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[The Divine Avenger]

TheLostGenius wrote...

"Doesn't anyone hear a humming, or is that just me?"

Beware EA is trying to indoctrinate you

[Ric119]

GBGriffin wrote...

Ric119 wrote...

One thing makes this theory belivable for me and thats when the child walks up to you and if you have enough EMS he shouts "wake up" at you, why would he say this when your already awake??

Don't you pass out and struggle to regain consciousness after the stairway to heaven takes you up to meet him?

No because if you notice your on all fours when he says this and yours eyes are open

[Ghost of a Messiah]

Ric119 wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

Ric119 wrote...

One thing makes this theory belivable for me and thats when the child walks up to you and if you have enough EMS he shouts "wake up" at you, why would he say this when your already awake??

Don't you pass out and struggle to regain consciousness after the stairway to heaven takes you up to meet him?

No because if you notice your on all fours when he says this and yours eyes are open

Dosn't make since to tell you to wake up... But how do you explane the "what are you doing here" alternative?

[MeganHunter]

After watching the IT vid, I was really hoping that in the final scene with Anderson, he was real...and talking to you. Sixth Sense style. If you ignore the Illusive Man's dialogue, it works great for the first half. But then Shep clearly says things to IM specifically, and Anderson does too. But the shiver is so great at first, hearing Goliath from Gargoyles shout "YOU'RE indoctrinated!"

[Ric119]

Ghost of a Messiah wrote...

Ric119 wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

Ric119 wrote...

One thing makes this theory belivable for me and thats when the child walks up to you and if you have enough EMS he shouts "wake up" at you, why would he say this when your already awake??

Don't you pass out and struggle to regain consciousness after the stairway to heaven takes you up to meet him?

No because if you notice your on all fours when he says this and yours eyes are open

Dosn't make since to tell you to wake up... But how do you explane the "what are you doing here" alternative?

Well if this theory is right then it could be becuase you donts have enough EMS but if it is not correct then i have no idea and this makes it more confusing

[Drake-Shepard]

[quote]Ric119 wrote...

One thing makes this theory belivable for me and thats when the child walks up to you and if you have enough EMS he shouts "wake up" at you, why would he say this when your already awake??[/quote]

Don't you pass out and struggle to regain consciousness after the stairway to heaven takes you up to meet him?

[/quote]

No because if you notice your on all fours when he says this and yours eyes are open[/quote]

Dosn't make since to tell you to wake up... But how do you explane the "what are you doing here" alternative?

[/quote]

drake posts;

Higher EMS =  give you a clue

edit. the quoting messed up

Modifié par Drake-Shepard, 22 mars 2012 - 07:21 .

[Turbotanden]

MeganHunter wrote...

Turbotanden wrote...

MeganHunter wrote...

As much as I love the idea of indoctrination theory, Mike Gamble's twitter last night said that Synthesis was the optimal ending because it's the hardest to unlock.

Yes.

It wasn't an offical statement on his part or anything, he was just answering questions and being playful. But it sure sounds like he means it. Sorry, new to twitter and not sure how to link to that tweet alone, but he said it at 11:33 pm last night.

https://twitter.com/#!/GambleMike

"which would you consider the optimal ending? *spoiler* of the 3 choices, synthesis is the most difficult to get"
Hardly saying that synthesis is optimal.

I guess to me that sounds like exactly what he's saying. I'm not knocking on IT though, I'm just trying to assimilate anything new I get my greedy little hands on, just like I did with IT.

No, he asks which one you think is the best. Then he goes on to state that out of the three choices, it requires the highest EMS open up synthesis. He is only saying it in context of defending their galactic readiness system.

[Phearmonger]

Here's why I believe the IT is basically what they planned all along, possibly with a few things that were elaborated on that weren't the original intent:

From the start during that sequence I felt like something was off--beginning well before Spaceboy's appearance. I took down a marauder way too easy, when I first heard Anderson talk to me in the Citadel it sounded like he was whispering near me, not over a helmet intercom, yet he was nowhere near me, the TIM/Anderson sequence was obvious to me in its representation of the classic devil on one shoulder angel on the other internal struggle, the coloration of the choices at the end contradicted the people depicted as performing them, such as Anderson on the red choice, and I recognized Spaceboy's justifications from the Reapers and Saren, which I consider a clue that I'm being deceived right there. Then there is the dream running throughout the game that has little to no meaning without this, and has perfect meaning with it. And it makes sense to me to make, as part of a climactic ending, Shepard struggling against indoctrination. Of course, even with a struggle against indoctrination, it needs a conclusion. Shep still needs to be shown succumbing or overcoming and kicking reaper ass or all going to Hell.

