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[Overule]

Anaki86 wrote...

Overule wrote...

Anaki86 wrote...

Icemix wrote...

Anaki86 wrote...

I enjoyed the endings. I will also enjoy any ending DLC that Bioware will produce.

Why? I would like to see your POV.

One of the things that I liked about the endings was that the three choices were not merely paragon/renegade choices. As I saw it each choice could be justified for either a paragon or renegade character based on the players own personal viewpoint. For example, one of my friends chose Destroy for his paragon whereas I chose Synthesis for mine. After talking we discovered that our Renegade characters would be the oposite: Synthesis for his and Destroy for mine.

If you have any particular aspects of the end just ask and I'll give you my POV.

So you like that the choices were completely out of left field and can work for any Shepard? Not trying to belittle you, but that's what I'm hearing...

Haha, I don't think you're belittling me. It's a good question. Actually I would only argue that the Synthesis ending came out of left field. The entire game we were looking for a way to destroy the Reapers and T.I.M. was looking for a way to control them. So those two made a lot of sense to me. And yes, I liked that (depending on your POV) each ending could work for a Shepard of any alignment. 

Alright here's why that argument bothers me: there shouldn't be endings that work any kind of Shepard. Bioware kept on promising us a variety of unique endings, but they wrapped up the series in a fashion that leaves the galaxy at large basically unchanged. No matter your alignment/readiness you die (even if you like the options presented, making death a certainty for all of them was a bad idea), galactic society slows to a crawl or becomes completely static (all FTL travel has been crippled) and we never learn what happened to any characters or species we've grown attached to over the years.

[NukeZen]

I like the end because if fit well with the rest of the trilogy, because it dont explain everything, because it leve a lot of plot holes ready to be filled in further explansions/games. And i like it cause is epic.

[GiarcYekrub]

social.bioware.com/1232408/blog/212056

Modifié par GiarcYekrub, 22 mars 2012 - 06:03 .

[Moondoggie]

Personally as a fan of old sci-fi books i enjoyed that kind of ending. I never like everything to be wrapped up in a neat little package and explained to be slowly i like endings as i like art. I want it to challenge me and make me think about possibilities. The ending did that for me. I liked it.

[NukeZen]

And more the anything, i like the end because is NOT an end. Means biowere in the end, LISTEN the fans and plas somthing to go after mass effect 3, as every one of us really wish.

[He4vyMet4l]

Not one of those who liked the ending care for the plot holes?

[djarlaks10]

He4vyMet4l wrote...

Not one of those who liked the ending care for the plot holes?

Nope, because there are cool different-colored explosions!!!!
See, you can have a green explosion, a red explosion and MORE. So many choices!

[Ket-Bo]

He4vyMet4l wrote...

Not one of those who liked the ending care for the plot holes?

I know i didn't.

[The Razman]

Overule wrote...

Alright here's why that argument bothers me: there shouldn't be endings that work any kind of Shepard. Bioware kept on promising us a variety of unique endings, but they wrapped up the series in a fashion that leaves the galaxy at large basically unchanged.

... what game were you playing, exactly ...?

[DouLou]

djarlaks10 wrote...

He4vyMet4l wrote...

Not one of those who liked the ending care for the plot holes?

Nope, because there are cool different-colored explosions!!!!
See, you can have a green explosion, a red explosion and MORE. So many choices!

People who say this miss the point. Yes, the endings LOOK similar (the CGI budget has a limit y'know), but the three choices still have massively different implications for the galaxy.

I like it because the choices were epic and changed the fate of the galaxy, I got to say my goodbyes to everyone and I have enough imagination in me to rationalise that Joker picked up my crew on Earth whilst I was with the Catalyst before escaping once he saw the Relays starting to go bang.

[Shizly]

How the ending felt to me (quote from Reddit.com/r/gaming):

It's like if the Harry Potter books, all just wrapped up after all of
that buildup with Voldemort giving up and Team America swooping in and
saying that everyone is under arrest for terrorism

The ending itself isn't that bad. I thought the ending itself was very good. Only it didn't was a "real" Mass Effect ending.

BW promised that your choices mater, but they don't. There where a couple of major choices in ME1, and BW just ignored what you did.
BW promised that there would be a lot of different endings. There ain't. There are only 3, what sounds but the only difference is a other cut scene. And you choose what you are going to do, literally in the last 2 minutes.
BW promised that MP wasn't necessary to get the best ending, but it is. For the "best" ending you need a lot of EWA (Effective War Assets) and almost full Par/Neg, or even more EWA.
BW promised that all the plot holes would be answered, but they gave us more. They isn't a single question really answered, only partly. And that gives us even more questions.

And that the problem with the ending. It was good, but we didn't get what we where promised and got the ending of a different game.

Modifié par Shizly, 22 mars 2012 - 06:19 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Overule wrote...

