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[Vromrig]

MPSai wrote...

Being critical of the ending isn't a sign of disrespect. Hell, that we care enough to be so passionately critical is a good thing. We care about Bioware's artistic integrity, we care about the exceptional work we know they can do, which is why we care when we see their obvious talent and skill squandered like this.

Artistic integrity, false flag.  Made up term inapplicable to situation.  Diversion, mostly.

Should be disregarded.

[ZodiEmish]

MattFini wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

MattFini wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

People need to re-think of what being "a fan" means. If I was a developer I honestly would just stop listening to what anyone had to say, positive or negative, and just let the chips fall where they may. Nobody gets paid enough to take on this kind of crap.

And if you were a developer responsible for this terrible ending, and you failed to acknoweldge it, you might face long-term repercussions.  

And you know what? I'd gladly take those repercussions. Gladly.

If you guys were right, and you were the majority, and my product tanks, and my studio closes and I go bankrupt and I die homeless on the streets, I'd only have myself to blame. If you were wrong and you were a vocal minority, I'd be laughing all the way to the bank.

Either way, it would be on MY goddamned terms, not yours, the consumer. 

Well, hopefully BioWare has more good sense than you do.  

Won't amount to much if the Mass Effect brand goes into the toilet but they can sit around saying, "Hell yeah, we did it on our terms!  High five!"

I have to agree with this right here. That is a very silly stand point to do it on your terms when your a business.

Maybe I have my views because I grew up in business, and I know when you don't keep your consumers happy you lose money, and the word of mouth can be painful to a business. But  keeping your consumers happy is more important then doing it on your terms.

That's just silly. I am sorry to say that, but I just never open a business and learn this the hard way.

[Keltic]

From magazine article last year Bioware did mislead people on how this game would play out although in honesty i do feel this was all deliberate anyway and some form of ending dlc would have come out eventually anyway, When you sit back and look at this Bioware has got a fortune in free publicity out of the hold the line campaign across the net and even on some TV channels, Yes there were rabid trolls who hi jacked the peoples campaign for better endings but there were also rabid trolls on the opposite side of the argument as well.
Now we sit back and see what comes next in April and hopefully we get something that makes everyone happy. I for one do not condone the festering nastiness that lurks around the internet waiting for a wagon to jump on but i do believe i have a right to say what i think when i pay good money for an item and it disappoints.
To the majority of people on both sides of the argument and the guys who actually do the work at Bioware i say thank you for making the world an interesting place.

[sargon1986]

Respect... yeah lets talk about that...

1. Photoshopped Tali picture.
2. Stargazer scene being a ripoff of Wintersun album cover.
3. Ending of ME3 being a ripoff of Deux Ex ending.
4. Promises of a fulfilling, satisfying ending that will be affected by the choices you made in all 3 games.

Respect for the fans/customers? Nope.

Dont get me wrong, I like Bioware but the last 5 minutes of ME3 were an outrage. I consider myself a fanboy as well, that's why I CARE.

[sasasasue]

Purple People Eater wrote...

I agree. Enough is enough. Everyone has made their displeasure known, and I dont think ****ing anymore about it is going to make a bit of difference. Time to sit back, and wait patiently to see what Bioware does to clear things up.

Hear Hear!

I'll be honest, the ending felt a bit anti-climactic, but I doubt that ANY ending would be completely satisfactory for everyone.

I don't like the very last few minutes with the child, but for the other 25 hours of gameplay in ME3, and the HUNDREDS of hours of gameplay and fun I've got from Bioware outweigh the slight disappointment of the end.

Incidently, a flatmate of mine had no problem with the ending, and another friend had no problem with it either (He was more concerned with the lack of Miranda.).

Most fans are being very civil with all of this, and if you want to show your disapproval of the ending, it is well within your right, but there are the select few who have been rather horrible to members of Bioware, and it ruins the receptability of the Bioware team who DO want to listen to the fans.

To be honest, I'd have also quite liked to see what Bioware were planning for DLC before all of this (n Aria one seamed obvious.) but I guess we may never know now!!

[Coolfaec]

If you think it's annoying, then why the hell are you even reading the Bioware forums?

[BadlyBrowned]

Whining about whining is just as logical as why the Reapers keep killing people every 50,000 years.

Anyways, so that as I do not add to add. I would like to point out how Bioware *lied* to customers about what we can expect from the game. I will not believe anything until I can see it for my own eyes. 

