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[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Do not feed the Troll!

[Gigamantis]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Do not feed the Troll!

WAH! Everyone who disagrees with me is a troll!

Get some better material, kid. 

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

MoldySpore wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Only then will they truly get what this whole uproar about because it's not the a,b,c stuff(it's Joker running away for no reason crashing on a tropical planet with two squadmates who were right beside you for the final charge.).Now unless the squadmates that were with you is some type of glitch then it makes a little more sense.

See that is my problem. One of many with the ending. And I don't WANT the indoctrination ending if possible. That is just a way to explain away the problems with the current ending. In my mind, the only way I will be truely happy is if one of two things happen with the changes Bioware makes:

1) They add 2 more options, keeping everything else as it is, but a true Renegade and a true Paragon ending. As in, paragon everyone lives, reapers dead, all your choices you made are shown panned out with a glimpse into the future, showing that everyone is still together and hangs out during peace time, renegade something equal to paragon just bad/evil/red!

or

2) They completely change the end to match the rest of the series, no cloak and dagger M. Night Shyamalan trickery twist plot hole junk, real choices questioning everything up to the last with hard answers to anything left unanswered. Any new outcome that followed these guidelines would be better than what is there now.

But again, as I have said before in other posts, I will take ANYTHING to fix the knee to the gut I feel when I watch the current endings (any of them, even the so called "best" one).

A gathering type of ending with everyone meeting up at one place , with Shepard being the last one and everyone shocked because the whole thing was them remembering him/her.

[raider_1001]

If Bioware didn't set a precedent in soul sucking crappy writing, why would the fans force a precedent in changing the ending?

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

MoldySpore wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Only then will they truly get what this whole uproar about because it's not the a,b,c stuff(it's Joker running away for no reason crashing on a tropical planet with two squadmates who were right beside you for the final charge.).Now unless the squadmates that were with you is some type of glitch then it makes a little more sense.

See that is my problem. One of many with the ending. And I don't WANT the indoctrination ending if possible. That is just a way to explain away the problems with the current ending. In my mind, the only way I will be truely happy is if one of two things happen with the changes Bioware makes:

1) They add 2 more options, keeping everything else as it is, but a true Renegade and a true Paragon ending. As in, paragon everyone lives, reapers dead, all your choices you made are shown panned out with a glimpse into the future, showing that everyone is still together and hangs out during peace time, renegade something equal to paragon just bad/evil/red!

or

2) They completely change the end to match the rest of the series, no cloak and dagger M. Night Shyamalan trickery twist plot hole junk, real choices questioning everything up to the last with hard answers to anything left unanswered. Any new outcome that followed these guidelines would be better than what is there now.

But again, as I have said before in other posts, I will take ANYTHING to fix the knee to the gut I feel when I watch the current endings (any of them, even the so called "best" one).

For the first option , the second option maybe if they can make it work.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

raider_1001 wrote...

If Bioware didn't set a precedent in soul sucking crappy writing, why would the fans force a precedent in changing the ending?

They thought everyone likes an intellectual/missing scenes ending , guess they wrong.

[Tigerman123]

Bioware/EA are only considering changing the endings for commercial reasons; they want to protect sales of DLC, future ME titles, Bioware's brand, they certainly didn't do this because they themselves have had a change of heart regarding their own work...

Don't see any other way to describe it really

[Gabriel S.]

Wise Men wrote...

I posted this in another forum earlier:
_______________________________________________________
I hope Bioware changes the endings because then I can start a petition to get the endings of other games changed that I didn't like.

For example:

1. Splinter Cell Conviction (The ending was too sad. I wanted Sam to return to the agency and after playing the Spinter Cell series for 5 games, I deserve to have the ending I want because I am so invested in the character).
2. Heavy Rain (They promised my choices would determine the endings and it's interactive, so I should be able to create the ending I want. I wanted an ending where the mother was the serial killer not the one they game me)
3. Alan Wake, Flower, and Journey (to vague...not enough details...no clear answers or closure...too many plot holes).
4. Super Mario Brothers (after all of that, all I get is a "thank you" from the princess c'mon what a letdown!)
5. Uncharted 1 and 2 (they added a magical or supernatural aspect to it at the very end. I didn't like that. It's inconsistent with the world)
6. Halo 3 (They promised that I was going to "Finish the Fight" but they lied because now they are making Halo 4.)

Anyway let's hope Bioware changes Mass Effect 3's ending, because I have a long list of games that could benefit from this precedent.

Just go a little further and ask for a remake of Citizen Kane whydoncha. Maybe the fact that everyone related to that is DEAD won't be too much of an impediment.

Sorry for the hyperbole, but this type of comment is friggin stupid. The most obvious response is WHY THE HELL DIDN'T YOU DO SOMETHING WHILE THE GAME WAS NEWLY RELEASED. That's your failing. These guys have raised what - 30,000$ 78,976$ IN NINE DAYS... holy sh... heh, wow...