None of them will ever be able to explain in detail without drawing inane comparisons between Mass Effect and various movie/book franchises that are nothing like it.

What do you even think Mass Effect is? Do you want to be reminded of the industry definition of games are including ME3? Entertainment. If people see it as such and their expectations for it match that description who do you think you are to say they are wrong. You have not invested more money in Bioware than many of those who like Mass Effect 3, you have not been around and present here or even probably a fan as long as some of those same people, you have no right to belittle their enjoyment just because of your own personal preference with what you gain enjoyment from. If you do not like it then fair enough but don't belittle those who do like it who are within their right as people who have paid the same amount for the product as you and may of been fans of Biowares and invested more into Bioware than yourself.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 22 mars 2012 - 06:27 .

[DouLou]

He4vyMet4l wrote...

Not one of those who liked the ending care for the plot holes?

Holes in the plot that can be filled with my own imagination do NOT bother me.

Joker came to Earth and rescued my crew when I was with the Catalyst then escaped the Relays. There. That's one of them I see thrown about. I'll attempt to handle more if you wish.

[DouLou]

The Razman wrote...

Overule wrote...

Alright here's why that argument bothers me: there shouldn't be endings that work any kind of Shepard. Bioware kept on promising us a variety of unique endings, but they wrapped up the series in a fashion that leaves the galaxy at large basically unchanged.

... what game were you playing, exactly ...?

I do wonder... I do wonder....

I'm not saying it's perfect and I respect anyones decision to not like the ending as much as I wish for them to respect I do like it. However there are definately complains being thrown around which are very silly.

[kalle90]

Well, it could have been way worse.

Get into the Citadel, try to push Doomsday-button, (Fight Big Boss), Push the button, Win, Party, Credits. That would have been way lamer.

[Reikilea]

Moondoggie wrote...

Personally as a fan of old sci-fi books i enjoyed that kind of ending. I never like everything to be wrapped up in a neat little package and explained to be slowly i like endings as i like art. I want it to challenge me and make me think about possibilities. The ending did that for me. I liked it.

Actually, I also like old scifi books and I've spends years writing about art cinema and praising open endings (and how I love to argue about how US and their love for a three act structure sucs).

However, my thoughts are kind of neutral, I get what Bioware wanted to say (in order to preserve peace you need to sacrifice much more), but they just didnt do it in a right way. Even Haneke films made more sence .  

There was something else missing. Or something was just too forced. I can rationalise that kid talk, but there is the fact, that after he stopped talking, he left me confused - about what am I supposed to do now? so I accidentaly ended up with symbiosis ending. (which is the only one I really dislike because of the forced plot and little cliched story drive based on a human/robot romance made specially for this ending).

For me games ends in the moment Shepard chooses the option...
However, with a few changes, it would be great ending..

Modifié par Reikilea, 22 mars 2012 - 06:26 .

[Dragoonlordz]

DouLou wrote...

He4vyMet4l wrote...

Not one of those who liked the ending care for the plot holes?

Holes in the plot that can be filled with my own imagination do NOT bother me.

Joker came to Earth and rescued my crew when I was with the Catalyst then escaped the Relays. There. That's one of them I see thrown about. I'll attempt to handle more if you wish.

Don't feel required to fill in their blanks with our personal opinions via our imagination if they lack their own as they will just turn around and say "No" because they don't agree with it yet we put more effort into coming up with solutions than they did. Or they will rant about how should not use imaginations in games in which case they clearly have not been a member of these forums long as half the topics ever created deal with imagination about content within the franchise on here, what things mean and why things happen. Plot holes and imagination has always gone hand in hand in Biowares franchise including ME1 + ME2. Also remember we can't go into spoilers here as it is in the non spoiler section. That has been my ovewhelming experience with those who make such statements as shown in this thread.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 22 mars 2012 - 06:28 .

[djarlaks10]

DouLou wrote...

djarlaks10 wrote...

He4vyMet4l wrote...

Not one of those who liked the ending care for the plot holes?

Nope, because there are cool different-colored explosions!!!!
See, you can have a green explosion, a red explosion and MORE. So many choices!

People who say this miss the point. Yes, the endings LOOK similar (the CGI budget has a limit y'know), but the three choices still have massively different implications for the galaxy.

I like it because the choices were epic and changed the fate of the galaxy, I got to say my goodbyes to everyone and I have enough imagination in me to rationalise that Joker picked up my crew on Earth whilst I was with the Catalyst before escaping once he saw the Relays starting to go bang.

So how did Joker knew that the relays were "starting to go bang"? Does he have a camera on my Shep's shoulder or something? Even if does have a camera, how does he manage to fly to Earth from orbit, pick my squaddies and get to Charon relay in like 20 minutes max?
Also, choices were epic? Hm, let me think of my favourite way of killing everyone : do I want to screw everyone by turning them into cyborgs or just destroy geth or delay said genocide? Doesn't matter, and guess why? Because the mass relays are destroyed! So yeah, so epic choices.

