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[thebigbad1013]

So at first we did have a point about the ending but now that point is no longer valid because some time has passed? Last time I checked the ending was still the same so it stands to reason that the point is still valid.

[Brother Kosh]

While I totally agree with the stance of keeping things calm and civil and think that the Mass Effect series is one of the best out there, you can't tell me that some of the quotes used prior to the games release now seem a little misleading. The famous Hudson lines of "the game will not end with a simple A, B or C choice" almost now looks like he was talking about a different game entirely. There are more and I will spare anyone reading this the drama of listing them but when you look back at them and then look at what was presented, the don’t match up.

The sad part is, unless they pull out some biblical ending from under the mat, the whole Mass Effect series will now forever be remembered for its ending mess. When you meet an ME fan your likely first words will be "what did you think about the ending?" and not about how awesome Garrus was or who your Shep had as a LI and how that changed your play though.

[Rockpopple]

MattFini wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

People need to re-think of what being "a fan" means. If I was a developer I honestly would just stop listening to what anyone had to say, positive or negative, and just let the chips fall where they may. Nobody gets paid enough to take on this kind of crap.

And if you were a developer responsible for this terrible ending, and you failed to acknoweldge it, you might face long-term repercussions.  

And you know what? I'd gladly take those repercussions. Gladly.

If you guys were right, and you were the majority, and my product tanks, and my studio closes and I go bankrupt and I die homeless on the streets, I'd only have myself to blame. If you were wrong and you were a vocal minority, I'd be laughing all the way to the bank.

Either way, it would be on MY goddamned terms, not yours, the consumer. 

Modifié par Rockpopple, 22 mars 2012 - 04:26 .

[Mims]

Not all the haterage is coming from BSN. There were people at the ready to go for bioware's throat regardless of how ME turned out in retribution for DA2, and the "fall of RPG". Its unfortunate that they're being looped in with people with rational complaints, but.

[ShepnTali]

This is silly. Know what I'd do if the forum annoyed me? Common sense.... leave. Then I might come back later when it cools off.

[Walsh1980]

I wasn't happy with the endings either but there is enough good about the game to discuss other than the bad end. Now when they change the ending and, for example, there is no indoctrination, those people are going to blow up. I don't think Bioware can win here.

[Lanay]

Drake-Shepard wrote...

BW can make whatever they want. And charge what they want for it. I will make my choice to buy or not,

But they made certain promises and people are waiting for them to be for filled. There's a page of quotes. Its pretty obvious why some are angry.

I am not bothering to hold the line or anything but I appreciate the ones who are

Here is the page of quotes, by the way.  I don't think anyone's quieting down until they actually address some of this, instead of just saying 'we're listening' all the time.

[Drake-Shepard]

eghbdgdsgh wrote...

Skirata129 wrote...

I'm sorry, what's getting ridiculous? until they address our concerns with out all the PR spin, hold the line.

This is not 'constructive' critisism. Only positve feedback is constructive. Because one or two morons made a death threat or used 'bad' words, i will put you in the same bracket as them and not reply.

*me on my high horse* 

ps. sarcasm

Modifié par Drake-Shepard, 22 mars 2012 - 04:28 .

[Godeskian]

Rockpopple wrote...Either way, it would be on MY goddamned terms, not yours, the consumer. 

You seem to be implying that consumers should simply accept what they're given without recourse if what they're given is unsatisfactory. Was that your implication or am I misreading your post?

[pablosplinter]

Respect for Bioware.....Ah yes, we have dismissed that claim

[MattFini]

Rockpopple wrote...

MattFini wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

People need to re-think of what being "a fan" means. If I was a developer I honestly would just stop listening to what anyone had to say, positive or negative, and just let the chips fall where they may. Nobody gets paid enough to take on this kind of crap.

And if you were a developer responsible for this terrible ending, and you failed to acknoweldge it, you might face long-term repercussions.  

And you know what? I'd gladly take those repercussions. Gladly.

If you guys were right, and you were the majority, and my product tanks, and my studio closes and I go bankrupt and I die homeless on the streets, I'd only have myself to blame. If you were wrong and you were a vocal minority, I'd be laughing all the way to the bank.

Either way, it would be on MY goddamned terms, not yours, the consumer. 

Well, hopefully BioWare has more good sense than you do.  

Won't amount to much if the Mass Effect brand goes into the toilet but they can sit around saying, "Hell yeah, we did it on our terms!  High five!"

[MystaisPC]

Rockpopple wrote...

It's just mob mentality at this point. People blindly lashing out in anger and hate. Emphasis on the word "blindly".

I don't like the endings either, but this is ****ing ridiculous.

It's like the DA2 fiasco. I thought that was when the "fandom" showed their true colors, but this puts that nonsense to shame.

People need to re-think of what being "a fan" means. If I was a developer I honestly would just stop listening to what anyone had to say, positive or negative, and just let the chips fall where they may. Nobody gets paid enough to take on this kind of crap.

So 'fan' to you means just take what you are given and just deal with it... after paying for it, of course?

An unhappy customer doing nothing only leads to nothing being done.  Get it?  If we are such a minority then why does Bioware even care?  They already have our money.

Modifié par MystaisPC, 22 mars 2012 - 04:30 .

[Rune-Chan]

Rockpopple wrote...

It's just mob mentality at this point. People blindly lashing out in anger and hate. Emphasis on the word "blindly".

I don't like the endings either, but this is ****ing ridiculous.

It's like the DA2 fiasco. I thought that was when the "fandom" showed their true colors, but this puts that nonsense to shame.

