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[ObsidianAgent]

The very fact of the community's diversity is what should have necessitated multiple endings. BioWare could not possibly have made everyone happy with just one ending but that's all we got. If player actions could be mapped to consequences that figured into the endings then, even if the outcome was utter defeat, many more would have accepted the endings. But they weren't. The only thing that matters at the end is what Effective Military Strength score you have and that only affects the colour of space magic.

[Eire Icon]

Skirata129 wrote...

I'm sorry, what's getting ridiculous? until they address our concerns with out all the PR spin, hold the line.

and to hell with everyone else who uses these forums or has a differing view in the meantime yes ?

[Vromrig]

Vikali wrote...

Billabong2011 wrote...

Your feelings are sound in terms of psychological logic, but this is capitalism, and should we go silent now, we would never have a chance of being heard by the big corporation. Welcome to democracy.

It's not a matter of silence as it is civility and general respect. And not for the company either. I'm sorry but when topics are created and immediated a 'Liner' comes in to derail it because they're mad about the endings, it gets tired. When Liners fight not only their peers, but each other because it's a matter of he who yells loudest is right, it gets annoying. And not to mention spammy.

Discord exaggerated.  Isolated cases of overly zealous Retake supporter.

Not common.  Also, not unexpected.

[TheBandit554]

I completely agree. While the endings weren't to my taste, I think that this "RetakeME3" campaign is utterly ridiculous. Who gave them the right to treat Bioware like this?

I didn't take the end popup screen as a slap to the face, I took it as "Hey man, thanks for sticking with us for 5 years! We're definitely creating more content for you to enjoy! Good Luck in all your ventures!" And I was like, "GREAT! I'm going to go look up the alternate endings now." What did I find? Endings that, yes, were suspiciously alike, but even worse, a start of a movement that has taken over BSN, IGN, GameSpot, and has even made it to CNN.

Well, all I can say is that I was always taught not to bite the hand that feeds you. Try patience guys, we might just get answers and more content. Closure, if you want to call it that.

I'll hold the line, but I'll hold it on Bioware's side just like DA2

[Vromrig]

Eire Icon wrote...

Skirata129 wrote...

I'm sorry, what's getting ridiculous? until they address our concerns with out all the PR spin, hold the line.

and to hell with everyone else who uses these forums or has a differing view in the meantime yes ?

Differing view irrelevant.  If popular view, topic will stay on front page.  Right to have view not guarantee to have front page display of view.

How message board always works.

I completely agree. While the endings weren't to my taste, I think that this "RetakeME3" campaign is utterly ridiculous. Who gave them the right to treat Bioware like this?  

Right always existed to voice opinion.  Deplorable to think someone thoguht otherwise.

"Treat like this" hyperbole, however.  Nothing poor done to Bioware.

Asking appreciation be shown?  Not likely.  Appreciation only by people who appreciate.  No appreciation for ending.

Modifié par Vromrig, 22 mars 2012 - 04:50 .

[sasasasue]

I wonder how many similar arguements are happening on other boards.

[Kuari999]

sargon1986 wrote...

Kuari999 wrote...

Hell, I didn't even pay Tali's pic much mind until I found it was a photoshopped stock photo...  then I noticed all the flaws.  Honestly though, point 4 is the big one for me.  I never thought BioWare of all companies would join my **** list along with Blizzard and Ubisoft, but they are getting damn close and probably will be on it if whatever they do isn't what was advertised and promised prior to release of this game.  Or if they make us pay for it...

Honestly I would've forgiven them everything except point 4... This has to change.

Some people see us as haters. We are not haters, we are gamers that care about their game.

Yeah, I mean...  I've been a gamer for...  20 years, and honestly?  Never have I been this ticked off and depressed about a game.  I mean, had I been a bit younger and less mature and had a physical copy of the game, I probably would have broke the disk in half in anger.  At how my favorite company, the one that I honestly hoped to work for one day, not only broke all their promises, but wrote quite frankly the ****tiest ending in all video game history.  I can not think of one video game ending that had more plot holes, more insulting logic or more betrayal in it.