I really haven't seen any definitive proof that the devs did not intend the sequence. I've seen the posted interviews and really can't see them saying anywhere that this isn't intended to be an indoctrination sequence. I honestly read them as carefully as I could and saw no definitive statement of their original intent for this sequence. It may have been some elaborate stunt, which is somewhat reinforced by this rigid April date that's being bandied about, but it appears to have backfired and probably won't win them any friends even if they finally bring out or unlock the final ending.

I won't go cry in my cereal if they invalidate IT. It's the speculation that's fun. But the clues are so solid that it would surprise me if they fit accidentally. It's not circular reasoning. Sure, the plotholes are filled only if you assume IT is true, but so many deliberate artistic choices are included that it really doesn't require assuming the theory is true in the first place to understand how the pieces fit together. Mystery novels are about leaving clues and readers enjoying the process of putting the clues together so they can figure out the ending before the detective announces who's guilty and why. I feel this is an attempt to do the same thing: leave clues so that the players can speculate on a mysterious sequence and reach various conclusions in an attempt to solve the mystery.

Only my opinion, of course, but that doesn't invalidate it. I had no strong feelings about the ending before I learned about IT, so I'm really not in denial. I just like the process of figuring out what a bunch of clues mean, and I have a hard time believing that such a coherent trail of clues (IMO) could be the result of anything but deliberate intent.

[szkasypcze]

Why don't people see it?? the INDOC is so obviously true.... Sadly BW has twisted it....

[Ric119]

Im gonna sound stupid hear but can someone tell me wt EMS does stand for, i know its your Galaxy at war assets but i Dont know what EMS stands for?

[Drake-Shepard]

Ric119 wrote...

Im gonna sound stupid hear but can someone tell me wt EMS does stand for, i know its your Galaxy at war assets but i Dont know what EMS stands for?

effective military strength

[GBGriffin]

szkasypcze wrote...

Why don't people see it?? the INDOC is so obviously true.... Sadly BW has twisted it....

I...need to go.

[Ric119]

szkasypcze wrote...

Why don't people see it?? the INDOC is so obviously true.... Sadly BW has twisted it....

I would love this to be true becuase it does make sense and it proves that BW have fooled many of us with a false ending and made us have strong feelings for this game compared to most other games that dont try to get the players to feel strongly about the game, but it hasnt been comfirmed so im not jumping to conclusions

[Jaze55]

GBGriffin wrote...

szkasypcze wrote...

Why don't people see it?? the INDOC is so obviously true.... Sadly BW has twisted it....

I...need to go.

LOL that's awesome.

[Drake-Shepard]

same i was 100% before.

But then after the outcry and cryptic response I am losing hope rapidly.

Then again it can be what they intended but no follow up. no closure, It could be a brilliantly executed cop-out. I don't know what depresses me more

Modifié par Drake-Shepard, 22 mars 2012 - 07:31 .

[Raanz]

Count me as a ME fan that really believes that some form of this theory was planned from the get-go and they just haven't sprung it on us yet.

Maybe that is naive, maybe I am just wishful thinking this...nobody knows for sure, but some of the Bioware peeps have been talking about and hinting towards an idea that this game be epic in nature. I think they didn't plan on such negative backlash but I do think they have an evil scheme and it's hatching.

Modifié par Raanz, 22 mars 2012 - 07:31 .

[The Divine Avenger]

Phearmonger wrote...

