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[kalle90]

Solmanian wrote...

When will people give up on the indoctrinated theory? It's a realy stupid theory, with all respect. It hinges on the assumption that bioware deliberately released a partial, so they could release the actual ending as payed dlc. That's just paranoid.

DLC system has just gone worse and worse. At first stuff like costumes locked on disc, then games like Fallout 3 and Deus Ex HR also released a "real" ending as DLC, Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 could have sold as DLC...

I really don't doubt people would go as far as to say "This is the last part of our trilogy, there's a good chance it's all downhill from here and DLC probably won't be as popular as it was with ME2. What say we cash in big time?" Especially with the From Ashes deal it sounds even likely.

And the popular counter: If indoctrination theory isn't true then the ending is just sad and lackluster. So much details earlier in the game yet ending is very, very downplayed and holed like swiss cheese.

[GoddessLunatic]

God. Why do they have to make this so hard on everyone involved? All they need to do is release an optional update with expanded ending options. And yes, including a 'happy' ending in which Shepard lives and is reunited with the crew. That way, the people who were satisfied can skip out on the changes, the people that wanted clarification get theirs and the happy ending people are satisfied as well. And because the original ending could stay the 'official' one that came with the game, Bioware can even keep that fabled artistic integrity.

[thehomeworld]

They only need to add some additional dialogue to clear up why the heck is joker in the relay in the first place if they indeed want to keep that scene. Beyond that epilogue that will cover persons, worlds, and galactic stability of 3 games worth of events.

[Solmanian]

Adding multiple, vastly different endings is not what I consider a victory. From my POV it would litaraly mean the end of the franchise. Making several completely different ending, would mean that bioware would write itself into a corner, without being able to continue the franchise without displeasing a vast majority of the fanbase by making one ending the cannon and the others meaningless (though there are games who do that, "star wars, force unleashed 2" comes to mind).

[DeinonSlayer]

Solmanian wrote...

Adding multiple, vastly different endings is not what I consider a victory. From my POV it would litaraly mean the end of the franchise. Making several completely different ending, would mean that bioware would write itself into a corner, without being able to continue the franchise without displeasing a vast majority of the fanbase by making one ending the cannon and the others meaningless (though there are games who do that, "star wars, force unleashed 2" comes to mind).

They've already done that. Is Mass Effect 4 going to be wholly populated by cyborgs, or not? Are the Reapers still a looming threat, or not? Were all inhabited worlds in systems with mass relays devastated by the destruction of the same, or have they simply been cut off, with many starving in a galactic dark age (the current best-case scenario)? The endings are, visually, almost identical, but just different enough that nothing can be built after it without Bioware choosing a single outcome as canon. Since they've already written themselves into that corner, what's the harm in giving fans a few more endings which will not be taken into account in future titles?

[kalle90]

Solmanian wrote...

Adding multiple, vastly different endings is not what I consider a victory. From my POV it would litaraly mean the end of the franchise. Making several completely different ending, would mean that bioware would write itself into a corner, without being able to continue the franchise without displeasing a vast majority of the fanbase by making one ending the cannon and the others meaningless (though there are games who do that, "star wars, force unleashed 2" comes to mind).

On the other hand being too careful means one of the game's main trait: choices are efficiently held back. That man saying "Much of the details are lost" has already hit hard as a sign of shoving the choices under rugs. "Yes Shepard might have united Quarians and Geth, we don't know anymore." Lol

[Subject M]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Solmanian wrote...

Adding multiple, vastly different endings is not what I consider a victory. From my POV it would litaraly mean the end of the franchise. Making several completely different ending, would mean that bioware would write itself into a corner, without being able to continue the franchise without displeasing a vast majority of the fanbase by making one ending the cannon and the others meaningless (though there are games who do that, "star wars, force unleashed 2" comes to mind).

They've already done that. Is Mass Effect 4 going to be wholly populated by cyborgs, or not? Are the Reapers still a looming threat, or not? Were all inhabited worlds in systems with mass relays devastated by the destruction of the same, or have they simply been cut off, with many starving in a galactic dark age (the current best-case scenario)? The endings are, visually, almost identical, but just different enough that nothing can be built after it without Bioware choosing a single outcome as canon. Since they've already written themselves into that corner, what's the harm in giving fans a few more endings which will not be taken into account in future titles?

I agree. The line has been crossed. This is the end off the story folks. Any continuation of the Franchise would either be set in the past, far of future or some remote corner of the galaxy. Give this trilogy one hell of a send-off, and then start on something completely new. 

