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[Vikali]

Vromrig wrote...

This made me laugh.

It's more that fecal matter is spread out in random locations but all stringing together throughout the filling of the sandwich. The whole thing isn't poop and it has quality meat somewhere.

Analogy meant only to encompass ending. Conclusion.

Fine dining up to that point.

Disappointing that appetizers were excellent. Entree was fecal sandwich. Would have liked ham.

I disagree. I think if they can make sense of everything (though the Normandy crash is my biggest beef of anything and don't know how it an be explained) I think it'll do well. For example, I don't need Shepard to live. I don't care if the whole fleet dies, and I;m happy the relays exploded because through descruction, there was born the opportunity for creation. The normandy scene is actually something I really fail to see working, and I thin it was put in there as fanservice to begin with. 

Primary issue with ending not focused on unanswered questions, rather introduction of questions, characters, contradicting plot points.

Finale of series, particularly final scene, should use only pre-established characters, plot, threads.

Never introduction of new ideas.  Poor literary choice, obvious flaw.

Would be rejected by editor.

I don't disagree with you .But that doesn't mean they cannot answer questions. Some things may end up having to be retconned. We just don't know. There's no reason to dismiss their efforts before even seeing is my point, and talking about 'what should have' happened is irrelevant to me. What's done is done, let them try and remedy it.

Modifié par Vikali, 22 mars 2012 - 05:36 .

[quiksilver723]

Vromrig wrote...

This made me laugh.

It's more that fecal matter is spread out in random locations but all stringing together throughout the filling of the sandwich. The whole thing isn't poop and it has quality meat somewhere.

Analogy meant only to encompass ending. Conclusion.

Fine dining up to that point.

Disappointing that appetizers were excellent. Entree was fecal sandwich. Would have liked ham.

I disagree. I think if they can make sense of everything (though the Normandy crash is my biggest beef of anything and don't know how it an be explained) I think it'll do well. For example, I don't need Shepard to live. I don't care if the whole fleet dies, and I;m happy the relays exploded because through descruction, there was born the opportunity for creation. The normandy scene is actually something I really fail to see working, and I thin it was put in there as fanservice to begin with. 

Primary issue with ending not focused on unanswered questions, rather introduction of questions, characters, contradicting plot points.

Finale of series, particularly final scene, should use only pre-established characters, plot, threads.

Never introduction of new ideas.  Poor literary choice, obvious flaw.

Would be rejected by editor.

I can't help it everytime I read your posts Mordin's voice is what comes through in my head.  That's probably intended I'd guess, lol.

[gudman]

quiksilver723 wrote...

It just happened in this thread:

gudman wrote...

I don't get it. So people should just swallow all the lies that BioWare thrown at us during their advertisement. Just because... THEY GAVE YOU THE PRIVILEGE TO PLAYE THEIR MASTERPIECE!

No. BioWare is a developer company. I have bought their product. I am displeased by their false advertisement. Hence I'm angry and am going to HURT them right in their wallets, and I don't give one sole f**k how they feel about it.

Sure they made misleading statements, but I'd consider this an attack of sorts by outright calling them liars and not giving a **** about how they feel.  I just hate this sorta thing.  I just wish it could be toned down a bit.

I actually picked this tone in speaking with OP. Not with BioWare. If I were to represent the movement, I would take my best at dimplomacy, I assure you. I was outraged by OPs claims. Now I feel... like I overreacted a bit. 

Modifié par gudman, 22 mars 2012 - 05:36 .

[Vromrig]

I don't disagree with you .But that doesn't mean they cannot answer questions. Some things may end up having to be retconned. We just don't know. There's no reason to dismiss their efforts before even seeing is my point, and talking about 'what should have' happened is irrelevant to me. What's done is done, let them try and remedy it.

Not undermining, clarifying. Driving home importance of pressure that must be kept.

If Bioware hopes to end movement by showing us different camera angle of ending, answering how squad got on Normandy to crash land, anger will remain.

Disappointment not in "how" this happened, but "that".

Want Bioware to understand feedback. Important issue.

Would hate to hate company.

[Vikali]

gudman wrote...

quiksilver723 wrote...

It just happened in this thread:

gudman wrote...

I don't get it. So people should just swallow all the lies that BioWare thrown at us during their advertisement. Just because... THEY GAVE YOU THE PRIVILEGE TO PLAYE THEIR MASTERPIECE!

No. BioWare is a developer company. I have bought their product. I am displeased by their false advertisement. Hence I'm angry and am going to HURT them right in their wallets, and I don't give one sole f**k how they feel about it.

