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[KaeserZen]

(Great video about the Indoctrination theory : )

Even with all the official responses from BioWare hinting at no change in the endings, I can't help but think the Indoctrination theory is right and is indeed what BioWare intented.

Even if most of the official statements are extremely cryptic, to me, they scream like a massive "Wait for it !" ("If the fans knew what was planned, they would hold on to their saves" / "We care about this feedback, and we’re planning to directly address it" / "You'll hear more on this in April" / "We want more people to experience the endings").

Because, in every BioWare-produced game I have played, there was an exceptionnally well crafted plot twist or betrayal with a massive impact on the play experience (SPOILERS FROM OTHER GAMES RIGHT BELOW) :
- Knights of the Old Republic : The Player is actually Darth Revan
- Knights of the Old Republic 2 (even though BioWare wasn't the developper) : Darth Traya is using you
- Jade Empire : Your master has actually bred you to be manipulated into serving his dark goals
- SW:TOR : Sith Warrior story (Your master betrays you, even though that was to be expected) / Trooper story (Your squad are double agents) / Jedi Knight story (The kidnapped superweapon scientist is actually a Sith Lord trying to activate it)

Because, I did not see such a massive, story-central plot-twist in Mass Effect 3, and that I would expect it for the Grand Finale and from BioWare.

Because, this just cannot be the way it ends.

Because, they have promised us ealier, and usually BioWare doesn't market what they can't/won't deliver (check SW:TOR's development information releases).

Because, why would they want more player to experience the ending, if it wasn't to prevent them from being spoiled by such a massive plot-twist, if it was already released in the game ?

Because, the Indoctrination theory has too many hints supporting it and makes too much sense within the framework and story of the series to only think of it as a mere coincidence.

Because, the Indoctrination theory is the perfect set-up for the massive plot-twist that would close the game on a firework show of epicness.

Because, revealing the Indoctrination theory through free DLC will be a massive and bold publicity stunt, based on the attention they already have gotten.

Because, they want to continue the franchise, and these ends can't provide that.

Because, BioWare is expert at playing with people's emotions with their video games, and because of everything we have felt so far, Indoctrination theory would be the pinnacle of this, by simply breaking the fourth wall between the gamer and the game.

Because, every other BioWare game is amazing and a masterpiece, and have you already been massively disappointed by the stories, their symbolism and their implementation ?

Because, the Stargazer has "One more story".

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Because of this all, I have now renewed faith in the company, and think that if this is the way they have planned all along, they will live up to their company name, and will "enter the Pantheon" of major artists based on their impact on society (yes, society. This topic has hit many newspapers and websites, some so far away from the usually closed world of video gaming).

Because of this all, I implore everyone on this forum, and around the Internet, to keep holding the line, this time with Hope, not Anger.

And then, we will know and welcome the truth about Commander Shepard's story.

Modifié par KaeserZen, 22 mars 2012 - 04:13 .

[Duncaaaaaan]

1/10 made me reply not even mad troll harder etc etc.

[Ashilana]

Would be great... but if they planned it all along they wouldn't have sicked their attack dogs (gaming review sites) on their own fans. Sorry, we are out of luck.

[The Divine Avenger]

http://social.biowar.../index/10411085

Another video is linked in this thread on the Indctrination theory,

I don't plan on getting my hope's up Bioware has already crushed me once they won't get a 2nd chance

Modifié par The Divine Avenger, 22 mars 2012 - 04:20 .

[Hunter_Wolf]

KaeserZen wrote...

Because, every other BioWare game is amazing and a masterpiece, and have you already been massively disappointed by the stories, their symbolism and their implementation ?

Since I never played DA or DA2, I can't speak from personal experience but the friends I do have that did said DA2 was pretty bad.

[KaeserZen]

Ashilana wrote...

Would be great... but if they planned it all along they wouldn't have sicked their attack dogs (gaming review sites) on their own fans. Sorry, we are out of luck.

That is actually a good point I didn't think about. If Indoc was right, then the gaming sites wouldn't be part of the "conspiracy".

[sargon1986]

I hope you're right. Since I finished ME3 i was hoping that this is just a begging of the epic ME series ending. Bioware responses however led me to believe that current endings are in fact what they intended but we will see what will they show us in april...

I want my shiny, fluffy, colorful ending with lots of rainbows and unicorns! (seriously I do)

[GoblinSapper]

Indoctrination, which is a process by which evil space cuttlefish convince organics they are gods.

Now a theory by which organics convince themselves Corporate Entities are Gods, the world makes sense, and there's a plan for everything. All we need is an official dogma and this is a religion.

[Leonia]

It's going to burst a lot of bubbles when this theory is knocked on the head.

[BigGuy28]

Indoctrination theory is silly and I'm sick of seeing people constantly bringing it up. It's worse than the endings we got. I'll take "choose your color to screw over the galaxy with" over "lol the last part didn't happen you were really indoctrinated" any day.

[KaeserZen]

GoblinSapper wrote...

Indoctrination, which is a process by which evil space cuttlefish convince organics they are gods.

Now a theory by which organics convince themselves Corporate Entities are Gods, the world makes sense, and there's a plan for everything. All we need is an official dogma and this is a religion.

Yes, let's wait for an official dogma confirming this, and as you said, I'm pretty sure this will become a religion.

leonia42 wrote...

It's going to burst a lot of bubbles when this theory is knocked on the head.

Everything's possible, this is still a theory

BigGuy28 wrote...

Indoctrination theory is silly and I'm
sick of seeing people constantly bringing it up. It's worse than the
endings we got. I'll take "choose your color to screw over the galaxy
with" over "lol the last part didn't happen you were really
indoctrinated" any day.