People need to re-think of what being "a fan" means. If I was a developer I honestly would just stop listening to what anyone had to say, positive or negative, and just let the chips fall where they may. Nobody gets paid enough to take on this kind of crap.

I agree that some people are insanely overzealous, but most people would claim to be fans of the series, not fans of the company at this point.

I don't agree with how some people are reacting, but I also believe that Bioware dropped the ball, and should have just manned up and admitted it.

I am getting tired of all the 'Hold the Line' sheep though...

Modifié par Machines Are Us, 22 mars 2012 - 04:31 .

[Xandurpein]

Personally I think that Bioware in some regards have to reap (pun intended) what they sow. They have made much good PR by claiming how important the fans are for them.

[Kuari999]

If people stopped complaining just because some people found it annoying, NOTHING would ever get changed in anything. I'm, sorry, but just because you're annoyed shouldn't change anything. Like it or not, customers have the right to keep their voice heard until their problems are fixed, not just talked about. Why do gamers think games should be so much different from any other consumer product?

[pavi132]

Purple People Eater wrote...

I agree. Enough is enough. Everyone has made their displeasure known, and I dont think ****ing anymore about it is going to make a bit of difference. Time to sit back, and wait patiently to see what Bioware does to clear things up.

The minute you let up is the minute they stop caring. You may not see the difference, but it's there.

[Drake-Shepard]

Lanay wrote...

Drake-Shepard wrote...

BW can make whatever they want. And charge what they want for it. I will make my choice to buy or not,

But they made certain promises and people are waiting for them to be for filled. There's a page of quotes. Its pretty obvious why some are angry.

I am not bothering to hold the line or anything but I appreciate the ones who are

Here is the page of quotes, by the way.  I don't think anyone's quieting down until they actually address some of this, instead of just saying 'we're listening' all the time.

cheers. appreciate it. maybe i am doing my bit to 'hold the line' by sharing my/your perspective to people that don't understand

[thebigbad1013]

pablosplinter wrote...

Respect for Bioware.....Ah yes, we have dismissed that claim

That list makes me sad every time I see it. It sounds so awesome....but then I remember the ending we actually got.

[Vromrig]

is getting annoying..

Call me a fanboy, but Bioware is one of few dev's i still deeply respect.


Much of you lack this respect big time.

Respect must be mutual. Deep respect had at launch. Fast waning. Silence creates difficulty.

Still have respect myself. But conditional. No one deserves respect. Must be earned. Ending issue must be resolved. Must have respect for own work and fans, otherwise undeserving of respect.

[CheeseEnchilada]

The wide majority of us do respect Bioware and love the series, which is why we're so upset. In every group of people who share an opinion, you'll have those who are disrespectful and go out of their way to antagonize, or who are extremists. It's been seen on both sides now, and as much as I wish it would, it's not about to go away. Discussion needs to stay civil and stick to constructive criticism, not flamebait and personal attacks.

And yes, there are a lot of threads about the ending. Ever been to a Lost fanpage after the series finale hit? For every one post about the parings or Christian, there were five wondering what just happened with the ending. It's a big deal for a lot of fans, and as there haven't been promising answers, people are going to keep asking. Could there be fewer threads on the matter? Yes. But until someone comes out and either admits they messed up or gives a solid plan on DLC, I don't see it going away.

[N7L4D]

Agree with op

[QuarianHIV]

Take a look at the OP and his supporters' posting history. They were never supporters of the change-ending movement.

Bullsh!it is bullsh!t. Yoo hoo! Is that you Walters?

[MPSai]

Being critical of the ending isn't a sign of disrespect. Hell, that we care enough to be so passionately critical is a good thing. We care about Bioware's artistic integrity, we care about the exceptional work we know they can do, which is why we care when we see their obvious talent and skill squandered like this.

[Drake-Shepard]

QuarianHIV wrote...

Take a look at the OP and his supporters' posting history. They were never supporters of the change-ending movement.

Bullsh!it is bullsh!t. Yoo hoo! Is that you Walters?

hahahah i just read your name...

thought thats rude...

then i got it...and start laughing...

thats good

[Powerpetzi]

Dusty Arne wrote...

is getting annoying..

Call me a fanboy, but Bioware is one of few dev's i still deeply respect.


Much of you lack this respect big time. For a Dev to chance their own game is a HUGE accomplisment. I still dont agree on it though. Bioware had this ending in mind, so it belongs to Mass Effect, now we will never know for sure if they had planned this. What they wanted to do later on this year with DLC. With every piece of DLC they will release now i will doubt this is truly a Bioware decision. 
 
I know i will not make friends with this post here, but i wanted to let Bioware know that there are still gamers that deeply respect, and accept their choices in what ever they planned to do in the Mass Effect Galaxy.

Just throwing this out there...


And to Bioware... Wonderfull job on the Mass Effect Trilogy, and remember, whining gamers only want the best for their game.

BioWare has my utmost respect as a developer and my deepest thanks for delivering the incredible game series that Mass Effect is.
However. Regardless of whether BioWare actually had these endings in mind, or whether they were slapped together in the last minute to get the game "done" for release date... The endings we are provided with at this time are a slap in the face to the franchise itself, and to the fans that invested into the series over the years.

If this is due to a rush job, it's unfortunate but forgivable if the matter gets rectified. If they did this on purpose, it's just mind boggling why the hell they would do such a thing.

Either way, we will continue to stand up for endings (plurale!) that are worthy of Mass Effect and BioWare.
Hold the line.