Sure they made misleading statements, but I'd consider this an attack of sorts by outright calling them liars and not giving a **** about how they feel.  I just hate this sorta thing.  I just wish it could be toned down a bit.

I actually picked this tone in speaking with OP. Not with BioWare. If I were to represent the movement, I would take my best at dimplomacy, I assure you. I was outraged by OPs claims. Now I feel... like I overreacted a bit. 

The point is you need to rise above even when interracting with your fellow peers on the forums. Not ust the company. If he's getting to yu, just take a step bak and ignore it if you think you won't be able to be civil.

[Catroi]

We would not care if we didn't respect them, ever thought of that?

[xScarecrowX]

I understand the artistic argument. I understand that some fans are upset with each other for the re-take ME3 movement. What I personally am upset with (Besides the obvious ending failures) is that Bioware advertised something they couldn't deliver. I love Bioware and will trust them to fix this.

[Vikali]

Vromrig wrote...

I don't disagree with you .But that doesn't mean they cannot answer questions. Some things may end up having to be retconned. We just don't know. There's no reason to dismiss their efforts before even seeing is my point, and talking about 'what should have' happened is irrelevant to me. What's done is done, let them try and remedy it.

Not undermining, clarifying. Driving home importance of pressure that must be kept.

If Bioware hopes to end movement by showing us different camera angle of ending, answering how squad got on Normandy to crash land, anger will remain.

Disappointment not in "how" this happened, but "that".

Want Bioware to understand feedback. Important issue.

Would hate to hate company.

Well, I'm going to be straight with you. I'm usually good at tying up loose ends, but that Normandy scene really doesn't register in my mind as anything but last minute fanservice. BEcause your squad was meant to die initially and I think they back peddaled. I don't think we really have to worry about the Normandy scene.

[krayt298]

Hmm ok... I'm still going to hold the line.

[Huyna]

TheBandit554 wrote...

Who gave them the right to treat Bioware like this?

Bioware did. And EA, of course.

[Liber320]

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

Whining = Opinions You Don't Like

If Bioware has the right to do whatever they want, we have the right to give them **** for it.

Epsilon330 wrote...

Skirata129 wrote...

I'm sorry, what's getting ridiculous? until they address our concerns with out all the PR spin, hold the line.

How
about reporting them to external managing companies like the BBB, and
threatening to tell George Lucas and Steven Spielberg etc. to try and
get them to join your "cause"?
You die-hard "Line-Holders" are only
diminishing your chances of rectification, and muddying the reputation
of your group. Don't directly weaken BioWare, do something constructive;
like the Child's Play Charity donations.

So the actions of a couple guys doing things you don't agree with, of course, invalidates everybody. I guess it's a lot easier to dismiss an entire group for the actions of a few than to actually say something to their larger point.

This. It was one person who reported EA/Bioware to the BBB and FTC, and a minority of others that are taking things out of hand

Most of us are relatively calm and reasonable and just want a clear, definitive answer. Not "we are considering" or "we are listening", but we "we will" or "we will not"

Until then, we will keep the presure up (reasonably), to make sure Bioware knows we didn't just stop careing.

[Vromrig]

Well, I'm going to be straight with you. I'm usually good at tying up loose ends, but that Normandy scene really doesn't register in my mind as anything but last minute fanservice. BEcause your squad was meant to die initially and I think they back peddaled. I don't think we really have to worry about the Normandy scene.

Why Indoctrination Theory flows so well. Ties up loose ends, avoids sticky situations. Keeps integrity of series.

Everyone happy.

[quiksilver723]

Catroi wrote...

We would not care if we didn't respect them, ever thought of that?

Yeah sure I can get on board with that notion.  But we still need to show that respect.

[gudman]

Vikali wrote...


The point is you need to rise above even when interracting with your fellow peers on the forums. Not ust the company. If he's getting to yu, just take a step bak and ignore it if you think you won't be able to be civil.

Come on, a man can blow some steam once in a while, can I? 

[cachx]

gudman wrote...

cachx wrote...
You know who kept changing their game? the guys that made Hydrophobia, they ended up losing their shirts and the studio went under a few days ago.
And then you read cool things, like this gamasutra article.

Taking things to extremes. Mature argument. 

Providing logical, real world examples is considered inmature, ok. 

[Eire Icon]

Catroi wrote...

We would not care if we didn't respect them, ever thought of that?

