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[Dragoonlordz]

Overule wrote...

How is working to please the masses "selling out"...? That's the exact opposite of selling out. Selling out would mean ignoring us to please big business...

So you have no problems and like that they added multiplayer to your single player role playing game in order to appeal to larger audience? You liked that they tried to attract a larger audience with anime show and anime inspired figurines? You liked that they had the fans choose by voting on FemShep appearance and liked that they potentially streamlined any elements you may have enjoyed  in the game to appeal to more casual but larger audience aka meta-gaming?

If your answer is no to all or any of those then be prepared to take a good long look in the mirror and think about what that says about you and your stance with regard to the ending. I don't think I will need to use the word that you must realise exists for those in such a position though it begins with a "H".

Personally I have no problem with those elements.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 22 mars 2012 - 05:40 .

[Aetius5]

Gamespot has a long history of selling out. I don't browse there even to see news on video games, let alone reviews or their opinions on anything?

[naledgeborn is back]

The PLC wrote...

They gave it a 9..

naledgeborn is back wrote...

Aww, so gamespot is mad at BioWare for admitting their game is less than close to perfect after gamespot gave it a close to perfect score. Ok, Kevin and Brendan, I gotcha.

 

FIFY

[admcmei]

This "art" argument is touching heights so ridiculous that I'm just... amazed. To be so convinced of it I'm guessing you must be so used to consume mainstream popcorn products that you just give too much credit to the "art" label and are excessively excited to classify something you love as such. Everything can be art and nothing can be art, art can be valid and art can just suck, it's a HUGE discussion, and most of all being art doesn't make anything untouchable, on the contrary if you wanna be labeled an artist you have to be extra open to criticism, even, especially what we're calling the "destructive" kind. It's embarassing to watch, people just look ignorant for how excited they are by applying a meaningless label, please stop it for your own sake. Also, your posts are filled with such viciousness towards the retakeME people that it just makes you look even worse.

[Father_Jerusalem]

"Tom Mc Shea ‏ @TomMcShea
Bioware is the only developer brilliant enough to create Mass Effect and the only one spineless enough to cave under fan pressure."

Damn, brutal.

[catofnine]

Christ. Somebody please point out where Bioware has explicitly said "as per fan requests, we're going to change the ending"? Last pr statement gave nothing even resembling that to angry fans. In fact it was impressive in terms of how little was actually said.

All I see out of the "games media" and some players' responses is a whole lot of jumping the gun in terms of what Bioware is actually going to deliver.

[RocketManSR2]

I will add that calling a company spineless because they might try to do something to make their core fanbase happy is pretty stupid. Especially since they won't be caving in to demands, as someone else pointed out, they will most likely compromise on the ending issue. That still won't be good enough for some, but tough s***. That's all you're going to get.

[Dragoonlordz]

The PLC wrote...

Wise Men wrote...

I posted this in another forum earlier:
_______________________________________________________
I hope Bioware changes the endings because then I can start a petition to get the endings of other games changed that I didn't like.

For example:

1. Splinter Cell Conviction (The ending was too sad. I wanted Sam to return to the agency and after playing the Spinter Cell series for 5 games, I deserve to have the ending I want because I am so invested in the character).
2. Heavy Rain (They promised my choices would determine the endings and it's interactive, so I should be able to create the ending I want. I wanted an ending where the mother was the serial killer not the one they game me)
3. Alan Wake, Flower, and Journey (to vague...not enough details...no clear answers or closure...too many plot holes).
4. Super Mario Brothers (after all of that, all I get is a "thank you" from the princess c'mon what a letdown!)
5. Uncharted 1 and 2 (they added a magical or supernatural aspect to it at the very end. I didn't like that. It's inconsistent with the world)
6. Halo 3 (They promised that I was going to "Finish the Fight" but they lied because now they are making Halo 4.)

Anyway let's hope Bioware changes Mass Effect 3's ending, because I have a long list of games that could benefit from this precedent.

I agree with all those. I would also like if Rockstar could change the ending to Red Dead Redemption, because I really liked Jack Marston. Oh, and the same with GTA IV. That ending was too sad for me. 

Maybe everyone can remove Mario from Nintendo's titles too because he is a plumber instead of a stripper!....

