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[Diablos2525]

Wise Men wrote...

I posted this in another forum earlier:
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I hope Bioware changes the endings because then I can start a petition to get the endings of other games changed that I didn't like.

For example:

1. Splinter Cell Conviction (The ending was too sad. I wanted Sam to return to the agency and after playing the Spinter Cell series for 5 games, I deserve to have the ending I want because I am so invested in the character).
2. Heavy Rain (They promised my choices would determine the endings and it's interactive, so I should be able to create the ending I want. I wanted an ending where the mother was the serial killer not the one they game me)
3. Alan Wake, Flower, and Journey (to vague...not enough details...no clear answers or closure...too many plot holes).
4. Super Mario Brothers (after all of that, all I get is a "thank you" from the princess c'mon what a letdown!)
5. Uncharted 1 and 2 (they added a magical or supernatural aspect to it at the very end. I didn't like that. It's inconsistent with the world)
6. Halo 3 (They promised that I was going to "Finish the Fight" but they lied because now they are making Halo 4.)

Anyway let's hope Bioware changes Mass Effect 3's ending, because I have a long list of games that could benefit from this precedent.

This is probably the most ignorant post I've ever seen. Our main complaint isn't that we don't like the ending. Our complaint is three fold 1)It makes no sense, there is a term for this kind of ending it is called a DEUS EX MACHINA, essentially "space magic" which wraps up all the loose ends when the writers are too lazy to write compelling prose 2)It doesn't reflect our choices, and negates the whole purpose of the ENTIRE series in 10 minutes. 3)There is no epilogue, there is no wrapping up of character's stories. We aren't told what happens to any of our squadmates when this is a game BASED AROUND YOUR RELATIONSHIP with your squadmates. I cared about my squadmates more than I did shepard, I expected shephard to die.

Modifié par Diablos2525, 22 mars 2012 - 11:14 .

[justlogme]

Ramus Quaritch wrote...

<sighs>. Gamespot. Epic fail.

  this^^

[avatar2396]

people actually still read gamespot. Thats the most enlightened thing in this thread

[BiancoAngelo7]

Now we're looking at GAMESPOT for integrity and credibility when it comes to games?

Cmon people, whether you're for or against the ending dlc, Gamespot is about as reliable as listening to Pat Robertson from the Christian News Network for your daily events...

If you want a REAL minority, then go and look at these elitist media reporters who think that since they work for a press outlet their opinions are worth more than the 70,000+ people that have voiced their opinions on these forums alone.

[Kalms]

MoldySpore wrote...

Kalms wrote...

MoldySpore wrote...

The fact of the matter is the ending is the only major issue with Mass Effect 3, and that seems to be the general consensus. And you shouldn't rate a game on a single part of it. 

Oh, okay. So if the ending nullifies and invalidates the rest of the game, emotionally speaking, I should just accept it?

Games without emotional payoff are meaningless. Even multiplayer has payoff: Less play time, clear a bronze challenge and you win! Yay!

A game needs to justify its story, and make the gamer feel like they accomplished what they needed to. Mass Effect 3 failed when it came to the ultimate payoff. It invoked a lot of negative feelings, and failed to show us what our actions accomplished. It just ended with a sigh - oh, and a plea to buy upcoming DLC.

You should really read the ENTIRE post before responding to someone. Immediately after what you quoted, I wrote:

...So while the reviews are good for the game as a whole, there can still
be a legitimate gripe with a part of it. And when that gripe is with 
the part of the game that is supposed to wrap up 3 entire games worth of
decisions and story, with Bioware boasting for months and months that
there would be VASTLY DIFFERENT endings that incorporate your choices,
it isn't selling out when you decide to fix that. It would be a slap in
the face if they ignored their fans now at the end when our feedback and
feelings are about the most IMPORTANT part of the series: the ending.

Point is, while the Bioware is pointing to high scores for the game overall, that doesn't invalidate the issues people have with the ending, nor does it make Bioware "sellouts" for wanting to address everyone's issues with the ending.

