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[Kanon777]

Guys that dosent mean Bioware wont do what you want, but the argument that everyone hates the endings is pretty much useless now.

[blacqout]

Jeb231 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Jeb231 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

anlk92 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

As Mordin would say: No proof, but theory fits evidence.

You posted a thread in which to rally the troops in order to manipulate an opinion poll. Several members admitted to finding ways to vote more than once. You are actively attempting to give your movement a bigger voice than it actually has... so why wouldn't you do similar things to bolster your numbers?

Do you think if people were making Retake seem bigger than it actually is you would be the only one to realize that? Don't you think Bioware would simply ignore all these people if that was the case.

Also OP posted this poll to a site dedicated to Bioware fanbase. He didn't post it to a secret ending haters group or anything. If an increase in BSN's participation in the poll altered the numbers in favor of Retake, it would only prove that actually experiencing the game does affect your opinion on this whole artistic integrity issue, leading the majority to think that the ending should be changed.

I'm incredibly perceptive, and something of a genius, so the answer to your fist question is yes.

You may have managed to pull the wool over BioWare's eyes, but i know what's going on and it becomes more obvious with each stunt.

And again - this poll is not specific to Mass Effect 3. The game is used as an example because of the controversy, but it's the large issue that the site is interested in. Your opinions are no more valid than those of someone that hasn't played the game.

All you're doing is manipulating another opinion poll.

I'm sorry but the poll is specific to ME3. Else the question would be: Do you think a game company should change the ending of its game over fan feedback?

Mass Effect 3 is used as an example because of the controversy. It's no different to a chat show using a current affair in order to discuss a specific issue.

So no apology required, as you're dead wrong.

The question is literally about mass effect. The interpretation of the question may differ. I know Gfaqs polls and they can be non specific when they want to.

Nope. It's clear from the way the answers focus on fan versus developer rights to the story, and notthe actual quality, that this is about the bigger principle and not specific to ME3.

Obviously, the issue is only being discussed because of the Mass Effect controversy, but the poll is clearly not about Mass Effect 3.

[Blarghonk]

Velocithon wrote...

tobito113 wrote...

lol @the "95%+ want the endings to change" argument. Even if you guys win this you have to admit now that youre not the "overwelming majority" anymore.

To me thats a win!!!

Those numbers mean nothing.

The polls here, in the BSN, matter. And there, 95% want change.

That poll has people who never played the game before voting. People who just visited and voted simply because they don't want fans getting their way, or because they think they should. It's a poor poll in a poor location.

It would be better if it was:

Played game, change ending
Played game, don't change ending.
Didn't play game, change ending.
Didn't play game, don't change ending.

Bah the polls here aren't really that accurate, atleast from what I've seen, you can vote multiple times.

Though those poll options would be better.

[SoniZero]

Notice the poll doesn't ask whether you liked or disliked the ending. It simply asks if you think they should change it. I'm sure there are people out there that disliked the ending but do not want Bioware to change it for whatever reason.

[Janus382]

If you count the top two options as YES and split the middle option in half, votes for changing the ending are at 56.06%, roughly, as of right now.

As I've said in other threads about this, the amount of NO votes isn't surprising. Most of the people who haven't played the game/series would probably vote NO. I would have voted "no" or "indifferent", but then I finished the game. It's a "you had to be there" kind of situation.

Not to mention the poll does suck... the options aren't worded appropriately, and there is no "I don't care" option.

[TheKingofRedLions]

HOLD THE LINE.

[Unit-Alpha]

I guarantee that most of the people voting against it never played ME3.

[The Night Mammoth]

blacqout wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Terumitsu wrote...

Another thing about the poll is that it is open to all people and not just those who played ME3. So, the data they are collecting is going to be skewed anyway based on the fact that any regular joe can hit a button. It is not representative of the groups it tries to, well, represent.

No. It's about the larger issue. You don't need to have played the game to have an opinion.

Certtainly not. 

But it makes your opinion a whole lot less constructive and valid than the opinion of someone who has. 

No it doesn't. You don't need to have played a game in order to believe a developer's right to maintain creative control over its product is sacrosanct, or that the customer is always right.

I'd agree, if this poll didn't refer to Mass Effect, or if it were released in say..... January 2005

It's not like that though. I'd rather people who haven't played the game refrain from commenting on whether Bioware do something about a situation that doesn't concern them. 

[Kanon777]

SoniZero wrote...

Notice the poll doesn't ask whether you liked or disliked the ending. It simply asks if you think they should change it. I'm sure there are people out there that disliked the ending but do not want Bioware to change it for whatever reason.

And there are people like me who liked the ending but WANT to see if Bioware can even do something even better.

[MattFini]

tobito113 wrote...

Guys that dosent mean Bioware wont do what you want, but the argument that everyone hates the endings is pretty much useless now.

It's not.  

That poll is useless one way or the other.

And after yesterday's media ****storm, there's a lot more awareness outside of ME players.  People, on both sides, are voting out of spite. 

[Unit-Alpha]

tobito113 wrote...

Guys that dosent mean Bioware wont do what you want, but the argument that everyone hates the endings is pretty much useless now.

Lol, that's really valid.

No, it's not. People who have actually played the game support a better ending by a large majority.