Here's why I believe the IT is basically what they planned all along, possibly with a few things that were elaborated on that weren't the original intent:

From the start during that sequence I felt like something was off--beginning well before Spaceboy's appearance. I took down a marauder way too easy, when I first heard Anderson talk to me in the Citadel it sounded like he was whispering near me, not over a helmet intercom, yet he was nowhere near me, the TIM/Anderson sequence was obvious to me in its representation of the classic devil on one shoulder angel on the other internal struggle, the coloration of the choices at the end contradicted the people depicted as performing them, such as Anderson on the red choice, and I recognized Spaceboy's justifications from the Reapers and Saren, which I consider a clue that I'm being deceived right there. Then there is the dream running throughout the game that has little to no meaning without this, and has perfect meaning with it. And it makes sense to me to make, as part of a climactic ending, Shepard struggling against indoctrination. Of course, even with a struggle against indoctrination, it needs a conclusion. Shep still needs to be shown succumbing or overcoming and kicking reaper ass or all going to Hell.

I really haven't seen any definitive proof that the devs did not intend the sequence. I've seen the posted interviews and really can't see them saying anywhere that this isn't intended to be an indoctrination sequence. I honestly read them as carefully as I could and saw no definitive statement of their original intent for this sequence. It may have been some elaborate stunt, which is somewhat reinforced by this rigid April date that's being bandied about, but it appears to have backfired and probably won't win them any friends even if they finally bring out or unlock the final ending.

I won't go cry in my cereal if they invalidate IT. It's the speculation that's fun. But the clues are so solid that it would surprise me if they fit accidentally. It's not circular reasoning. Sure, the plotholes are filled only if you assume IT is true, but so many deliberate artistic choices are included that it really doesn't require assuming the theory is true in the first place to understand how the pieces fit together. Mystery novels are about leaving clues and readers enjoying the process of putting the clues together so they can figure out the ending before the detective announces who's guilty and why. I feel this is an attempt to do the same thing: leave clues so that the players can speculate on a mysterious sequence and reach various conclusions in an attempt to solve the mystery.

Only my opinion, of course, but that doesn't invalidate it. I had no strong feelings about the ending before I learned about IT, so I'm really not in denial. I just like the process of figuring out what a bunch of clues mean, and I have a hard time believing that such a coherent trail of clues (IMO) could be the result of anything but deliberate intent.

Also note that when you choose Controle & synthasis Sheps eyes go just like Sarens & the IM & they were both indoctrinated, not saying it's right or wrong just saying it does make sense.

[Chuvvy]

"BioWare are writing gods and plot-twist masters"

This is what bioware actually believes.

[Drake-Shepard]

There are about 40 indoc hinting ideas, that i happen to believe. I hope your not going to list them again,

sheilds out!

[Ghost of a Messiah]

Raanz wrote...

Count me as a ME fan that really believes that some form of this theory was planned from the get-go and they just haven't sprung it on us yet.

Maybe that is naive, maybe I am just wishful thinking this...nobody knows for sure, but some of the Bioware peeps have been talking about and hinting towards an idea that this game be epic in nature. I think they didn't plan on such negative backlash but I do think they have an evil scheme and it's hatching.

If believing IT is wrong, I don't wanna be right.

[Ric119]

The Divine Avenger wrote...

Also note that when you choose Controle & synthasis Sheps eyes go just like Sarens & the IM & they were both indoctrinated, not saying it's right or wrong just saying it does make sense.

I would also like to point out with these two options that shepard also appears to turn into a husk like creature if you choose these which could mean full indroctrination

[RedShft]

To the OP: Just wait and see. Future actions and statements by Bioware will make everything clear. Presumably, we have to wait until April to hear what is planned.

[The Divine Avenger]

Drake-Shepard wrote...

Ric119 wrote...

Im gonna sound stupid hear but can someone tell me wt EMS does stand for, i know its your Galaxy at war assets but i Dont know what EMS stands for?

effective military strength

yeah This

but the one thing that make's me laugh is I would'nt count a reporter amoung military strength, reasorce maybe but military strength no

Modifié par The Divine Avenger, 22 mars 2012 - 07:40 .

[Merwanor]

I hope it is true, I really do, it will be the best twist in gaming history as it really trick the costumers and it will be remembered for a long time. And Bioware will show me that they still have the right stuff. Because I still can't believe they could come up with endings with so many plot holes.

[The Divine Avenger]

either way you look at it wether your Pro IT or not it's still a matter of waiting for them to release DLC or the the least letting us know what they have planned. Untill then it will remain what it is now speculation