Sorry! I was in a hurry and needed an excuse to say what I did I agree.

[jinxter69]

Don't see how Gamespot even matters...not one of their writers writes in a way I would find interesting or intriguing...nor do they give anything approaching objectivity in any of their reviews. I have always found their reviews to be fraught with bullets that the companies that make games can use to show they made the best game ever. NO, just another group of writers pandering to EA to insure that they will still advertise on their site.

[Solmanian]

So noone has any problems with a gaming saying: "these are my endings, if you don't like them I can more"? Whose the CEO of that hypothetical company? Groucho Marx?

[justlogme]

The man of myth wrote...

tobito113 wrote...

Overule wrote...

How is working to please the masses "selling out"...? That's the exact opposite of selling out. Selling out would mean ignoring us to please big business...

Selling out means that they will compromise their principles to apease someone else. Their money comes from the fans too so caving to you might look like "selling out" for "plenty"(xD) of people.

Im neutral on this, i dont dislike the endings but im glad Bioware will do something about it just to make this forums more tolerable...

Bioware should shut these forums down and tell their "fans" to F off. These clowns will be back for their next release. You know it and I know it.

  Some will no doubt and some won't the amount still depends on what Bioware does or does not do.
  There are alot more games out these days competing for the gamers dollar. Tthinking everyone will just turn into Sheeple and continue to buy any over hyped, false advertised crap ending Bioware puts out is just burying your head in the sand.

[SpEcIaLRyAn]

Who cares what they think. For as long as I have been playing BioWare games they have been built upon humility. They always strive for better with their games. This just proves that they do are about their fans. Gamespots opinion means nothing to me. I haven't played the ending yet. All I know is that as long as I get more Mass Effect I could care less why we are getting it. Sometimes you just gotta go with the flow instead of complaining about every little problem or nusance.

[Kanon777]

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

Now we're looking at GAMESPOT for integrity and credibility when it comes to games?

Cmon people, whether you're for or against the ending dlc, Gamespot is about as reliable as listening to Pat Robertson from the Christian News Network for your daily events...

If you want a REAL minority, then go and look at these elitist media reporters who think that since they work for a press outlet their opinions are worth more than the 70,000+ people that have voiced their opinions on these forums alone.

He is either angry at the way some people went about in this movement (unlikely) or is trying to get page views from you and continuig this controversy. Its much more interesting (page views) when an argument has multiple sides so he is taking Bioware side to balance things out and continuing his coverage

[durasteel]

This is amusing. Gamespot has apparently concluded that there are enough people advocating for new endings or just generally interested in this issue that they can boost their site visits by trolling us. Every time you click the link, their trolling works.

[Straw_foot]

Lol, reporters telling the news how it should be made.

[darkangelvxvx]

Overule wrote...

How is working to please the masses "selling out"...? That's the exact opposite of selling out. Selling out would mean ignoring us to please big business...

actually, that's the definition of selling out.

[avatar2396]

tobito113 wrote...

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

Now we're looking at GAMESPOT for integrity and credibility when it comes to games?

Cmon people, whether you're for or against the ending dlc, Gamespot is about as reliable as listening to Pat Robertson from the Christian News Network for your daily events...

If you want a REAL minority, then go and look at these elitist media reporters who think that since they work for a press outlet their opinions are worth more than the 70,000+ people that have voiced their opinions on these forums alone.

He is either angry at the way some people went about in this movement (unlikely) or is trying to get page views from you and continuig this controversy. Its much more interesting (page views) when an argument has multiple sides so he is taking Bioware side to balance things out and continuing his coverage

interesting theory.  This happens all the time with movie reviews online. Some reviewers will give a good movie a bad review or a bad movie good reviews to generate traffic to their site. 

[FixitBioware11]

If i bought a game and it had a bad ending then fair deal what can i do. BUT if i play a game series that is centred around CHOICE and on the final installment decides to take away that choice then they should not be able to get away with it. Most of the people screaming how this will affect gaming negatively have not played the mass effect series and simply do not realise what bioware did themselves!!!

