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[TheBandit554]

gudman wrote...

I don't get it. So people should just swallow all the lies that BioWare thrown at us during their advertisement. Just because... THEY GAVE YOU THE PRIVILEGE TO PLAYE THEIR MASTERPIECE!

No. BioWare is a developer company. I have bought their product. I am displeased by their false advertisement. Hence I'm angry and am going to HURT them right in their wallets, and I don't give one sole f**k how they feel about it.

What false advertising? That "advertising" was interviews form early and mid-development. Rough draft, not final. Things can change due to budget and time, then the cut things become DLC

[Ultra Prism]

They lied to us about WILDLY different endings ... except we get our choice of color and nonsensical conclusion and Joker fleeing out of the blue ... Really. They were the only company I really respected until the ending of ME3 ... before I believe Crytek which screwed console mulitplayer of Crysis 2 ... bungie got boring with gameplay .... epic games boring with gears of war ... Bioware was my inspiration that I should work in game development and at same time, it is reminder of you ****** fans off ... you will play the price dearly

until then

Hold the line

[Kuari999]

TheBandit554 wrote...

gudman wrote...

I don't get it. So people should just swallow all the lies that BioWare thrown at us during their advertisement. Just because... THEY GAVE YOU THE PRIVILEGE TO PLAYE THEIR MASTERPIECE!

No. BioWare is a developer company. I have bought their product. I am displeased by their false advertisement. Hence I'm angry and am going to HURT them right in their wallets, and I don't give one sole f**k how they feel about it.

What false advertising? That "advertising" was interviews form early and mid-development. Rough draft, not final. Things can change due to budget and time, then the cut things become DLC

Some of those quotes are from this January.  At that point they should have a good idea on how things are going to end up.

[ericjdev]

I'm impressed with Bioware's most recent statement and I'm happy with them, I know a lot of my comrades in the movement aren't and remain suspicious and unsatisifed. I think that's fine as long as everyone remembers to remain civil. Insulting or attacking the devs is not OK and we hurt ourselves by being demanding and rude. I was embarassed by some folks behavior yesterday but today it seems pretty calm. No victory without patience.

[Vromrig]

On the contrary. I defend your people who remain civil to great lengths. And I am active in the theory discussions as well and offer points from both ends. I'm totally neutral. Needless to say, that doesn't mean you should downplay what is a large population of rude and arrogant people.

Don't downplay, put into perspective.

Statistically small proportion of posters uncivil or rude. Those that are, quickly turned on. Particularly by myself.

More often plant, however. Individual claiming to be Retake Mass Effect. Would rather enjoy watching controversy.

Frustrates everyone.

[gudman]

quiksilver723 wrote...

Then don't expect them to give a damn about you.  You attract more bees with honey than vinegar.

Why would I want to "attract" them when I can just make them listen if I scream loud enough, and I'm backed up with thousands of other people? I repeat, I don't give a damn about how they like me or not. We're paying thir salary. And we can stop doing it if they go too far in lying right in our faces. 

[Clayless]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH!! LETS DRILL THIS ON FOREVER I HATE BIOWARE I'M A FAN WAAAAAAAAH!!! HOLD THE LINE!!

It's like the statements aren't enough, Bioware needs to do something instantly to appease these fans.

[Titan_HQ]

Epsilon330 wrote...

Skirata129 wrote...

I'm sorry, what's getting ridiculous? until they address our concerns with out all the PR spin, hold the line.

How about reporting them to external managing companies like the BBB, and threatening to tell George Lucas and Steven Spielberg etc. to try and get them to join your "cause"?
You die-hard "Line-Holders" are only diminishing your chances of rectification, and muddying the reputation of your group. Don't directly weaken BioWare, do something constructive; like the Child's Play Charity donations.

Should I remind you that these people taking extreme actions have been denounced by the Retake movement, which make up the backbone of the "line-holders"
You are using examples of extremist persons not affiliated with the majority to demonise the majority.

[TheBandit554]

bigbad1013 wrote...

TheBandit554 wrote...

I completely agree. While the endings weren't to my taste, I think that this "RetakeME3" campaign is utterly ridiculous. Who gave them the right to treat Bioware like this?

We bought and played their games, that gives us every right to give them our feedback, especially considering that BioWare themselves are asking for it. We are not "treating" BioWare like well, anything. We simply have concerns regarding the ending and we are voicing them.