Anyway, the reason why this works (or could work) NOW, right after release, is because they're working on patches, on DLC, the teams are still in place, the resources are still there (duh) and so on. They're not recreating the set, as it were. They're just supposed to recreate or add to the the scene. Think of it like taking a few more "takes" too see which one works better. Actually think of it like the ending from I Am Legend. The alternate ending you get on the DVD.

And I wish this crap would be done sooner. I really wanna play the game.

Modifié par Gabriel Stelinski, 22 mars 2012 - 08:40 .

[VoodooDrackus]

ArthurBDD wrote...

Well, Blade Runner or Brazil the altered endings were terrible and the Director's Cut is generally held to be definitive.

A better example would be something like Fallout 3... and weirdly, I don't remember any of these people complaining when Broken Steel came out.

As the mods have been saying: complaining about complaints isn't productive. That's true even if you're Gamespot.

Broken Steel? You mean Broken Story? Yeah, well, I will never get another Bethesda DLC because of that. It totally ruins the story and makes the original story ending pointless. It's like they picked up a bunch of papers on the drawing room floor, shuffled them together, leaving some of the others behind, to fit in the story for Broken Steel. That is a horrible example. That was less than 10% of the total sales of Fallout 3 in any case.

sillyrobot wrote...

It's like these guys don't understand how other mass-appeal art works -- they all go through this. Look at Bladerunner for a blatant and egregious example of change or Brazil for a massively altered ending.

And Brazil? You mean the Criterion collection that was released that has the combined American and European versions along with the Love Conquers All version? What kind of example is that? You get to see what Gilliam edited out to make the American version have quicker transitions?  Gilliam even states how opposed he is to the Love Conquers All version. It goes against what he intended. And the European ending that is used in the Criterion version is the one I always felt was the better ending and one Gilliam did as well instead of the dissolve into Sam's mind where he is on the clouds. It is essentially the same ending, same movie, but changed ever so slightly for the different markets. Fluffy for the American market, and dark for the European market.

Blade Runner? You mean the Final Cut/Directors Cut versions? The ones where the happy ending is removed. The happy ending that was initially added for the American Audiences?

Sorry but movies are a bad example, because the Director is not changing the endings or making alternates because he/she is being pressured by fans to do so, but because the director is wanting people to see his/her initial vision before it was butchered by Producers, etc. It could be better or not be as good, but it's more for the fans to see what the Director intended.

[Rockworm503]

 HAHAHA this is especially hilarious coming from Gamespot....
Ths same Gamespot that fired one of their own for giving a less than stellar review for a game because they were going to take out their ads......
You were saying something about Spineless?

[TRUTHMACHINE]

OutlawTorn6806 wrote...

My favorite ones:

Kevin VanOrd‏: 
The Internet accused Bioware of selling out. Then, it demanded Bioware sell out. Congratulations, Internet: you got what you wanted. 

Brendan Sinclair:
So if the government comes knocking, games are art. But when we hate the ending, they're products and the customer is always right. Got it. 


http://www.gamespot....hanges-6367380/

looks like ME3 is officially out of GOTY contention. its funny they made fans hate them with the dlc, tali reveal and the endings which put it out of contention with fans. now by changing the endings they are called sell outs by critics and probably out of goty consideration.

puts a smile on my face

[Namevah]

TheBlackBaron wrote...
So basically this thread boils down to "Gamespot said something I don't like, they must be paid off, I don't know by who but it must have happened!"

Unfortunately, yeah...

PeterBazooka wrote...
The gaming "press" sure has been the most embarrassing part of this entire debacle.

**** no! The behavior of various users around here has been far more embarrassing.

thunderhawk862002 wrote...
Gamespot fired a reviewer for giving Kane and Lynch a poor reviews. Nothing new.

Giantbomb's Jeff Gerstmann, who recently allowed his company to join the GameSpot umbrella, a deal that only happened because the jack***es who fired him are gone from the company.

Frankly, this thread illustrates almost everything I hate about the gaming audience.

[Gigamantis]

TRUTHMACHINE wrote...

OutlawTorn6806 wrote...

My favorite ones:

Kevin VanOrd‏: 
The Internet accused Bioware of selling out. Then, it demanded Bioware sell out. Congratulations, Internet: you got what you wanted. 

Brendan Sinclair:
So if the government comes knocking, games are art. But when we hate the ending, they're products and the customer is always right. Got it. 


http://www.gamespot....hanges-6367380/

looks like ME3 is officially out of GOTY contention. its funny they made fans hate them with the dlc, tali reveal and the endings which put it out of contention with fans. now by changing the endings they are called sell outs by critics and probably out of goty consideration.

puts a smile on my face

Fans are the only people stupid enough to let personal disatisfaction with a company influence their review of a game.  Mass Effect 3 will be a GOTY contender in these publications and no one with any sense cares what the site spamming trolls think.  

