

[LilyasAvalon]

Forbes retaliated with facts.

[CerberusSoldier]

IGN is stupid and a paid member of the developers kiss my ass club . as well buying any game Bioware makes as gold

[Redcoat]

I think I'll just point out that when the last words presented to the player are "Downloadable Content," that the "It''s art!" defence sort of falls flat.