Thats a complete cop out and utter nonsense,

Its like the abusive husbend saying to his battered wife "I only hit you because I care so much I get so wound up"

[Adanu]

Aesieru wrote...

They misadvertised the majority of the entire product.

That's not just illegal, but it makes them out to be very terrible people.

They gave you exactly what was advertised, just not in the way you envisioned.

Your choices matter for the ending somewhat, but they don't factor in majorly. They pretty much did the same thing with DA:O.

Always love this 'argument' from the blind haters.

[Vikali]

Vromrig wrote...

Well, I'm going to be straight with you. I'm usually good at tying up loose ends, but that Normandy scene really doesn't register in my mind as anything but last minute fanservice. BEcause your squad was meant to die initially and I think they back peddaled. I don't think we really have to worry about the Normandy scene.

Why Indoctrination Theory flows so well. Ties up loose ends, avoids sticky situations. Keeps integrity of series.

Everyone happy.

I don't agree with that either. While it offers good points, countless times people have counter argued it and that crew likes to conveniently miss those posts. There are many theories that make just as much sense as indoc. I don't think it's fair to have the attitude of 'it works perfectly', because at this point, nothing really does.

[Baafee]

Sure there are over-reacting people.

I've been insulted by a german guy, but I won't blame all germans for this. I'll blame the concerned guy only.

If one is going over the limits, just tell him. Quote him and tell him. Send him a private message. Report him. Whatever.
But don't create a thread whose purpose is to reduce every posters of the forum at the state impolite kids, because you're doing the exact same thing that what you're standing against. (sorry for my English, if you can correct it, I would be thankful).

[Aesieru]

Adanu wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

They misadvertised the majority of the entire product.

That's not just illegal, but it makes them out to be very terrible people.

They gave you exactly what was advertised, just not in the way you envisioned.

Your choices matter for the ending somewhat, but they don't factor in majorly. They pretty much did the same thing with DA:O.

Always love this 'argument' from the blind haters.

...

They promised it'd effect things in major, significant, and entirely varying ways based on our decisions and that we wouldn't be propped with an A B C ending.

DID YOU EVEN READ WHAT THEY SAID?!

[gudman]

cachx wrote...

gudman wrote...

cachx wrote...
You know who kept changing their game? the guys that made Hydrophobia, they ended up losing their shirts and the studio went under a few days ago.
And then you read cool things, like this gamasutra article.

Taking things to extremes. Mature argument. 

Providing logical, real world examples is considered inmature, ok. 

Way to evade the whole point of my post, ok. 

[Vikali]

gudman wrote...

Vikali wrote...


The point is you need to rise above even when interracting with your fellow peers on the forums. Not ust the company. If he's getting to yu, just take a step bak and ignore it if you think you won't be able to be civil.

Come on, a man can blow some steam once in a while, can I? 

It's fine to blow off steam. But when you're representing someone in any situation, it's still a good note to not degrade it into what people could view and rude and immature. It invalidates anything you say.

[Vergil_dgk]

Dusty Arne wrote...

is getting annoying..

Call me a fanboy, but Bioware is one of few dev's i still deeply respect.


Much of you lack this respect big time. For a Dev to chance their own game is a HUGE accomplisment. I still dont agree on it though. Bioware had this ending in mind, so it belongs to Mass Effect, now we will never know for sure if they had planned this. What they wanted to do later on this year with DLC. With every piece of DLC they will release now i will doubt this is truly a Bioware decision. 
 
I know i will not make friends with this post here, but i wanted to let Bioware know that there are still gamers that deeply respect, and accept their choices in what ever they planned to do in the Mass Effect Galaxy.

Just throwing this out there...


And to Bioware... Wonderfull job on the Mass Effect Trilogy, and remember, whining gamers only want the best for their game.

It doesn't matter if changing the ending is Bioware's decision or not. Changing the ending is a good decision just as the original one was the result of a bad decision.

Modifié par Vergil_dgk, 22 mars 2012 - 05:50 .

[SuperMedbh]

OP sums it up for me. I got where the ending was coming from (it had been seriously foreshadowed), but felt that its execution left a lot of plot holes and contradicted earlier themes.

Then I made lunch.

I mean seriously, it's just a story (and for the most part, an extremely engaging one). If it really bothers you, just buy into the indoctrination theory floating around the boards, aka Shep in Wonderland: "Oh, I've had such a curious dream!" No need to get all hot and bothered if you think of it that way.

[Aesieru]

http://social.biowar...ndex/10405204/1

This explains every promise.