At this stage I think the fan(ataics) have gone too far. None of what they did was needed to have future DLC address their problems. Bioware has always released DLC based on polite and reasonable feedback to their titles. The movement and group has only damaged the perception of the fanbase not actual change in the product that would have added (additional new) DLC to resolve peoples problems and issues in the first place based on any polite and respectable feedback instead of threats, fearmongering, financial and emotional blackmail, filing FTC complaints, using vitriol, hyperbole, disdain and bile in their responses.

Well done fan(atics) you have done nothing but damage everyones perception of Bioware fans and Bioware.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 22 mars 2012 - 05:50 .

[lokiarchetype]

"Don't give in to their demands, give in to my demands! Stop being spineless!"

[sillyrobot]

ArthurBDD wrote...

sillyrobot wrote...

It's like these guys don't understand how other mass-appeal art works -- they all go through this. Look at Bladerunner for a blatant and egregious example of change or Brazil for a massively altered ending.

Well, Blade Runner or Brazil the altered endings were terrible and the Director's Cut is generally held to be definitive.

A better example would be something like Fallout 3... and weirdly, I don't remember any of these people complaining when Broken Steel came out.

As the mods have been saying: complaining about complaints isn't productive. That's true even if you're Gamespot.

There've been 7 different versions of Blade Runner.  Th first was recut due to negative test reviews.

[Femlob]

The man of myth wrote...

tobito113 wrote...

Overule wrote...

How is working to please the masses "selling out"...? That's the exact opposite of selling out. Selling out would mean ignoring us to please big business...

Selling out means that they will compromise their principles to apease someone else. Their money comes from the fans too so caving to you might look like "selling out" for "plenty"(xD) of people.

Im neutral on this, i dont dislike the endings but im glad Bioware will do something about it just to make this forums more tolerable...

Bioware should shut these forums down and tell their "fans" to F off. These clowns will be back for their next release. You know it and I know it.

Tell your fans to fuck off.

Right.

Riiiiight.

[Mox Ruuga]

lokiarchetype wrote...

"Don't give in to their demands, give in to my demands! Stop being spineless!"

Heh.

In any case, the so-called game journalists from sites like IGN and Gamespot have shown themselves for the pitiful isolated individuals they are by their pathetic fanbaiting and laughable attempts at standing up for "artistic integrity".

The dustbin of history is calling, gents.

[kbct]

Wise Men wrote...

I posted this in another forum earlier:
_______________________________________________________
I hope Bioware changes the endings because then I can start a petition to get the endings of other games changed that I didn't like.

For example:

1. Splinter Cell Conviction (The ending was too sad. I wanted Sam to return to the agency and after playing the Spinter Cell series for 5 games, I deserve to have the ending I want because I am so invested in the character).

It's gonna take more than you and your friends. We have at least 60,000.

[kbct]

Femlob wrote...

The man of myth wrote...

Bioware should shut these forums down and tell their "fans" to F off. These clowns will be back for their next release. You know it and I know it.

Tell your fans to fuck off.

Right.

Riiiiight.

He would be great at running a business, right?

[kbct]

admcmei wrote...

This "art" argument is touching heights so ridiculous that I'm just... amazed.

Someone else said that art doesn't end with an advertisement to buy more DLC.

[xellosDBS]

First off the ending isn't art. It's a rushed piece of ****.

Second, I think gamers would rather have the original mass effect 3 that drew the original writer planned. Not some 2 month written up rushed piece of garbage.

[Artemis_Entrari]

It's pretty funny seeing ANY of these big gaming sites (Gamespot, IGN, etc.) accusing anyone else of "selling out", considering most, if not all, of their review scores are influenced by whether or not the publisher of said game being reviewed has invested a little or a lot in advertisements and other such things on their site.

It's literally like one criminal calling another criminal a menace to society. Maybe it's true, but who the heck are you to talk?

Modifié par Artemis_Entrari, 22 mars 2012 - 06:12 .

[DaJe]

These morons have the nerve to drop the words "spineless" and "sellout"?
Of the irony.

Modifié par DaJe, 22 mars 2012 - 06:11 .

[Giubba]

Wise Men wrote...

I posted this in another forum earlier:
_______________________________________________________
I hope Bioware changes the endings because then I can start a petition to get the endings of other games changed that I didn't like.