[Icemix]

DouLou wrote...

He4vyMet4l wrote...

Not one of those who liked the ending care for the plot holes?

Holes in the plot that can be filled with my own imagination do NOT bother me.

Joker came to Earth and rescued my crew when I was with the Catalyst then escaped the Relays. There. That's one of them I see thrown about. I'll attempt to handle more if you wish.

First, there shouldn't be any plot holes. Second, if there are plot holes, you shouldn't have to be forced to fill them up on your own. And last but by all means not least, do you honestly belive that any of Shepards crew would abandon him in the climax of the fight and just run for their lives? I don't know which game you have been playing all these years, but it is clearly established that the Normandy and all of its knew is fully dedicated to Shepard, even if it costs them their lives.

Modifié par Icemix, 22 mars 2012 - 06:29 .

[He4vyMet4l]

DouLou wrote...

He4vyMet4l wrote...

Not one of those who liked the ending care for the plot holes?

Holes in the plot that can be filled with my own imagination do NOT bother me.

Joker came to Earth and rescued my crew when I was with the Catalyst then escaped the Relays. There. That's one of them I see thrown about. I'll attempt to handle more if you wish.

That is an answer that I have no answer for.

You are saying don't change the ending, because I can fill all holes with my imagination. I can as well, but that takes away the responibility from the choices you made, and face them.

[djarlaks10]

kalle90 wrote...

Well, it could have been way worse.

Get into the Citadel, try to push Doomsday-button, (Fight Big Boss), Push the button, Win, Party, Credits. That would have been way lamer.

Yes, because having an option (remember, we were promised different endings based on our choices) for a happy ending makes you totally non-cool in your friends' eyes huh?

[Anaki86]

Overule wrote...

Anaki86 wrote...

Overule wrote...

Anaki86 wrote...

Icemix wrote...

Anaki86 wrote...

I enjoyed the endings. I will also enjoy any ending DLC that Bioware will produce.

Why? I would like to see your POV.

One of the things that I liked about the endings was that the three choices were not merely paragon/renegade choices. As I saw it each choice could be justified for either a paragon or renegade character based on the players own personal viewpoint. For example, one of my friends chose Destroy for his paragon whereas I chose Synthesis for mine. After talking we discovered that our Renegade characters would be the oposite: Synthesis for his and Destroy for mine.

If you have any particular aspects of the end just ask and I'll give you my POV.

So you like that the choices were completely out of left field and can work for any Shepard? Not trying to belittle you, but that's what I'm hearing...

Haha, I don't think you're belittling me. It's a good question. Actually I would only argue that the Synthesis ending came out of left field. The entire game we were looking for a way to destroy the Reapers and T.I.M. was looking for a way to control them. So those two made a lot of sense to me. And yes, I liked that (depending on your POV) each ending could work for a Shepard of any alignment. 

Alright here's why that argument bothers me: there shouldn't be endings that work any kind of Shepard. Bioware kept on promising us a variety of unique endings, but they wrapped up the series in a fashion that leaves the galaxy at large basically unchanged. No matter your alignment/readiness you die (even if you like the options presented, making death a certainty for all of them was a bad idea), galactic society slows to a crawl or becomes completely static (all FTL travel has been crippled) and we never learn what happened to any characters or species we've grown attached to over the years.

Bioware did promise unique endings and with that I'd say they only delivered 50%. The cutscenes at the end are pretty much the same which is a complete shame. And even though I liked the choices at the end there are some things that I would change, for instance I don't think I would destroy the Relay network following either the Control or Synthesis options and I wouldn't have Shepard die in every senario.

I also stated in my original post that I wuld enjoy any ending DLC that Bioware will make. I definitely want some answers.

That being said I would argue your point that the galaxy at large is unchanged. If anything each option drastically changes the state of the galaxy into something vastly different than it was before.  

[The Razman]

djarlaks10 wrote...

kalle90 wrote...

Well, it could have been way worse.

Get into the Citadel, try to push Doomsday-button, (Fight Big Boss), Push the button, Win, Party, Credits. That would have been way lamer.

Yes, because having an option (remember, we were promised different endings based on our choices) for a happy ending makes you totally non-cool in your friends' eyes huh?

http://social.biowar.../index/10322807

[Overule]

The Razman wrote...

Overule wrote...

Alright here's why that argument bothers me: there shouldn't be endings that work any kind of Shepard. Bioware kept on promising us a variety of unique endings, but they wrapped up the series in a fashion that leaves the galaxy at large basically unchanged.

... what game were you playing, exactly ...?

The one where the ultimate fate of the galaxy is to fate out into a credits screen followed by a brief and destructive lightshow. Also well done quoting one part of a larger post out of context and using it to defame someone's integrity.