Interesting viewpoint, can you share with us why you would prefer the current endings ?

Modifié par KaeserZen, 22 mars 2012 - 04:20 .

[skippy1776]

One of the main reasons why I am kind of accepting the whole Indoc theory is because it helps the stop the pain of thinking that Casey Hudson and is writing team legitimately thought/thinks that the current endings are a perfect fit for the years of a mass effect that they so well have written. It hurts to look at all of the quotes from the Bioware team and hear about all these awesome choices that I was hoping be able to make at the end just to have it all go crashing down. 95% of the game was darn arguably one of the few great games I have played, but the ending if taken at face value, honestly makes me wish I have never played the Mass Effect series.

Modifié par skippy1776, 22 mars 2012 - 04:23 .

[CroGamer002]

F*ck no!

[The Divine Avenger]

I don'tcare either way, if the indoctrination theory is right then fair enough if it's not then fair enough either way I don't care I just want the ending fixed

[GBGriffin]

leonia42 wrote...

It's going to burst a lot of bubbles when this theory is knocked on the head.

I feel sorry for the people who legitimately believe in this theory without being fanatical about it and shooting down anything else.

I don't feel sorry for the latter, unfortunately. People have been way too confrontational about proving and defending it.

Time will tell, but I'm certainly not expecting them to back it, not as it currently stands. Again, the IT came about as a way to fill in the plotholes, and fans fueled it because there was simply no other explanation that worked for them. If explanations are provided, which presumably they will be, then the IT goes away. =/

Modifié par GBGriffin, 22 mars 2012 - 04:26 .

[KaeserZen]

skippy1776 wrote...

One of the main reasons why I am kind of accepting the whole Indoc theory is because it helps the stop the pain of thinking that Casey Hudson and is writing team legitimately thought/thinks that the current endings are a perfect fit for the years of a mass effect that they so well have written. It hurts to look at all of the quotes from the Bioware team and hear about all these awesome choices that I was hoping be able to make at the end just to have it all go crashing down. 95% of the game was darn arguably one of the few great games I have played, but the ending if taken at face value, honestly makes me wish I have never played the Mass Effect series.

I completely agree with that, without Indoctrination theory, everything in the endings makes little to no sense, and feels completely off compared to the rest of the game...

... off as if an ancient race of machine was trying to mess with your head at one of the most stressful point in the conflict.

Mesina2 wrote...

F*ck no!

Can you explain your position in more than two words ? Thanks !

[Vromrig]

BigGuy28 wrote...

Indoctrination theory is silly and I'm sick of seeing people constantly bringing it up. It's worse than the endings we got. I'll take "choose your color to screw over the galaxy with" over "lol the last part didn't happen you were really indoctrinated" any day.

Animosity towards theory brought on from misunderstanding.  Indoctrination Theory not interested in plot holes, removal of character choice.

Seeks to resolve, instead.  Enlightenment necessary.  Would probably like it.

[Thornquist]

The theory is just people refusing to go from stage one to stage two.

[AxholeRose]

I don't think Bioware cared at all if the current ending fit with the ME story. I think they are just happy that their "artistic integrity" caught so much attention from the international media. Obviously they might not have expected such organized protesting but I think they give their writers TOO MUCH creative freedom. Especially after DA2. They should have restricted some of those freedoms after that crap.

[leianajade]

Part of me would *love* the indoctrination theory to be true, because it *would* be a pretty brilliant twist. I'd go back and comb the trilogy, looking for clues. I can even understand a publicity stunt like this, building anticipation, and so on.

But it has SUCH potential to backfire at this point. I really do want to give Bioware the benefit of the doubt though, because they've made such amazing games in the past.

[ArkkAngel007]

It's ok to support a theory, but saying that it is right when, well, it has yet to be confirmed, is a bit naive. I understand the excitement with the idea, as I'm a supporter of IT, but you're just setting the bait for those not convinced or don't want it to turn out that way.

[RLesueur]

It's pretty much confirmed by this point that Bioware never intended the indoctrination theory.

Let it go!

[skippy1776]

Also though If then Indoc *if* is correct then I would also feel kind of slighted, because to me it would not be an legit ending. It would be more like a "O here is a ending, but it is not the true ending, if you want the true ending you are going to have to pay an additional X amount of dollars." I would buy the true ending, but out of principle I may never pre-order another BIoware game and I will have to do extensive research before I buy another Bioware game. Forget exactly how the saying goes, but I believe it is something like
"Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me."
(dragon age 2 being the first time, with ME3 being the second.)

[Jaze55]

GBGriffin wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

It's going to burst a lot of bubbles when this theory is knocked on the head.

I feel sorry for the people who legitimately believe in this theory without being fanatical about it and shooting down anything else.

I don't feel sorry for the latter, unfortunately. People have been way too confrontational about proving and defending it.

Time will tell, but I'm certainly not expecting them to back it, not as it currently stands. Again, the IT came about as a way to fill in the plotholes, and fans fueled it because there was simply no other explanation that worked for them. If explanations are provided, which presumably they will be, then the IT goes away. =/

I agree with this guy. The confrontational people turned me into a confrontational ****** yesterday.

Will I feel sorry if the theory get shot down? Nope. Because the only way to shoot it down is if we get either a different ending completely that fill in gaps or they just explain stuff where there are no gaps, or they use IT so really, everyone wins either way. True or not once it's proven either way, we should all be happy with a new, complete, or better ending.

More ME = win either way I guess is what I am saying.  

[Jaze55]

RLesueur wrote...

It's pretty much confirmed by this point that Bioware never intended the indoctrination theory.

Let it go!

I also agree with this, but, no point in arguing.

/popcorn while I wait for this to all play out.