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[Skyhawk02]

James_Raynor wrote...

Gamespot said your choices mattered, when they in fact did quite little.

People do realize that at the end of their real lives they will never know how their decisions affected anyone after they are dead, right?  It doesn't mean their decisions didn't have an impact, you just don't get to know exactly what it is.  This is how I see the ME3 ending, the game doesn't tell me exactly what happens, but that doesn't mean stuff doesn't happen.

[KreeCapt]

Aetius5 wrote...

Gamespot has a long history of selling out. I don't browse there even to see news on video games, let alone reviews or their opinions on anything?

Gamespot, IGN you name it. I steer clear of them.

Let's face it, you have to sell out to a degree to be a successful business. BioWare isn't a "Starving Artist" on principle. They provide a product for the masses that is an interactive medium that is "artful" , but never can be true art because of the consumer interactivity.

[Eulalia Danae]

An artist's vision changes rapidly and often throughout the creative process and even after it. The idea that it's in this frozen state is clearly from someone who doesn't participate in creative work very often.

The ME3 endings violate basic rules of the craft. And maybe that's what they wanted, but I find it very hard to believe that anyone would purposely create bad art because it's their "vision." I can see it happening because of a rushed deadline, because a lot of us have to deal with that all the time, but never because of "vision." And as an artist, I have to say I stand by the right to edit my work if I so please, and you non-artists can suck it with your "it violate artistic integrity." If you even understand what that means from the get go.

[Demon Velsper]

There's a kind of irony in Gamespot calling anyone spineless considering they once fired a guy for writing a review that said the game was bad after EA complained.

[MoldySpore]

KreeCapt wrote...

Gamespot, IGN you name it. I steer clear of them.

Agreed. About the only "main stream" game reviewer I take seriously is PC Gamer.

The reviews I find most enjoyable are always Zero Punctuation's reviews though.

[inversevideo]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

BioWare putting itself in a better position to make money = selling out? Sounds more a like a growing company that will be around a long time.

This.

If the replay value, of an otherwise excellent game, is soured , due to a bad ending, then future profits, from DLC, from folks who use real money to make purchases in multiplayer, is jeopardized.

[onelifecrisis]

OutlawTorn6806 wrote...

My favorite ones:

Kevin VanOrd‏: 
The Internet accused Bioware of selling out. Then, it demanded Bioware sell out. Congratulations, Internet: you got what you wanted. 

Brendan Sinclair:
So if the government comes knocking, games are art. But when we hate the ending, they're products and the customer is always right. Got it. 

Odd that you picked those two as favourites.

The internet stated it's belief that BW was a "sell out", and then later acted on that belief. That's not hypocrisy; it's actually quite the opposite.

And as for the art/product thing, I'm not even sure what Brendan Sinclair is trying to say. Or anyone else banging on about games being art. What difference does it make if it's art? The creator can still change it.

For the record I don't support this whole "change the ending!" movement, but nor do I agree with these pretentious paper-thin throwaway objections to it.

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 23 mars 2012 - 03:11 .

[abaris]

Well, isn't it the purpose of any industry to sell out?

Games are produced to be bought and not to be put on display at the Guggenheim. While this would be interesting and certainly please Andy Warhole, I imagine the shareholders would be less than pleased by that.

So all this artsy fartsy talk falls short of the naked fact that a game production wouldn't even take place without the expectation to make lots of money selling the finished product. And for selling it takes an audience willing to buy.

[KreeCapt]

onelifecrisis wrote...

OutlawTorn6806 wrote...

My favorite ones:

Kevin VanOrd‏: 
The Internet accused Bioware of selling out. Then, it demanded Bioware sell out. Congratulations, Internet: you got what you wanted. 

Brendan Sinclair:
So if the government comes knocking, games are art. But when we hate the ending, they're products and the customer is always right. Got it. 

Odd that you picked those two as favourites.

The internet stated it's belief that BW was a "sell out", and then later acted on that belief. That's not hypocrisy; it's actually quite the opposite.

And as for the art/product thing, I'm not even sure what Brendan Sinclair is trying to say. Or anyone else banging on about games being art. What difference does it make if it's art? The creator can still change it.

For the record I don't support this whole "change the ending!" movement, but nor do I agree with these pretentious paper-thin throwaway objections to it.

George Lucas changes his Star Wars all the time. Just saying

[PrinceLionheart]

Demon Velsper wrote...

There's a kind of irony in Gamespot calling anyone spineless considering they once fired a guy for writing a review that said the game was bad after EA complained.

It was actually Eidos Interactive, not EA. Same principle though, Gamespot caved to their benefactors' demands.

[Quotheraving]

Yeah well Gamespot have managed to sink to a new low in my estimation,but for me the real kick in the nuts was Penny Arcade.

Am I the only one who is left wondering if the closure of the retake mass effect CHARITY drive by PA was less to do with people thinking it was a fund for new dlc, and more to do with PA being obvious Bioware butthuggers?

Modifié par Quotheraving, 24 mars 2012 - 12:18 .

[ZLurps]

Hahaha, IGN / GameSpot folks talked themself into corner, messed up **** folllows. Man this is awesome! >