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[sth128]

That poll is legit because it's limited to people who actually know what Mass Effect is and have seen the ending.

Oh wait...

[anlk92]

blacqout wrote...

As Mordin would say: No proof, but theory fits evidence.

You posted a thread in which to rally the troops in order to manipulate an opinion poll. Several members admitted to finding ways to vote more than once. You are actively attempting to give your movement a bigger voice than it actually has... so why wouldn't you do similar things to bolster your numbers?

Do you think if people were making Retake seem bigger than it actually is you would be the only one to realize that? Don't you think Bioware would simply ignore all these people if that was the case.

Also OP posted this poll to a site dedicated to Bioware fanbase. He didn't post it to a secret ending haters group or anything. If an increase in BSN's participation in the poll altered the numbers in favor of Retake, it would only prove that actually experiencing the game does affect your opinion on this whole artistic integrity issue, leading the majority to think that the ending should be changed.

[brusher225]

Oh I see. You can vote as many times as you want. It's not a valid poll.

[blacqout]

Blarghonk wrote...

blacqout wrote...

coolbeans wrote...

blacqout wrote...

anlk92 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

You do not need to have played the game to have an opinion. It's not about the quality of the finale, and those of you complaining about the lack of a "yes, 'cause it sucks" option are an embarrassment to the Retake movement.

Yes you do. Because people who haven't played the game probably assumes that this whole thing is a result of fans not liking the way Bioware ended the series, when the truth is that it's about Bioware releasing a faulty, broken ending that contradicts previous promises made by them.

No, you don't. You may like to think of yourself as horribly misunderstood, but trust me when i say that anyone who follows gaming is intimately aware of your issues.

The first answer on the poll sums up your thoughts quite succinctly.

Anyway, thanks for posting this thread OP. It has proven that the Retake movement is full of poor readers and cheats.

Congrats, Sweeping statements make arguments good, right?

Enough people in this thread have shown themselves to be either stupid, or willing to manipulate opinion polls using underhanded tactics, to make my statement correct.

I didn't say that everyone in the movement was like you, but i have a big enough sample size to estimate that many are.

The bold could easily be said about either side, but thanks for prejudging every one on in a group because of some individuals. I've talked to pleny people on both sides that have had intelligent and compelling arguments.

No I do not want a "yes cus it sucks option" I want a "yes because they flat out lied about the ending" as demonstrated in the link in my sig. I still think they're trolling us and have already had the ending cut for dlc, but we'll fnd out in April, apparently.

And no they are not "intimately aware" of our issues as observed in posts by IGN and the likes. It has nothing to do with artistic integrity or the ending just being bad, atleast imho, but more about the promises they didn't deliver on.

You're most welcome... though i didn't "prejudge everyone". Stating that the movement is full of idiots and cheats isn't the same as saying that everyone in the movement is an idiot or a cheat. Words mean things.

Almost every gaming website has a comments section, which 'you people' make good use of. You go to ridiculous lengths to make your opinions heard, as this thread poves. Certain aspects of the media are misrepresenting the issue, but anyone that sees a youtube video or reads an article is bound to see user comments clarifying the view.

It's not a big mystery.

[stuka1000]

We are winning now by 2K votes

[Liber320]

brusher225 wrote...

Oh I see. You can vote as many times as you want. It's not a valid poll.

I tested that out, consecutive votes don't count.

"A vote from this IP address has already been submitted"

Modifié par Liber320, 22 mars 2012 - 06:40 .

[Pelle6666]

Not anymore they're not! X)

[Lanxerer]

anlk92 wrote...

These polls should also ask if the voter played the game or not, because if I haven't played it and thought all this was because of some people wanting a disney ending I would also vote no.

/quote
This pool is quite bad written in my opinion

[The Night Mammoth]

blacqout wrote...

Terumitsu wrote...

Another thing about the poll is that it is open to all people and not just those who played ME3. So, the data they are collecting is going to be skewed anyway based on the fact that any regular joe can hit a button. It is not representative of the groups it tries to, well, represent.

No. It's about the larger issue. You don't need to have played the game to have an opinion.

Certtainly not. 

But it makes your opinion a whole lot less constructive and valid than the opinion of someone who has. 

[blacqout]

anlk92 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

As Mordin would say: No proof, but theory fits evidence.

You posted a thread in which to rally the troops in order to manipulate an opinion poll. Several members admitted to finding ways to vote more than once. You are actively attempting to give your movement a bigger voice than it actually has... so why wouldn't you do similar things to bolster your numbers?

Do you think if people were making Retake seem bigger than it actually is you would be the only one to realize that? Don't you think Bioware would simply ignore all these people if that was the case.

Also OP posted this poll to a site dedicated to Bioware fanbase. He didn't post it to a secret ending haters group or anything. If an increase in BSN's participation in the poll altered the numbers in favor of Retake, it would only prove that actually experiencing the game does affect your opinion on this whole artistic integrity issue, leading the majority to think that the ending should be changed.