[Rockworm503]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

The PLC wrote...

Wise Men wrote...

I posted this in another forum earlier:
_______________________________________________________
I hope Bioware changes the endings because then I can start a petition to get the endings of other games changed that I didn't like.

For example:

1. Splinter Cell Conviction (The ending was too sad. I wanted Sam to return to the agency and after playing the Spinter Cell series for 5 games, I deserve to have the ending I want because I am so invested in the character).
2. Heavy Rain (They promised my choices would determine the endings and it's interactive, so I should be able to create the ending I want. I wanted an ending where the mother was the serial killer not the one they game me)
3. Alan Wake, Flower, and Journey (to vague...not enough details...no clear answers or closure...too many plot holes).
4. Super Mario Brothers (after all of that, all I get is a "thank you" from the princess c'mon what a letdown!)
5. Uncharted 1 and 2 (they added a magical or supernatural aspect to it at the very end. I didn't like that. It's inconsistent with the world)
6. Halo 3 (They promised that I was going to "Finish the Fight" but they lied because now they are making Halo 4.)

Anyway let's hope Bioware changes Mass Effect 3's ending, because I have a long list of games that could benefit from this precedent.

I agree with all those. I would also like if Rockstar could change the ending to Red Dead Redemption, because I really liked Jack Marston. Oh, and the same with GTA IV. That ending was too sad for me. 

Maybe everyone can remove Mario from Nintendo's titles too because he is a plumber instead of a stripper!....

At this stage I think the fan(ataics) have gone too far. None of what they did was needed to have future DLC address their problems. Bioware has always released DLC based on polite and reasonable feedback to their titles. The movement and group has only damaged the perception of the fanbase not actual change in the product that would have added (additional new) DLC to resolve peoples problems and issues in the first place based on any polite and respectable feedback instead of threats, fearmongering, financial and emotional blackmail, filing FTC complaints, using vitriol, hyperbole, disdain and bile in their responses.

Well done fan(atics) you have done nothing but damage everyones perception of Bioware fans and Bioware.

Bah irrellevent every word of what you said.
I payed 60 bucks for something they promised me.
They failed to deliver on their promise.
I did not pay 60 bucks for everyone's perception of us.
I couldn't care less what other people think of me.

[Kanon777]

[Spectre_Shepard]

dont these people understand that the ending actually doesnt make sense? i mean, come on....

[Takamori The Templar]

Boycott gaming journalism, support real journalism.

Stop visiting those websites, they are sustained by ad revenue, they are sold reviewers.
They don't have credibility anymore.

[Kanon777]

LETS TAKE BACK GAMESPOT!!!!

[Brockololly]

Seriously, the gaming media is such a bunch of idiots on this issue.

The problem is that ME3 has exactly one ending. ITS A DAMN PLAYER DRIVEN RPG. ITS SUPPOSED TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE ENDING. If BioWare just did that in the first place, nobody would be talking about this rubbish.

[Gigamantis]

Brockololly wrote...

Seriously, the gaming media is such a bunch of idiots on this issue.

The problem is that ME3 has exactly one ending. ITS A DAMN PLAYER DRIVEN RPG. ITS SUPPOSED TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE ENDING. If BioWare just did that in the first place, nobody would be talking about this rubbish.

It has 3 endings; you apparently can't count.  The gaming media is spot on and you're just being a brat about it. 

[Kanon777]

Brockololly wrote...

Seriously, the gaming media is such a bunch of idiots on this issue.

The problem is that ME3 has exactly one ending. ITS A DAMN PLAYER DRIVEN RPG. ITS SUPPOSED TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE ENDING. If BioWare just did that in the first place, nobody would be talking about this rubbish.

Its 3 endings, they might be similar but each of them has VERY diferent implications for the future of the galaxy.  

[cotheer]

MDT1 wrote...

Edit: With all the attention this gets I'm sure developers all over the world are afraid they can't hide bad business practices and lazyness behind their  "artistic integrity" anymore.

I trully hope so and can't wait for the day when gamers will be able to stand up for themselves and say "Enough!".

[Namevah]

Takamori The Templar wrote...
They don't have credibility anymore.

Neither does the claim that reviews are bought.

[catabuca]

I wonder if any of these gaming websites ran with an article praising the Retake movement, how many people would be praising them as being the good guys?

Integrity runs both ways.

[slimgrin]

Brockololly wrote...

Seriously, the gaming media is such a bunch of idiots sycophants on this issue.

The problem is that ME3 has exactly one ending. ITS A DAMN PLAYER DRIVEN RPG. ITS SUPPOSED TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE ENDING. If BioWare just did that in the first place, nobody would be talking about this rubbish.

Corrected. BioWare comes out squeaky clean no matter what they do now, at least according to the gaming press. A bad ending is not deserving of all this attention, so I guess I should stop posting about it.

Modifié par slimgrin, 22 mars 2012 - 09:11 .