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[Etereoooo]

Yeah it's annoing.
Thats the point, IT HAS TO BE.
We are asking for someting that Bioware do not feel important, so we have to make it important

[Vromrig]

I don't agree with that either. While it offers good points, countless times people have counter argued it and that crew likes to conveniently miss those posts. There are many theories that make just as much sense as indoc. I don't think it's fair to have the attitude of 'it works perfectly', because at this point, nothing really does.

Failing to understand. Adherence to Indoctrination Theory not out of patriotism or emotion, but logic.

Situation created in such a way that every party will be happy, no loose ends.

[gudman]

Vikali wrote...

It's fine to blow off steam. But when you're representing someone in any situation, it's still a good note to not degrade it into what people could view and rude and immature. It invalidates anything you say.

Most of the time I just represent myself. Guess I should not it somewhere next time, heh heh. I'll try, thanks. 

[Reaperbeta]

Dusty Arne wrote...

is getting annoying..

Call me a fanboy, but Bioware is one of few dev's i still deeply respect.


Much of you lack this respect big time. For a Dev to chance their own game is a HUGE accomplisment. I still dont agree on it though. Bioware had this ending in mind, so it belongs to Mass Effect, now we will never know for sure if they had planned this. What they wanted to do later on this year with DLC. With every piece of DLC they will release now i will doubt this is truly a Bioware decision. 
 
I know i will not make friends with this post here, but i wanted to let Bioware know that there are still gamers that deeply respect, and accept their choices in what ever they planned to do in the Mass Effect Galaxy.

Just throwing this out there...


And to Bioware... Wonderfull job on the Mass Effect Trilogy, and remember, whining gamers only want the best for their game.

Problem is bioware did not have this ending in mind the original one got leaked so they had to rush out a new one(Personally don't care about the fact that the ending got leaked and i liked that ending alot more than what we got)

Also remember we want the best from their product problem is Drew quit bioware shortly after the old republic came out

[Cheep Cheep Cheep]

Skirata129 wrote...

I'm sorry, what's getting ridiculous? until they address our concerns with out all the PR spin, hold the line.

[Venturisection]

I don't think its mob mentality i honestly think as people complete the game they come out frustrated and they come here and vent. Not everyone will have finished yet and this will go on and on and on till something is done about the ending.

Everyone is looking for a minute by minute update and you can tell how frustrated people are.

I think it was the biggest mistake every to deviate from the original plot elements of Dark Energy as the current ending simply does not fit. I know of plenty of people who still haven't finished and I know full well they will find this Ending unsatisfactory and out of place and I don't expect anything less than more complaints.  

[pjotroos]

Yeah, I can sympathise if it starts to annoy you, because there's a lot of noise on the forums - but making noise is what actually made getting anywhere possible.

[SandTrout]

Rockpopple wrote...

It's just mob mentality at this point. People blindly lashing out in anger and hate. Emphasis on the word "blindly".

I don't like the endings either, but this is ****ing ridiculous.

Nothing has changed, so how is it ridiculous now? Add to this that virtually no one is lashing out in blind anger at BioWare.

It's like the DA2 fiasco. I thought that was when the "fandom" showed their true colors, but this puts that nonsense to shame.

Never played DA2, so can't speak on that.

People need to re-think of what being "a fan" means. If I was a developer I honestly would just stop listening to what anyone had to say, positive or negative, and just let the chips fall where they may. Nobody gets paid enough to take on this kind of crap.

That is incredibly stupid from a business point of view. The vast majority of the criticism has been constuctive, with everything from clear descriptions of how and why the ending is unsatisfactory, to alternate endings that we are volunteering to BioWare to use. People usually get paid for this kind of thing, and we're begging BioWare to take our ideas for free.

If it make me less of a 'fan' to actually hold BioWare up to the promises it made in order to convince me to shell out my money, then fine, I'm not a fan. I'm still a customer, and I will not be cowed into accepting a product that is less than what I had good cause to expect by the likes of fanboys who think that it is their duty to protect BioWare for some reason.