Try "voicing" your concerns without using charities as a coverup and lessen the vitriol and pitfire coming out of most of your mouths, then come talk to us Bioware supporters. Even though some are not being uncivil, many that claim to be "civil" and/or "simply expressing their concern" are not doing so in a fair or polite manner.

[Dusty Arne]

Lol. Guess i bullseye'd many of you right in your weakspot.

[Murkman4683]

I back up the OP too. Bioware will give word in April, sit back and relax, enjoy the ride, you successfully destoryed the future of DLC for ME3. Also this forum is strictly for story and campaign discussion, most of what I see is not even game related, just self-righteous gamers talking about themselves.

[AwesomeDudex64]

Try not to generalize us. The majority of the movement is civil so try to keep that in mind.

Modifié par AwesomeDudex64, 22 mars 2012 - 05:04 .

[DAMASCUS_MAXIMUS]

Vromrig wrote...

Eire Icon wrote...

Skirata129 wrote...

I'm sorry, what's getting ridiculous? until they address our concerns with out all the PR spin, hold the line.

and to hell with everyone else who uses these forums or has a differing view in the meantime yes ?

Differing view irrelevant.  If popular view, topic will stay on front page.  Right to have view not guarantee to have front page display of view.

How message board always works.

I completely agree. While the endings weren't to my taste, I think that this "RetakeME3" campaign is utterly ridiculous. Who gave them the right to treat Bioware like this?  

Right always existed to voice opinion.  Deplorable to think someone thoguht otherwise.

"Treat like this" hyperbole, however.  Nothing poor done to Bioware.

Asking appreciation be shown?  Not likely.  Appreciation only by people who appreciate.  No appreciation for ending.

Dude, you not only talk like a Salarian, but you are also just as logical as well!  You rock!

[joiner87]

Looks like we have uncivil people in the support camp as well, you need to look at your own actions before you comment on others

[Vikali]

Vromrig wrote...

On the contrary. I defend your people who remain civil to great lengths. And I am active in the theory discussions as well and offer points from both ends. I'm totally neutral. Needless to say, that doesn't mean you should downplay what is a large population of rude and arrogant people.

Don't downplay, put into perspective.

Statistically small proportion of posters uncivil or rude. Those that are, quickly turned on. Particularly by myself.

More often plant, however. Individual claiming to be Retake Mass Effect. Would rather enjoy watching controversy.

Frustrates everyone.

Like I said, you're seeing it from a biased eye. And it doesn't help your group some people that ssociate it are the 'my theory is the only theory that works' group. And it expands well off of these threads into Retake people even spoiling in th e non spoiler sections, derailing discussions in the actual gameplay forums, and all around branching out from this particular environment.

I don't know how you even have 'statistical' data to rely on.

[Eire Icon]

My two cents:

Eire Icon wrote...

Many in the "Retake movement" have been a credit to themselves and this forum, offering constructive criticism, possible solutions etc to an issue they are clearly passionate about. They act with consideration towards their fellow community members and actively try and ensure emotions are kept in check. I applaud these people, Bioware are lucky to have them, regardless of their current differences in opinion with them

There are others however who are rude, aggressive, arrogant, and condescending towards anyone who does not share their opinion. Anything said by Bioware is analyzed, dismissed, and twisted into something else. Some of the patronizing posts I've seen directed at staff members and other forum members have left me speechless. People telling them how to their jobs, what they are thinking, what their motivations are, what they meant in a particular post. They demand respect, yet offer nothing back in return

These people are hindering the retake movement not helping them.

Honestly I didn't hate the ending, I didn't even dislike it but I did think it was incomplete and didn't give the player closure for a wonderful journey that took us 5 years to make. If Bioware were to add content to it, giving me more closure on the Shepard arc I would be delighted, the more the better I say

However there is now a part of me that is starting to think maybe it would be better if they did not. The idea that the latter group of people who insulted, patronized and abused people, will somehow feel that their behavior is justified or vindicated by the decision to make changes to the ending quite frankly makes me sick

[Hunter_Wolf]

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

By the way... all you.... people talking about how BioWare is a business and they should do sensible business things, which is why they should listen to the fans and change their endings!

You know what else is a sensible business decision? DLC. You know what's a REALLY sensible business decision? Removing or blocking access to stuff ON DISC so they can sell it back to you AGAIN as DLC.

Because until the price of DLC goes up to a point where people refuse to buy DLC, people have proven that they will buy DLC up to almost any point.