Modifié par BadlyBrowned, 22 mars 2012 - 04:39 .

[Rockpopple]

MystaisPC wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

It's just mob mentality at this point. People blindly lashing out in anger and hate. Emphasis on the word "blindly".

I don't like the endings either, but this is ****ing ridiculous.

It's like the DA2 fiasco. I thought that was when the "fandom" showed their true colors, but this puts that nonsense to shame.

People need to re-think of what being "a fan" means. If I was a developer I honestly would just stop listening to what anyone had to say, positive or negative, and just let the chips fall where they may. Nobody gets paid enough to take on this kind of crap.

So 'fan' to you means just take what you are given and just deal with it... after paying for it, of course?

An unhappy customer doing nothing only leads to nothing being done.  Get it?  If we are such a minority then why does Bioware even care?  They already have our money.

No, a real 'fan' is someone who hates something they claim to love, want to destroy the developer who created what they claim to love, and try to literally ruin any chance of success what they claim to love has, because one small aspect of what they claim to love makes them mad.

That's a real fan.

[Drake-Shepard]

Keltic101 wrote...

From magazine article last year Bioware did mislead people on how this game would play out although in honesty i do feel this was all deliberate anyway and some form of ending dlc would have come out eventually anyway, When you sit back and look at this Bioware has got a fortune in free publicity out of the hold the line campaign across the net and even on some TV channels, Yes there were rabid trolls who hi jacked the peoples campaign for better endings but there were also rabid trolls on the opposite side of the argument as well.
Now we sit back and see what comes next in April and hopefully we get something that makes everyone happy. I for one do not condone the festering nastiness that lurks around the internet waiting for a wagon to jump on but i do believe i have a right to say what i think when i pay good money for an item and it disappoints.
To the majority of people on both sides of the argument and the guys who actually do the work at Bioware i say thank you for making the world an interesting place.

im am hoping for the same. Some sort of epic indoc (hopfully true) ending conclusion ;

But then i thought if you buy a car that runs at 100mph
But when you try to reach 100mph you find out it runs at 80mph
You ask the manufacturer..and they give you cryptic messages...
And you sit around hoping that some sort of 'free upgrade' comes along and gives you the extr 20mph that was advertised. You would be pisssssssssed 

[Kuari999]

sargon1986 wrote...

Respect... yeah lets talk about that...

1. Photoshopped Tali picture.
2. Stargazer scene being a ripoff of Wintersun album cover.
3. Ending of ME3 being a ripoff of Deux Ex ending.
4. Promises of a fulfilling, satisfying ending that will be affected by the choices you made in all 3 games.

Respect for the fans/customers? Nope.

Dont get me wrong, I like Bioware but the last 5 minutes of ME3 were an outrage. I consider myself a fanboy as well, that's why I CARE.

Hell, I didn't even pay Tali's pic much mind until I found it was a photoshopped stock photo...  then I noticed all the flaws.  Honestly though, point 4 is the big one for me.  I never thought BioWare of all companies would join my **** list along with Blizzard and Ubisoft, but they are getting damn close and probably will be on it if whatever they do isn't what was advertised and promised prior to release of this game.  Or if they make us pay for it...

Modifié par Kuari999, 22 mars 2012 - 04:40 .

[Heather Cline]

Actually there was a leaked ending that was different from the ending we got. But because it was leaked Bioware changed it last minute. This was not the planned ending. We were promised 16 very different and varying endings. We didn't even get that what so ever. So saying that it was planned is a lie. Have a nice day.

[Sesshaku]

Sal86 wrote...

To be honest, today, I have seen far more posts complaining about the complaining than *actual* complaint posts.....

This, i don't see much change in our original complaints.
In fact, now we are just discussing and waiting until PAX to get some news.
We didn't make anything scandalous.

Modifié par Sesshaku, 22 mars 2012 - 04:41 .

[gudman]

Hm... it's annoying to YOU, and that's why all of US should stop right here and denounce all we have been standing for for so long.


How about no?

[betd2]

We cannot give up yet.  Why?  Becasue we have not won.  all we got from Bioware is a firm "We'll look into it"
which could mean anything.  They are STILL stalling.  Still hoping this blows over and they don't have to do anything.
Do NOT buy it. Keep Holding The Line.

[thebigbad1013]

Okay can we PLEASE not get into the whole "real fan" thing? Cause that is just....ya.