[Vikali]

Vromrig wrote...

Vikali wrote...

Billabong2011 wrote...

Your feelings are sound in terms of psychological logic, but this is capitalism, and should we go silent now, we would never have a chance of being heard by the big corporation. Welcome to democracy.

It's not a matter of silence as it is civility and general respect. And not for the company either. I'm sorry but when topics are created and immediated a 'Liner' comes in to derail it because they're mad about the endings, it gets tired. When Liners fight not only their peers, but each other because it's a matter of he who yells loudest is right, it gets annoying. And not to mention spammy.

Discord exaggerated.  Isolated cases of overly zealous Retake supporter.

Not common.  Also, not unexpected.

Quite common, actually.

[DaringMoosejaw]

Rockpopple wrote...

By the way... all you.... people talking about how BioWare is a business and they should do sensible business things, which is why they should listen to the fans and change their endings!

You know what else is a sensible business decision? DLC. You know what's a REALLY sensible business decision? Removing or blocking access to stuff ON DISC so they can sell it back to you AGAIN as DLC.

Because until the price of DLC goes up to a point where people refuse to buy DLC, people have proven that they will buy DLC up to almost any point.

So a developer not changing their endings for the fans = not smart business = Fans mad.
A developer blocking access to content to sell later as DLC = smart business = Fans mad.

Yup. Message received. Loud and Clear.

Something is worth precisely what people will pay for it. There is no law stating that games have to be worth 60 bucks. Distribution is changing, and they will sell for what people will pay for it and how they will pay for it.

[czombie]

I still respect BioWare but I wonder how much EA is affecting their development philosophy and choices at the moment, after both DAII and now this kind of ending with limited options.

[Vromrig]

Quite common, actually.

Monitor threads closely. Most remain organic, flow naturally. Very rarely see interference.

Few times, individuals worthy of being chastised.

[Billabong2011]

Vikali wrote...

Billabong2011 wrote...

Your feelings are sound in terms of psychological logic, but this is capitalism, and should we go silent now, we would never have a chance of being heard by the big corporation. Welcome to democracy.

It's not a matter of silence as it is civility and general respect. And not for the company either. I'm sorry but when topics are created and immediately a 'Liner' comes in to derail it because they're mad about the endings, it gets tired. When Liners fight not only their peers, but each other because it's a matter of he who yells loudest is right, it gets annoying. And not to mention spammy.

I agree with you, but that's not the point the OP was making, or at least, judging by his language, it did not seem to be the case.

[gudman]

I don't get it. So people should just swallow all the lies that BioWare thrown at us during their advertisement. Just because... THEY GAVE YOU THE PRIVILEGE TO PLAYE THEIR MASTERPIECE!

No. BioWare is a developer company. I have bought their product. I am displeased by their false advertisement. Hence I'm angry and am going to HURT them right in their wallets, and I don't give one sole f**k how they feel about it.

[sasasasue]

TheBandit554 wrote...

Well, all I can say is that I was always taught not to bite the hand that feeds you. Try patience guys, we might just get answers and more content. Closure, if you want to call it that.

I'll hold the line, but I'll hold it on Bioware's side just like DA2

^This.

[DaringMoosejaw]

TheBandit554 wrote...

I completely agree. While the endings weren't to my taste, I think that this "RetakeME3" campaign is utterly ridiculous. Who gave them the right to treat Bioware like this?

Free expression. It's the same right that prevents anyone from FORCING Bioware to do anything, but gives people the right to make their dissatisfaction known. Which is exactly what they're doing.

[Vikali]

Vromrig wrote...

Quite common, actually.

Monitor threads closely. Most remain organic, flow naturally. Very rarely see interference.

Few times, individuals worthy of being chastised.

It's easy to not notice people you agree with acting irrationally.

Diablos255, or whatever is name is, is one of your loudest poster children. Yell loud, insult anyone who isn't of the same mind, and remain blissfully ignorant of inappropriate behavior.

Modifié par Vikali, 22 mars 2012 - 04:53 .