Modifié par Subject M, 22 mars 2012 - 11:50 .

[-Skorpious-]

I agree. If the supposed new DLC simply explains the endings in more detail, it won't do much to calm the protesting. Many of us want additional endings - a complete rewrite isn't required, but adding a few (hopefully at least one less bleak) endings will work wonders with the overall fanbase.

Modifié par -Skorpious-, 22 mars 2012 - 11:51 .

[kalle90]

-Skorpious- wrote...

I agree. If the supposed new DLC simply explains the endings in more detail, it won't do much to calm the protesting. Many of us want additional endings - a complete rewrite isn't required, but adding a few (hopefully at least one less bleak) endings will work wonders with the overall fanbase.

Additional endings that feature yellow, purple, white and brown Relay blasts...

I would say clarifying the current endings is more important than adding a few of the same low quality. But most likely it seems that we haven't even seen the real endings.

[jinxter69]

In response to this 'clarification' post by the good Dr. We do NOT need clarification. Clarification is only needed in response to people not understanding what you originally offered. We are NOT idiots...stop treating us as such. Your company, somehow, got completely disconnected not only with your fans, but with our own story's mythology.

In the ME2 DLC, you showed us how destroying a Mass Effect Relay destroys the solar system in which they are located. As such, ME3 shows us that Shepard kills untold BILLIONS more and quicker than the Reapers could have ever dreamed. We KNOW this happened due to the DLC from ME2. If we can understand this, why can't you?

For the entire time of this series you continually showed us how our actions were affecting the game and giving us a unique game due to those choices. Then you give us an ending that invalidates EVERY choice we made. ALL of our previous choices don't matter at all.

How can you state that you are 'surprised' at the backlash?

Way to show how disconnected you are to us...your most loyal fans.

[Link Ashland 614]

So, just some extra scenes and dialogue explaining stuff will make all the "Hold The Line" fans happy? I really hope so, I want them to love ME3.

[JunMadine]

It would be nice if we could all get what we want. We have to wait. Make your opinion known.

Hold the line.

[Getorex]

kalle90 wrote...

Solmanian wrote...

When will people give up on the indoctrinated theory? It's a realy stupid theory, with all respect. It hinges on the assumption that bioware deliberately released a partial, so they could release the actual ending as payed dlc. That's just paranoid.

DLC system has just gone worse and worse. At first stuff like costumes locked on disc, then games like Fallout 3 and Deus Ex HR also released a "real" ending as DLC, Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 could have sold as DLC...

I really don't doubt people would go as far as to say "This is the last part of our trilogy, there's a good chance it's all downhill from here and DLC probably won't be as popular as it was with ME2. What say we cash in big time?" Especially with the From Ashes deal it sounds even likely.

And the popular counter: If indoctrination theory isn't true then the ending is just sad and lackluster. So much details earlier in the game yet ending is very, very downplayed and holed like swiss cheese.

OK wait a minute.  I LIKED Deus Ex: Human Revolution...WHAT "real" ending DLC.  I've got ONE DLC for that game and it merely fleshes out (in a fun way) one intervening period and doesn't touch the ending.

Did I miss something?

[Getorex]

thehomeworld wrote...

They only need to add some additional dialogue to clear up why the heck is joker in the relay in the first place if they indeed want to keep that scene. Beyond that epilogue that will cover persons, worlds, and galactic stability of 3 games worth of events.

That does NOT "fix" the end nor does it fix in any way the Normandy runnng away to Incest Planet.

Sorry, ANY "explanation" that leaves the crew stranded forever on Incest Planet while Shepard is left forever across the galaxy on Earth is NOT a "fix".

[Getorex]

GoddessLunatic wrote...

God. Why do they have to make this so hard on everyone involved? All they need to do is release an optional update with expanded ending options. And yes, including a 'happy' ending in which Shepard lives and is reunited with the crew. That way, the people who were satisfied can skip out on the changes, the people that wanted clarification get theirs and the happy ending people are satisfied as well. And because the original ending could stay the 'official' one that came with the game, Bioware can even keep that fabled artistic integrity.

I cannot see a proper ending being dumped out as a DLC in a mere couple weeks.  Throwing something together that fast can only give you the same quality as the current ending.  It would likely make no more sense than it currently does and may create more holes than it covers.

[Getorex]

kalle90 wrote...

Solmanian wrote...

When will people give up on the indoctrinated theory? It's a realy stupid theory, with all respect. It hinges on the assumption that bioware deliberately released a partial, so they could release the actual ending as payed dlc. That's just paranoid.