[Mitra]

I don't like aggressive individuals.
I'm civil and love to get to the point.
I take my right to state my mind just like everybody.
I'm a bit sarcastic sometimes, love to be funny sometimes, but love to be serious sometimes.
But most of all, I'm alive being.
Who ever thinks I'm stupid, well, that is his own problem. I don't call other people stupid or whiny or something like that because my default nature is different.
I was harassed by that so called ending and yes, if I have a right to voice my opinion, I will.

But people who are giving other people bad names just because that is the only way that they can communicate (obviously), they should really go to learn somewhere some main steps of civil conduct. Uncivil and by default arrogant people I don't like and they are pretty fast forgotten by me. Simple as that.

[sargon1986]

Kuari999 wrote...

Hell, I didn't even pay Tali's pic much mind until I found it was a photoshopped stock photo...  then I noticed all the flaws.  Honestly though, point 4 is the big one for me.  I never thought BioWare of all companies would join my **** list along with Blizzard and Ubisoft, but they are getting damn close and probably will be on it if whatever they do isn't what was advertised and promised prior to release of this game.  Or if they make us pay for it...

Honestly I would've forgiven them everything except point 4... This has to change.

Some people see us as haters. We are not haters, we are gamers that care about their game.

[Vikali]

bigbad1013 wrote...

Okay can we PLEASE not get into the whole "real fan" thing? Cause that is just....ya.

But didn't you know? Hold the Liners are the real true fans.

I'm starting my new criteria of unless you red the books and comics and are a aprt of an EU community, you aren't a fan. Amidoingitright?

[Rockpopple]

By the way... all you.... people talking about how BioWare is a business and they should do sensible business things, which is why they should listen to the fans and change their endings!

You know what else is a sensible business decision? DLC. You know what's a REALLY sensible business decision? Removing or blocking access to stuff ON DISC so they can sell it back to you AGAIN as DLC.

Because until the price of DLC goes up to a point where people refuse to buy DLC, people have proven that they will buy DLC up to almost any point.

So a developer not changing their endings for the fans = not smart business = Fans mad.
A developer blocking access to content to sell later as DLC = smart business = Fans mad.

Yup. Message received. Loud and Clear.

[CheeseEnchilada]

Heather Cline wrote...

Actually there was a leaked ending that was different from the ending we got. But because it was leaked Bioware changed it last minute. This was not the planned ending. We were promised 16 very different and varying endings. We didn't even get that what so ever. So saying that it was planned is a lie. Have a nice day.

Well, it wasn't that different. It still had the three options to choose from, and was a lot more vague. No signs of the Normandy crashing, and the mass relays didn't blow up in every option. But yeah, this was clearly planned. It's only now that we see it in action that all of the problems with the plot and themes come to a head.

[Billabong2011]

Your feelings are sound in terms of psychological logic, but this is capitalism, and should we go silent now, we would never have a chance of being heard by the big corporation. Welcome to democracy.

[BlueChildren]

Agreed with OP

[Gibb_Shepard]

Rockpopple wrote...

It's just mob mentality at this point. People blindly lashing out in anger and hate. Emphasis on the word "blindly".

I don't like the endings either, but this is ****ing ridiculous.

It's like the DA2 fiasco. I thought that was when the "fandom" showed their true colors, but this puts that nonsense to shame.
If I was a developer I honestly would just stop listening to what anyone had to say, positive or negative, and just let the chips fall where they may. 

You'd go bankrupt in a flash.

Bioware have a hard on for DLC, and as it stands, i can guarantee you that their DLC sales are going to plummett. 

[Vromrig]

Billabong2011 wrote...

Your feelings are sound in terms of psychological logic, but this is capitalism, and should we go silent now, we would never have a chance of being heard by the big corporation. Welcome to democracy.

Political statement divisive.  Unnecessary.  Creates rift in movement.  Loyalties often to own personal feelings over movement.  Should not bring up, threatens associations.  Could damage ending.

Hold the line.  All that bravado.

[Vikali]

Billabong2011 wrote...

Your feelings are sound in terms of psychological logic, but this is capitalism, and should we go silent now, we would never have a chance of being heard by the big corporation. Welcome to democracy.

It's not a matter of silence as it is civility and general respect. And not for the company either. I'm sorry but when topics are created and immediately a 'Liner' comes in to derail it because they're mad about the endings, it gets tired. When Liners fight not only their peers, but each other because it's a matter of he who yells loudest is right, it gets annoying. And not to mention spammy.

Modifié par Vikali, 22 mars 2012 - 04:49 .