[Toyou4you]

naledgeborn is back wrote...

Aww, so gamespot is mad at BioWare for admitting their game is less than perfect after gamespot gave it a perfect score. Ok, Kevin and Brendan, I gotcha.

Gamespot gave the game a 9 out of 10..

[Nayt Navare]

My opinion from another thread-

Video games are art. But they, like most, including films and graphic novels, are commissioned art. I pay for an experience (art is an intentionally created item that creates or expresses emotion), but if that product, or commission, is not to my liking, it is my choice if I want a refund or complain.

[Koju737]

OutlawTorn6806 wrote...

My favorite ones:

Kevin VanOrd‏: 
The Internet accused Bioware of selling out. Then, it demanded Bioware sell out. Congratulations, Internet: you got what you wanted. 

Brendan Sinclair:
So if the government comes knocking, games are art. But when we hate the ending, they're products and the customer is always right. Got it. 


http://www.gamespot....hanges-6367380/

This is spot on. Im not a big fan of gamespot, but those two quotes hit the nail on the head. Ever since this whole "its not art!" nonsense broke Ive been in constant facepalm mode. Its hypocrisy at its finest. Theres an entire exhibit at the Smithsonian for ****s sake!!! Whether you like it or not, video games ARE art. And you know what? They are products too. Do you have the right to complain if you paid good money? Of course. Does it mean they have to change their story for you guys? Hell no, and I dont think thats what they are doing. They are expanding the ending from what I could tell, and clearing up all the plot holes... and thats the way it should be. And I hope the "retake Mass effect" (silly name btw... it was never yours to begin with) folks can be happy with what we get, because they DO have good intentions.

[DoctorEss]

Ah, Gamespot.  They know so much about integrity.

So much that they fired a reviewer for giving Kane & Lynch a low score.  Because they were being PAID BY IT'S DEVS TO GIVE IT FALSE GOOD REVIEWS.

Gamespot is a joke, and they'll never, ever get that credibility back.

[Wise Men]

kbct wrote...

Wise Men wrote...

I posted this in another forum earlier:
_______________________________________________________
I hope Bioware changes the endings because then I can start a petition to get the endings of other games changed that I didn't like.

For example:

1. Splinter Cell Conviction (The ending was too sad. I wanted Sam to return to the agency and after playing the Spinter Cell series for 5 games, I deserve to have the ending I want because I am so invested in the character).

It's gonna take more than you and your friends. We have at least 60,000.

Hey, will you join?

[ReshyShira]

Gamespot and IGN, both companies that lied about how the game was so they could make more ad revenue.

IGN said that the game had a good ending, clearly not the case.

Gamespot said your choices mattered, when they in fact did quite little.

[100k]

Interestingly enough, Gametrailers actually agreed, and said (in their video review, and their response-to-fan-outrage blog) that they were disappointed with the conclusion, and went so far in the blog that they agreed with fan dissatisfaction.

[malakim2099]

Can someone make me a Commander Shepard My Little Pony? Just so I can throw it at these "gifted" reviewers that seem to think that hating an incoherent ending means I want a happy ending?

The galaxy, in the best case scenario, is completely trashed. I don't think it's going to be all THAT happy.

[ReshyShira]

malakim2099 wrote...

Can someone make me a Commander Shepard My Little Pony? Just so I can throw it at these "gifted" reviewers that seem to think that hating an incoherent ending means I want a happy ending?

The galaxy, in the best case scenario, is completely trashed. I don't think it's going to be all THAT happy.

This is all I got sorry.

[Skyhawk02]

OutlawTorn6806 wrote...

Overule wrote...

How is working to please the masses "selling out"...? That's the exact opposite of selling out. Selling out would mean ignoring us to please big business...

Lol, you are kidding right? Please tell me this is not a real post. I..don't.. even..god..

Yeah, I was a little confused by it too.