DLC system has just gone worse and worse. At first stuff like costumes locked on disc, then games like Fallout 3 and Deus Ex HR also released a "real" ending as DLC, Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 could have sold as DLC...

I really don't doubt people would go as far as to say "This is the last part of our trilogy, there's a good chance it's all downhill from here and DLC probably won't be as popular as it was with ME2. What say we cash in big time?" Especially with the From Ashes deal it sounds even likely.

And the popular counter: If indoctrination theory isn't true then the ending is just sad and lackluster. So much details earlier in the game yet ending is very, very downplayed and holed like swiss cheese.

The ONE DLC for ME1 was very good.  Too bad there wasn't more.  The DLC for ME2 was OK, but THE creme de la creme of DLC was Lair of the Shadowbroker.  Clearly they can do GOOD DLC regardless of when it comes out.  The Arrival DLC was good and fun too.

[Platysaur]

Well I'm sure as hell not paying 5-10 dollars for a few minutes extra of an ending.

[djspectre]

 Indoctrination Ending: Do not want!

Why? Because that ending would turn the series into a psychological thriller. This game is not a horror game or a mystery game or The Matrix.

It's an RPG with a straight forward premise: SAVE THE F---ING GALAXY. 

The game is awesome because it's HOW you save it through our choices. To tell me everything I did was fake would ruin the entire plot of the trilogy, not just one game. 

Modifié par djspectre, 23 mars 2012 - 01:19 .

[thehomeworld]

^ Agreed or it atleast ruins ME2 (more) and the point of ME3.

[Sidney]

-Skorpious- wrote...

I agree. If the supposed new DLC simply explains the endings in more detail, it won't do much to calm the protesting. Many of us want additional endings - a complete rewrite isn't required, but adding a few (hopefully at least one less bleak) endings will work wonders with the overall fanbase.

There's a blow them up option which is pretty much all I could expect. Not sure what more people wanted. Any thought that the Relays, which are designs to take people the "Reaper Way" would survive is, well I odn't know how people didn't see that coming a mile away.

My problem is that the whole game for me was about finding how how to stop the Reapers but also the "why the heck are they doing this" and the Star Child rationale is so jaw droppingly bad I can't take it.

[Zhuinden]

Those who say if the storyline went diverse, I thought this game was meant to be a trilogy, and this would be the final part. It should end.

[Solmanian]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Solmanian wrote...

Adding multiple, vastly different endings is not what I consider a victory. From my POV it would litaraly mean the end of the franchise. Making several completely different ending, would mean that bioware would write itself into a corner, without being able to continue the franchise without displeasing a vast majority of the fanbase by making one ending the cannon and the others meaningless (though there are games who do that, "star wars, force unleashed 2" comes to mind).

They've already done that. Is Mass Effect 4 going to be wholly populated by cyborgs, or not? Are the Reapers still a looming threat, or not? Were all inhabited worlds in systems with mass relays devastated by the destruction of the same, or have they simply been cut off, with many starving in a galactic dark age (the current best-case scenario)? The endings are, visually, almost identical, but just different enough that nothing can be built after it without Bioware choosing a single outcome as canon. Since they've already written themselves into that corner, what's the harm in giving fans a few more endings which will not be taken into account in future titles?

The reasons you mentioned are exactly why I demanded clarifications.

[Solmanian]

Zhuinden wrote...

Those who say if the storyline went diverse, I thought this game was meant to be a trilogy, and this would be the final part. It should end.

I think that considering the passion people are showing, alot of people don't desire the entire MEverse wiped from existence never to be seen again (which is the rational behind people demanding an ending in which the relays are ok, which I don't support).
Like a lot of people, I want ME4. I don't want Shepard to be its hero, it's time for new blood and I realy want to play a turian or krogan. Bioware itself said that ME3 is the ending of Shepard story, not the ending of Mass effect.

[-Skorpious-]

I am against a ME4. As of now, extending the storyline would have to make one of the three choices canon (making a end-game DLC pointless) and would further diminish the concept that the player "shapes" the Mass Effect universe through their choices and actions.

If Bioware must make a new Mass Effect game I hope that it ends up being a prequel or spin-off such as an RTS.

Modifié par -Skorpious-, 23 mars 2012 - 02:55 .

[BootyBamBoo]

Whoa WTF? I don't want some sort of 10 minute epilogue that explains the ending. No. Hell no, im not gonna buy that then. Gameplay has to be involved, and different mode scene's (happy,sad,mad,epic) At least 2h of gamepaly, 4h tops.