So a developer not changing their endings for the fans = not smart business = Fans mad.
A developer blocking access to content to sell later as DLC = smart business = Fans mad.

Yup. Message received. Loud and Clear.

Something is worth precisely what people will pay for it. There is no law stating that games have to be worth 60 bucks. Distribution is changing, and they will sell for what people will pay for it and how they will pay for it.

And that is the unfortunate dirt of the industry. This is why Guitar Hero and other familiar products are failing because people aren't buying it anymore. Meanwhile games do  fine because as a consumer trying to complete the experience, you continue to buy into their marketing practice. It's just unfortunate that something as real as this has to occur with such a beloved franchise. 

[Vromrig]

Try "voicing" your concerns without using charities as a coverup and lessen the vitriol and pitfire coming out of most of your mouths, then come talk to us Bioware supporters. Even though some are not being uncivil, many that claim to be "civil" and/or "simply expressing their concern" are not doing so in a fair or polite manner.

Once more, disingenuous.

Appears obvious more angry at protest, rather than manner of protest. Data doesn't support thesis.

Charity perfectly acceptable manner to raise awareness. Does good, while also putting monetary value on outrage.

[Blind2Society]

Dusty Arne wrote...
First you guys had a point regarding the ending.. But now,

What, what happened? Did they change the ending while no one was looking?

[gudman]

Dusty Arne wrote...

Lol. Guess i bullseye'd many of you right in your weakspot.

Our weak spot is other's people stupidity - we hate it with passion. So I guess there's nothing for you to be proud of. 

[Vikali]

Eire Icon wrote...

My two cents:

Eire Icon wrote...

Many in the "Retake movement" have been a credit to themselves and this forum, offering constructive criticism, possible solutions etc to an issue they are clearly passionate about. They act with consideration towards their fellow community members and actively try and ensure emotions are kept in check. I applaud these people, Bioware are lucky to have them, regardless of their current differences in opinion with them

There are others however who are rude, aggressive, arrogant, and condescending towards anyone who does not share their opinion. Anything said by Bioware is analyzed, dismissed, and twisted into something else. Some of the patronizing posts I've seen directed at staff members and other forum members have left me speechless. People telling them how to their jobs, what they are thinking, what their motivations are, what they meant in a particular post. They demand respect, yet offer nothing back in return

These people are hindering the retake movement not helping them.

Honestly I didn't hate the ending, I didn't even dislike it but I did think it was incomplete and didn't give the player closure for a wonderful journey that took us 5 years to make. If Bioware were to add content to it, giving me more closure on the Shepard arc I would be delighted, the more the better I say

However there is now a part of me that is starting to think maybe it would be better if they did not. The idea that the latter group of people who insulted, patronized and abused people, will somehow feel that their behavior is justified or vindicated by the decision to make changes to the ending quite frankly makes me sick

[alx119]

And -I- I'm getting tired of people defending BioWare. BioWare is a big company, it does -not- need defending from anyone. Their actions speaks for themselves, if they felt the need to really do something about it, they'd close the forums, or better yet, they'd adress the issue. We're all adults here.

[thebigbad1013]

TheBandit554 wrote...

bigbad1013 wrote...

TheBandit554 wrote...

I completely agree. While the endings weren't to my taste, I think that this "RetakeME3" campaign is utterly ridiculous. Who gave them the right to treat Bioware like this?

We bought and played their games, that gives us every right to give them our feedback, especially considering that BioWare themselves are asking for it. We are not "treating" BioWare like well, anything. We simply have concerns regarding the ending and we are voicing them.

Try "voicing" your concerns without using charities as a coverup and lessen the vitriol and pitfire coming out of most of your mouths, then come talk to us Bioware supporters. Even though some are not being uncivil, many that claim to be "civil" and/or "simply expressing their concern" are not doing so in a fair or polite manner.

As it just so happens I'm a big time BioWare fan, why else would I be here? I have also always been nothing but civil when posting on these forums and I have every intention of continuing to be so. Are there people who take it too far? Sure, but I'm not responsible for them and neither are anyone else and they are NOT the majority. Finally, you did NOT just complain about money being raised for charity, did you?

[KerrJMF]

Both "sides" have loud, antagonizers. When someone from our RetakeME3 movement acts in an uncivil manner, the vast majority of the movement members shut him or her down immediately. Most of us are rational individuals with valid grievances (or you may not agree, which is fine as well) with the ending(s). Bioware has the right to ignore us. You have the right to disagree with us. But please afford us the same respect.