[Vikali]

Vromrig wrote...

I don't agree with that either. While it offers good points, countless times people have counter argued it and that crew likes to conveniently miss those posts. There are many theories that make just as much sense as indoc. I don't think it's fair to have the attitude of 'it works perfectly', because at this point, nothing really does.

Failing to understand. Adherence to Indoctrination Theory not out of patriotism or emotion, but logic.

Situation created in such a way that every party will be happy, no loose ends.

The loose ends lie in the before, not the after. And some in the during as well. But this is not the place to discuss that.

[Erixxxx]

I respect that some people wanted more than the open ending we got, and I can understand it to a certain point as well. However, the behaviour on these forums has been extremely bad. Maybe it's just a "vocal minority" of the Retake group, but that minority has taken it upon themselves to tarnish every single thing that Bioware has said.

At first I wouldn't mind an extended ending or some other form of ending DLC. That just means more Mass Effect for me to play. However now I definitely don't want it anymore. We, as a community, do not deserve it after what has happened over the last two weeks.

TheBandit554 wrote...

I completely agree. While the endings weren't to my taste, I think that this "RetakeME3" campaign is utterly ridiculous. Who gave them the right to treat Bioware like this?

I didn't take the end popup screen as a slap to the face, I took it as "Hey man, thanks for sticking with us for 5 years! We're definitely creating more content for you to enjoy! Good Luck in all your ventures!" And I was like, "GREAT! I'm going to go look up the alternate endings now." What did I find? Endings that, yes, were suspiciously alike, but even worse, a start of a movement that has taken over BSN, IGN, GameSpot, and has even made it to CNN.

Well, all I can say is that I was always taught not to bite the hand that feeds you. Try patience guys, we might just get answers and more content. Closure, if you want to call it that.

I'll hold the line, but I'll hold it on Bioware's side just like DA2

I couldn't agree more. What I walked away from an ending with was certainty. Certainty that we have not seen the last of this amazing sci-fi universe. I don't care that the endings superficially looked alike. The repercussions of each one make a HUGE difference on the Mass Effect galaxy, and provides an insane amount of options for future content. A lot of people don't realize this.

I'm on Bioware's side in this. There's a meaning to the ending we got, and we have definitely not seen the last of it. My only hope is, that if we indeed get some remedied ending, it doesn't ruin whatever Bioware had planned for this universe following ME3.

[ArkkAngel007]

Vromrig wrote...

I don't agree with that either. While it offers good points, countless times people have counter argued it and that crew likes to conveniently miss those posts. There are many theories that make just as much sense as indoc. I don't think it's fair to have the attitude of 'it works perfectly', because at this point, nothing really does.

Failing to understand. Adherence to Indoctrination Theory not out of patriotism or emotion, but logic.

Situation created in such a way that every party will be happy, no loose ends.

Assuming that DLC would follow up on that ending.  On it's own, sure, it has no loose endings...it just doesn't have an ending.

[Powerpetzi]

Adanu wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

They misadvertised the majority of the entire product.

That's not just illegal, but it makes them out to be very terrible people.

They gave you exactly what was advertised, just not in the way you envisioned.

Your choices matter for the ending somewhat, but they don't factor in majorly. They pretty much did the same thing with DA:O.

Always love this 'argument' from the blind haters.

No, they don't. Your choices do not matter or factor in the ending AT ALL. The only thing that does is your EMS, which can be raised in any number of ways.

[ImmovableMover]

"DISSENT IS UNACCEPTABLE. ALL CRITICISM SHOULD NOW CEASE. YOU SHOULD BE GRATEFUL WE EVEN ACKNOWLEDGED YOUR GRIEVANCES WITH ANYTHING OTHER THAN BANS."