If I had heard this about MGS4, I would have said absolutely not, too.

I didn't play MGS4.

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 22 mars 2012 - 07:04 .

[Zulufoxtrot]

Only the last two options run counter to changing, the first three either support it or would be okay with it and those thee combined outweigh the last two combined.

[asyntheticdesign]

Its a gamefaqs poll........where EVERYONE can vote regardless if theyve played the game or not.

and its a poll that doesnt require registered users to vote..

In other words, a voter could be refreshing their IP and voting nonstop and causing the polls to sway one way or the other if there are enough people cheating the system.

The poll is invalid.

[FyreFlyeRush]

Maybe I'm confused, because what I see is 64% in favor and 36% against.

[cg8900]

we're winning now

[Jae510]

 Gamefaq polls are notoriously terrible, this one is no different.

[The Night Mammoth]

It's still a disingenuous poll. The questions are leading, as I mentioned before.

The fans don't want a mandatory change. They want additional optional DLC. It's a real shame some people don't understand that.

This poll only refers to the former.

[taelus.calimshan]

Voted

[blacqout]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

blacqout wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Terumitsu wrote...

Another thing about the poll is that it is open to all people and not just those who played ME3. So, the data they are collecting is going to be skewed anyway based on the fact that any regular joe can hit a button. It is not representative of the groups it tries to, well, represent.

No. It's about the larger issue. You don't need to have played the game to have an opinion.

Certtainly not. 

But it makes your opinion a whole lot less constructive and valid than the opinion of someone who has. 

No it doesn't. You don't need to have played a game in order to believe a developer's right to maintain creative control over its product is sacrosanct, or that the customer is always right.

I'd agree, if this poll didn't refer to Mass Effect, or if it were released in say..... January 2005

It's not like that though. I'd rather people who haven't played the game refrain from commenting on whether Bioware do something about a situation that doesn't concern them. 

Well, the bad news is that you're wrong. The good news is that if you can find enough to people to agree with you and whine loudly enough, you might be able to retake the GameFAQ poll.

It should be obvious that Mass Effect is mentioned because of the current controversy. It's the only reason the issue is being discussed at all.

[Jeb231]

blacqout wrote...

Jeb231 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Jeb231 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

anlk92 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

As Mordin would say: No proof, but theory fits evidence.

You posted a thread in which to rally the troops in order to manipulate an opinion poll. Several members admitted to finding ways to vote more than once. You are actively attempting to give your movement a bigger voice than it actually has... so why wouldn't you do similar things to bolster your numbers?

Do you think if people were making Retake seem bigger than it actually is you would be the only one to realize that? Don't you think Bioware would simply ignore all these people if that was the case.

Also OP posted this poll to a site dedicated to Bioware fanbase. He didn't post it to a secret ending haters group or anything. If an increase in BSN's participation in the poll altered the numbers in favor of Retake, it would only prove that actually experiencing the game does affect your opinion on this whole artistic integrity issue, leading the majority to think that the ending should be changed.

I'm incredibly perceptive, and something of a genius, so the answer to your fist question is yes.

You may have managed to pull the wool over BioWare's eyes, but i know what's going on and it becomes more obvious with each stunt.

And again - this poll is not specific to Mass Effect 3. The game is used as an example because of the controversy, but it's the large issue that the site is interested in. Your opinions are no more valid than those of someone that hasn't played the game.

All you're doing is manipulating another opinion poll.

I'm sorry but the poll is specific to ME3. Else the question would be: Do you think a game company should change the ending of its game over fan feedback?

Mass Effect 3 is used as an example because of the controversy. It's no different to a chat show using a current affair in order to discuss a specific issue.

So no apology required, as you're dead wrong.

The question is literally about mass effect. The interpretation of the question may differ. I know Gfaqs polls and they can be non specific when they want to.

Nope. It's clear from the way the answers focus on fan versus developer rights to the story, and notthe actual quality, that this is about the bigger principle and not specific to ME3.

Obviously, the issue is only being discussed because of the Mass Effect controversy, but the poll is clearly not about Mass Effect 3.

I don't understand how you can be arguing this. the question isn't 'in the light of ME3's ending, do you think a game company should change the ending of its game due to fan feedback?'

The poll is flawed because people who have played ME3 will take the question at face value while others will consider the art vs product issue instead and there is no way of knowing which percentage is which.

[Corrik Ronis]

Poor quality poll with very weighted choices.

Hold the line.

[Ilzairspar]

cg8900 wrote...

we're winning now

yep!  The top and bottom choices are a difference of slight less than 3000 votes now.  pretty big difference from the 5 votes it was last night.

Modifié par Ilzairspar, 22 mars 2012 - 07:10 .

[Wowlock]

This is another ''trick'' polls that try to show us as ''minority''....sadly they don't even know how their options also favor us. And I believe that when people who didn't play the game vote on these polls , they become irrelevant. It is hard to know how many but for this much NO , that would be my only explaination.

[blacqout]

Jeb231 wrote...

I don't understand how you can be arguing this.

It's because i can read properly.

[Team Vernia]

Yeah, crappy poll. People who haven't played the game see us as crazy. They shouldn't be allowed to vote since they are not the audience. If I know nothing of the games I would vote against changing the ending as well... but I know better now.