I'm incredibly perceptive, and something of a genius, so the answer to your fist question is yes.

You may have managed to pull the wool over BioWare's eyes, but i know what's going on and it becomes more obvious with each stunt.

And again - this poll is not specific to Mass Effect 3. The game is used as an example because of the controversy, but it's the large issue that the site is interested in. Your opinions are no more valid than those of someone that hasn't played the game.

All you're doing is manipulating another opinion poll.

[RedShft]

coolbeans wrote...

Results are a little squif as the poll has a few maye/probably options that when added to the definites balance out,  but come on guys, get clicking

www.gamefaqs.com/

I am sorry, that poll is bad. Not to mention the fact that Bioware has already acknowledged that they are reviewing feedback and are working on "future content initiatives". So this poll is irrelevant. 

[Jeb231]

blacqout wrote...

anlk92 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

As Mordin would say: No proof, but theory fits evidence.

You posted a thread in which to rally the troops in order to manipulate an opinion poll. Several members admitted to finding ways to vote more than once. You are actively attempting to give your movement a bigger voice than it actually has... so why wouldn't you do similar things to bolster your numbers?

Do you think if people were making Retake seem bigger than it actually is you would be the only one to realize that? Don't you think Bioware would simply ignore all these people if that was the case.

Also OP posted this poll to a site dedicated to Bioware fanbase. He didn't post it to a secret ending haters group or anything. If an increase in BSN's participation in the poll altered the numbers in favor of Retake, it would only prove that actually experiencing the game does affect your opinion on this whole artistic integrity issue, leading the majority to think that the ending should be changed.

I'm incredibly perceptive, and something of a genius, so the answer to your fist question is yes.

You may have managed to pull the wool over BioWare's eyes, but i know what's going on and it becomes more obvious with each stunt.

And again - this poll is not specific to Mass Effect 3. The game is used as an example because of the controversy, but it's the large issue that the site is interested in. Your opinions are no more valid than those of someone that hasn't played the game.

All you're doing is manipulating another opinion poll.

I'm sorry but the poll is specific to ME3. Else the question would be: Do you think a game company should change the ending of its game over fan feedback?

Modifié par Jeb231, 22 mars 2012 - 06:46 .

[Randalf84]

Statistically, most people who read that site have probably not played Mass Effect, and will simply see this as an "artistic integrity" question. Given this, its amazing we are anywhere near even.

[blacqout]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Terumitsu wrote...

Another thing about the poll is that it is open to all people and not just those who played ME3. So, the data they are collecting is going to be skewed anyway based on the fact that any regular joe can hit a button. It is not representative of the groups it tries to, well, represent.

No. It's about the larger issue. You don't need to have played the game to have an opinion.

Certtainly not. 

But it makes your opinion a whole lot less constructive and valid than the opinion of someone who has. 

No it doesn't. You don't need to have played a game in order to believe a developer's right to maintain creative control over its product is sacrosanct, or that the customer is always right.

[RedShft]

brusher225 wrote...

Oh I see. You can vote as many times as you want. It's not a valid poll.

Not exactly, the poll is bound to your IP address. However, it's laughably simple to get around that.

[blacqout]

Jeb231 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

anlk92 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

As Mordin would say: No proof, but theory fits evidence.

You posted a thread in which to rally the troops in order to manipulate an opinion poll. Several members admitted to finding ways to vote more than once. You are actively attempting to give your movement a bigger voice than it actually has... so why wouldn't you do similar things to bolster your numbers?

Do you think if people were making Retake seem bigger than it actually is you would be the only one to realize that? Don't you think Bioware would simply ignore all these people if that was the case.

Also OP posted this poll to a site dedicated to Bioware fanbase. He didn't post it to a secret ending haters group or anything. If an increase in BSN's participation in the poll altered the numbers in favor of Retake, it would only prove that actually experiencing the game does affect your opinion on this whole artistic integrity issue, leading the majority to think that the ending should be changed.

I'm incredibly perceptive, and something of a genius, so the answer to your fist question is yes.

You may have managed to pull the wool over BioWare's eyes, but i know what's going on and it becomes more obvious with each stunt.

And again - this poll is not specific to Mass Effect 3. The game is used as an example because of the controversy, but it's the large issue that the site is interested in. Your opinions are no more valid than those of someone that hasn't played the game.

All you're doing is manipulating another opinion poll.

I'm sorry but the poll is specific to ME3. Else the question would be: Do you think a game company should change the ending of its game over fan feedback?

Mass Effect 3 is used as an example because of the controversy. It's no different to a chat show using a current affair in order to discuss a specific issue.

So no apology required, as you're dead wrong.

[zennyrpg]

blacqout wrote...

The poll is about the larger principle. Should a developer alter their game because of a fan outcry.

Critical thinking obviously isn't that high among the Retake movement.

To
me this isn't black and white though. A developer shouldn't
necessarily change their game because of fan outcry. Fan outcry is a
good indicator, but its a symptom of a disease. The disease being a bad
game/ending/element of a game. If there is something wrong with a game
then yes, the developers should alter their game to be better.