For example:

1. Splinter Cell Conviction (The ending was too sad. I wanted Sam to return to the agency and after playing the Spinter Cell series for 5 games, I deserve to have the ending I want because I am so invested in the character).
2. Heavy Rain (They promised my choices would determine the endings and it's interactive, so I should be able to create the ending I want. I wanted an ending where the mother was the serial killer not the one they game me)
3. Alan Wake, Flower, and Journey (to vague...not enough details...no clear answers or closure...too many plot holes).
4. Super Mario Brothers (after all of that, all I get is a "thank you" from the princess c'mon what a letdown!)
5. Uncharted 1 and 2 (they added a magical or supernatural aspect to it at the very end. I didn't like that. It's inconsistent with the world)
6. Halo 3 (They promised that I was going to "Finish the Fight" but they lied because now they are making Halo 4.)

Anyway let's hope Bioware changes Mass Effect 3's ending, because I have a long list of games that could benefit from this precedent.

If this DLC thing doesn't affect the existing ending i don't care about it as i've already wrote on the 2000 page long support thread (even if i find the concept behind this idea quite ridiculos as you pointed out in your post).

Now what makes me curios is how they will react if the DLC will still disappoint them, what they will demand than? Another version of the same DLC with other fixes?
Again and again until everybody is satisfied?

[Fuzrum77]

I'm not the first to use this word: disconnect. That's what gets me. It's how disconnected IGN and Gamestop and some others I'm sure are from the fans. They can have their opinions, of course. And I don't fault them for that. But their relentless, venemous attacks on a rather large "minorty" of fans and now Bioware is...baffling to me.

[Fuzrum77]

And I'm gonna say this here, as I'm trying to say it pretty much everywhere I post: I, and I think most of us, just want additional endings. They don't have to change a thing. I think a lot of us would just like the opportunity to tell the a certain someone: No. And then just have all those war assets do their damn best. So we can be "Big Damn Heroes."

Edit: I'm in the non-spoiler forum I just realized that. Editing!

Modifié par Fuzrum77, 22 mars 2012 - 06:22 .

[MoldySpore]

The fact of the matter is the ending is the only major issue with Mass Effect 3, and that seems to be the general consensus. And you shouldn't rate a game on a single part of it. So while the reviews are good for the game as a whole, there can still be a legitimate gripe with a part of it. And when that gripe is with  the part of the game that is supposed to wrap up 3 entire games worth of decisions and story, with Bioware boasting for months and months that there would be VASTLY DIFFERENT endings that incorporate your choices, it isn't selling out when you decide to fix that. It would be a slap in the face if they ignored their fans now at the end when our feedback and feelings are about the most IMPORTANT part of the series: the ending.

The game, not including the ending, is perfect in my mind. It was the perfect balance of RPG and shooter elements, the perfect hybrid of ME1 and ME2 gameplay styles. Many of the annoying bugs were fixed (like where you'd randomly start walking on invisible platforms that you couldn't get down from in ME1 and 2), and they did a great job incorporating the choices made in ME1 and ME2 into the storylines and important moments in ME3.

But the endings were completely out of place and did not feel like part of the series. I think it would be a disservice to the series as a whole and to all the gamers who invested, in some cases, hundreds of hours to perfect their Shepards and their decisions over the course of 3 games to have it all come down to endings that, in addition to being full of plot and character holes, don't provide the player with TRUE closure for their Renegade, Paragon, or middle ground Shepards without confusing M. Night Shyamalan-esque "twists" or misdirection. If you are a Paragon your entire way from ME1 to ME3, you should be given the OPTION to see that perfect ending you were striving for, with no strings attached. The same goes for Renegade or any other combination of the two and the choices you made which leads up to the Shepard you bring into that ending. A game built so heavily on the player's ability to choose different paths and the tough decisions those paths force you to make, should not end with a glaringly obvious LACK of those key elements.

Saying Bioware is "selling out" because they feel an obligation to address fan concerns is stupid. The fans MADE IT POSSIBLE to have anything past Mass Effect 1 (poor sales would not have allowed for ME2 or 3) so how is it selling out to cater to their expectations? Especially after Bioware hyped up the ending so much only to universally disappoint their fans? If anything, Gamespot is selling out and catering to EA, the huge Big Brother of video games that has gobbled up all these companies while pushing games out the door before they are ready so they can cash in faster. Bioware wants to give their gamers the ending they want, most likely as free upgrade or free DLC, which is exactly what EA wouldn't want to happen. They want then working on Mass Effect 4 - 10 and making them more money, not going back and fixing a game that has already put $ in their pocket.

Modifié par MoldySpore, 22 mars 2012 - 06:23 .

[JamSprack]

 I can't believe gamespot is calling someone else spineless.