Seriously though, I'm pretty sure that we're not complaining for the good of our health or because we consider it fun, so telling us to "Quit it" before we've actually accomplished anything than forcing bioware to release a few vague PR notes is ridiculous. Christ, it's like someone going "Look, we get you don't like what Lucas is doing to star wars but just let him DO IT okay? Can't you just accept he's going to change it and be happy? Why can't you just submit to his whims?"

Modifié par ImmovableMover, 22 mars 2012 - 05:58 .

[Vikali]

Erixxxx wrote...

I couldn't agree more. What I walked away from an ending with was certainty. Certainty that we have not seen the last of this amazing sci-fi universe. I don't care that the endings superficially looked alike. The repercussions of each one make a HUGE difference on the Mass Effect galaxy, and provides an insane amount of options for future content. A lot of people don't realize this.

I'm on Bioware's side in this. There's a meaning to the ending we got, and we have definitely not seen the last of it. My only hope is, that if we indeed get some remedied ending, it doesn't ruin whatever Bioware had planned for this universe following ME3.

Marry me? I've been saying this from day one.

[Vromrig]

Assuming that DLC would follow up on that ending. On it's own, sure, it has no loose endings...it just doesn't have an ending.

Primary point. Want actual ending. Indoctrination attempt leads to this point. Would pay full game price for "what happens after". Not likely many would. $9.99 fair price.

[Foxhound2121]

When I buy a Pepsi, it has absolutely nothing to do with respect for the company. It has more to do with the taste of the product.

There is a tolerance zone where customer loyalty stands. Making statements about a product I buy and then not following through with them is something that would upset anyone.

[CronoDragoon]

SandTrout wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

It's just mob mentality at this point. People blindly lashing out in anger and hate. Emphasis on the word "blindly".

I don't like the endings either, but this is ****ing ridiculous.

Nothing has changed, so how is it ridiculous now? Add to this that virtually no one is lashing out in blind anger at BioWare.

It's like the DA2 fiasco. I thought that was when the "fandom" showed their true colors, but this puts that nonsense to shame.

Never played DA2, so can't speak on that.

People need to re-think of what being "a fan" means. If I was a developer I honestly would just stop listening to what anyone had to say, positive or negative, and just let the chips fall where they may. Nobody gets paid enough to take on this kind of crap.

That is incredibly stupid from a business point of view. The vast majority of the criticism has been constuctive, with everything from clear descriptions of how and why the ending is unsatisfactory, to alternate endings that we are volunteering to BioWare to use. People usually get paid for this kind of thing, and we're begging BioWare to take our ideas for free.

If it make me less of a 'fan' to actually hold BioWare up to the promises it made in order to convince me to shell out my money, then fine, I'm not a fan. I'm still a customer, and I will not be cowed into accepting a product that is less than what I had good cause to expect by the likes of fanboys who think that it is their duty to protect BioWare for some reason.

I agree with the God Emperor.

[ArkkAngel007]

Most of ReTake has been very civil. I do think the conspiracy theories on every tweet, interview, and PR statement need to be tuned back a bit, and I also think the raging between IT and "literal" supporters needs to stop. Most of the bad behavior has been towards eachother, not towards BioWare.

But people do need to calm down on here and find another way to lash out, because we really are just trying to get the best solution for both us and BioWare.

And with that our opinions will continue to be voiced.

I also want to note that BioWare did not have to create DLC...we really don't know what they are doing to be honest. However, that was their choice based on the feedback they received from us. I highly doubt they would make a decision that would compromise their artistic vision of the game. They have a decent team of writers that can figure it out. For all we know, we may be getting extra scenes to fill in the holes, and that's it. Or, they will focus on a single perspective on the ending and go from there.

Again, that was their decision, not ours.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 22 mars 2012 - 06:04 .

[TheKingofRedLions]

I am a huge fan, and a bioware "fanboy" myself.

I also understand how things work, the sooner we stop being "annoying", the sooner they will say crisis averted.