It's
like a court trial. Should so and so go to jail because so and so said
they did such and such? Depends on if they were actually guilty. 
Should a game company change their game because of the fans? Depends on
if the game actually needs to be changed.

This poll does not have an answer that represents this view point and that is what most people are complaining about.

[Velocithon]

This means nothing.

So many people I hear who don't think they should change it don't even play ME. They just don't want to see fans getting their way.

If they actually played the game and saw how bad it is, they're opinion most likely would change.

[Dartbeast54q]

Yes, if it's what the users want, they should get it 35.25% 12547
Probably, a lot of players seem angry about it 12.92% 4600
Maybe, if they feel it's the best thing for the story 15.49% 5515
No, they shouldn't cave in to the fans' demands 7.63% 2716
Absolutely not, it's their story, and they decide how it ends 28.71% 10218
TOTAL VOTES 35596

Seems like we are winning to me at least.

[Kanon777]

lol @the "95%+ want the endings to change" argument. Even if you guys win this you have to admit now that youre not the "overwelming majority" anymore.

To me thats a win!!!

[Jeb231]

blacqout wrote...

Jeb231 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

anlk92 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

As Mordin would say: No proof, but theory fits evidence.

You posted a thread in which to rally the troops in order to manipulate an opinion poll. Several members admitted to finding ways to vote more than once. You are actively attempting to give your movement a bigger voice than it actually has... so why wouldn't you do similar things to bolster your numbers?

Do you think if people were making Retake seem bigger than it actually is you would be the only one to realize that? Don't you think Bioware would simply ignore all these people if that was the case.

Also OP posted this poll to a site dedicated to Bioware fanbase. He didn't post it to a secret ending haters group or anything. If an increase in BSN's participation in the poll altered the numbers in favor of Retake, it would only prove that actually experiencing the game does affect your opinion on this whole artistic integrity issue, leading the majority to think that the ending should be changed.

I'm incredibly perceptive, and something of a genius, so the answer to your fist question is yes.

You may have managed to pull the wool over BioWare's eyes, but i know what's going on and it becomes more obvious with each stunt.

And again - this poll is not specific to Mass Effect 3. The game is used as an example because of the controversy, but it's the large issue that the site is interested in. Your opinions are no more valid than those of someone that hasn't played the game.

All you're doing is manipulating another opinion poll.

I'm sorry but the poll is specific to ME3. Else the question would be: Do you think a game company should change the ending of its game over fan feedback?

Mass Effect 3 is used as an example because of the controversy. It's no different to a chat show using a current affair in order to discuss a specific issue.

So no apology required, as you're dead wrong.

The question is literally about mass effect. The interpretation of the question may differ. I know Gfaqs polls and they can be non specific when they want to.

[brian_breed]

If 75% of players said no, and 25% said yes, and if that 100% reflected those who have actually purchased Mass Effect 3, I GUARANTEE Bioware will revise the ending. 25% of your market sector is HUGE.

[Blarghonk]

blacqout wrote...

You're most welcome... though i didn't "prejudge everyone". Stating that the movement is full of idiots and cheats isn't the same as saying that everyone in the movement is an idiot or a cheat. Words mean things.

Almost every gaming website has a comments section, which 'you people' make good use of. You go to ridiculous lengths to make your opinions heard, as this thread poves. Certain aspects of the media are misrepresenting the issue, but anyone that sees a youtube video or reads an article is bound to see user comments clarifying the view.

It's not a big mystery.

That is assuming alot of things, like them actually reading the comments instead of just reading the article. And wile we are assuming things, I'll assume that when you say "You go to ridiculous lengths" you mean the movement as a whole, in which case the same could be said about the other side as well. Dunno why this thread proves it, all I see from the OP is that there is a poll there and we need to vote.

I would say that having the media misrepresenting things would be the other side going to extreme lengths do stop the retake movment. Meaning we would have to go to extreme lengths and use those comment sections to attemt to grab some attention because we are not IGN or the likes and a voice that isn't as loud. Though I know there are some that seem on the retake side, and a few that seem to have an opinion from a buisiness standpoint such as Forbes, but over all the people that you would expect to give decent and good reviews are flat out misleading.

Modifié par Blarghonk, 22 mars 2012 - 06:57 .

[pomrink]

Keep voting and soon yes will = both nos combined

[Velocithon]

tobito113 wrote...

lol @the "95%+ want the endings to change" argument. Even if you guys win this you have to admit now that youre not the "overwelming majority" anymore.

To me thats a win!!!

Those numbers mean nothing.

The polls here, in the BSN, matter. And there, 95% want change.

That poll has people who never played the game before voting. People who just visited and voted simply because they don't want fans getting their way, or because they think they should. It's a poor poll in a poor location.

It would be better if it was:

Played game, change ending
Played game, don't change ending.
Didn't play game, change ending.
Didn't play game, don't change ending.