[thebigbad1013]

TheBandit554 wrote...

I completely agree. While the endings weren't to my taste, I think that this "RetakeME3" campaign is utterly ridiculous. Who gave them the right to treat Bioware like this?

We bought and played their games, that gives us every right to give them our feedback, especially considering that BioWare themselves are asking for it. We are not "treating" BioWare like well, anything. We simply have concerns regarding the ending and we are voicing them.

[quiksilver723]

I'm with you too, we need to Retake the Retake movement and get back to some civility. I'm holding my line.

[sasasasue]

czombie wrote...

I still respect BioWare but I wonder how much EA is affecting their development philosophy and choices at the moment, after both DAII and now this kind of ending with limited options.

Do you know at what point EA actually took up everything Bioware? This is quite a point, and I hadn't realised it.

[Vigil_N7]

Bioware has mine, yours, and millions of other people's money. They do not need our respect, however they do need our custom.

If they fix this, then maybe that will be restored, but at the moment this is only going to cost bioware money.

[quiksilver723]

gudman wrote...

I don't get it. So people should just swallow all the lies that BioWare thrown at us during their advertisement. Just because... THEY GAVE YOU THE PRIVILEGE TO PLAYE THEIR MASTERPIECE!

No. BioWare is a developer company. I have bought their product. I am displeased by their false advertisement. Hence I'm angry and am going to HURT them right in their wallets, and I don't give one sole f**k how they feel about it.

Then don't expect them to give a damn about you.  You attract more bees with honey than vinegar.

[Vromrig]

It's easy to not notice people you agree with acting irrationally.

Diablos255, or whatever is name is, is one of your loudest poster children. Yell loud, insult anyone who isn't of the same mind, and remain blissfully ignorant of inappropriate behavior

Credit not being given where credit is due. Actively chastise individuals who are unable to remain civil.

However, often times not lined up quite as being presented. Often times Cavscout ridiculing, starting flame war.

Not uncommon unfortunately. Retake Mass Effect, mostly civil...horrible at resisting bait.

Very sad. Much like fish.

[TheBandit554]

czombie wrote...

I still respect BioWare but I wonder how much EA is affecting their development philosophy and choices at the moment, after both DAII and now this kind of ending with limited options.

I think that's a BIG understanding for most people, EA has almost no say/control over the development or creation of a game. They are the liscenser and publisher, their job is to distribute, not to create. No, Bioware made every desicion except for the budget and deadline because that is set by EA. Otherwise, it is all Bioware, haven't you seen EA's responses and actions? They have been overriding Bioware in some cases, look it up, I guarantee you'll find it.

[Vikali]

Vromrig wrote...

It's easy to not notice people you agree with acting irrationally.

Diablos255, or whatever is name is, is one of your loudest poster children. Yell loud, insult anyone who isn't of the same mind, and remain blissfully ignorant of inappropriate behavior

Credit not being given where credit is due. Actively chastise individuals who are unable to remain civil.

However, often times not lined up quite as being presented. Often times Cavscout ridiculing, starting flame war.

Not uncommon unfortunately. Retake Mass Effect, mostly civil...horrible at resisting bait.

Very sad. Much like fish.

On the contrary. I defend your people who remain civil to great lengths. And I am active in the theory discussions as well and offer points from both ends. I'm totally neutral. Needless to say, that doesn't mean you should downplay what is a large population of rude and arrogant people.

Modifié par Vikali, 22 mars 2012 - 04:58 .

[Heather Cline]

Regarding the potential for DLC most fans of the series who hate the endings won't touch DLC from them and DLC is a huge chunk of change for them because pricing between 5-10 dollars a pop for just story DLC alone is a lot of money from hundreds of thousands of fans. Then there is of course the alternate appearance packs, new armor packs, new weapons packs and then the MP DLC of course. They will lose more money if they really don't take to heart that many of us hate the endings.

Yes there are those who love the endings, so if they love them then they love them. I however hate them and refuse to buy anything from Bioware in the future including DLC if this isn't fixed and fixed right giving us the actual 16 different endings we were promised.