HOLD THE LINE.

[gudman]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Most of ReTake has been very civil. I do think the conspiracy theories on every tweet, interview, and PR statement need to be tuned back a bit, and I also think the raging between IT and "literal" supporters needs to stop. Most of the bad behavior has been towards eachother, not towards BioWare.

But people do need to calm down on here and find another way to lash out, because we really are just trying to get the best solution for both us and BioWare.

And with that our opinions will continue to be voiced.

I also want to note that BioWare did not have to create DLC...we really don't know what they are doing to be honest. However, that was their choice based on the feedback they received from us. I highly doubt they would make a decision that would compromise their artistic vision of the game. They have a decent team of writers that can figure it out. For all we know, we may be getting extra scenes to fill in the holes, and that's it. Or, they will focus on a single perspective on the ending and go from there.

Again, that was their decision, not ours.

This. So much this. Just... so much. 

[jules_vern18]

1: they are going to make changes.
2: they have said that they will be keeping our input in mind as said changes are made.

Therefore, we have full license to continue making suggestions and offering constructive criticism - we have been openly invited to.

While we have to do this in a civil and constructive way, it's natural that the nonsensical current endings and the false promises that were made (this is an objective observation, NOT an opinion) will bring up some passionate debate. As long as we temper that with constructive feedback, I.see no reason why we have to "sit back and wait " while the invitation for us to offer input remains open. I'm sorry you find it annoying, but it's going to be (and should be) the reality here in the weeks to come.

[quiksilver723]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Most of ReTake has been very civil. I do think the conspiracy theories on every tweet, interview, and PR statement need to be tuned back a bit, and I also think the raging between IT and "literal" supporters needs to stop. Most of the bad behavior has been towards eachother, not towards BioWare.

But people do need to calm down on here and find another way to lash out, because we really are just trying to get the best solution for both us and BioWare.

And with that our opinions will continue to be voiced.

I also want to note that BioWare did not have to create DLC...we really don't know what they are doing to be honest. However, that was their choice based on the feedback they received from us. I highly doubt they would make a decision that would compromise their artistic vision of the game. They have a decent team of writers that can figure it out. For all we know, we may be getting extra scenes to fill in the holes, and that's it. Or, they will focus on a single perspective on the ending and go from there.

Again, that was their decision, not ours.

Well said.

[Eire Icon]

Erixxxx wrote...

I respect that some people wanted more than the open ending we got, and I can understand it to a certain point as well. However, the behaviour on these forums has been extremely bad. Maybe it's just a "vocal minority" of the Retake group, but that minority has taken it upon themselves to tarnish every single thing that Bioware has said.

At first I wouldn't mind an extended ending or some other form of ending DLC. That just means more Mass Effect for me to play. However now I definitely don't want it anymore. We, as a community, do not deserve it after what has happened over the last two weeks.

Yep this is how I'm feeling too. I think there are some ME fans actually turning against the retake movement due to the behaviour of some. I feel sorry for the genuine people constructively campagining for change, in a mature and civil manner.

Some however have this idea that because you are fans or have paid for a game, that you have the right to verbally abuse and be rude to people. That just does not sit well with people................well not with adults anyway.

Yes you paid for a game, but you don't own Bioware, or their staff, and they are not your verbal punching bags.

Modifié par Eire Icon, 22 mars 2012 - 06:13 .

[Vromrig]

Some however have this idea that because you are fans or have paid for a game, that you have the right to verbally abuse and be rude to people. That just does not sit well with people................well not with adults anyway.

Some talk about this occurring often.

Rarely happens.

Seems like food for speculation, not actual observation.

[Midarc2nd]

Consider myself a fanboy of bioware too.
Not ashamed of it, even given that it's usually a negative catagory to be held in.
Still holding the line.

I'm staying civil.
I'm not attacking.
I'm just keeping the issue alive.

Haven't got a problem with you though, Op.