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[Bawtzki]

It feels borderline OP when you wield it, but in grand scheme of things? No. I did two back to back runs on Firebase White vs Cerberus Gold, one with Black Widow I and Valiant right after (didn't use any equipment). Got almost identical scores both times.

[hihey54]

Slappy Mancuso wrote...

It's a really stupid circle that countless other games have gone through. I understand and appreciate companies listening to their communities, but catering to the largest group of whiners will only create more whiners. What's fantastic today will be crap tomorrow, and the people who are affected will complain about something entirely different so that it continues. It really detracts from the experience, and in the end no one wins.

Yeah, this gun is pretty good in capable hands. Other guns are better. Others are worse. It all depends on the situation, the player/character and even their team as to how effective it can be. It doesn't need any tweaking; certainly not two days after it was released.

If you ask me, gun changes should be limited to once a month or even every six months at the most. Going week by week like this and conditioning players to expect a batch of nerfs & buffs is only going to make the problem worse.

Yeah, I agree with you that gun changes shouldn't be done weekly.
However, the fact remains that the amount of skill required to use the Valiant is really low. I challenge any of you to prove me wrong.

Again: I do not consider myself a good sniper. I do own the Valiant. I do own and I did try every SR in the game (with the exception of the BW). 

[DeathScepter]

CJon428 wrote...

No. Quit nerfing sh*t.

argeed

[Tangster]

 Clearly this is needed.

Yes, I have too much time on my hands.:innocent:

Modifié par Tangster, 22 mars 2012 - 06:45 .

[hihey54]

Mr_Steph wrote...



I guess you want the black widow nerfed as well then?

Nope. I haven't tried this gun, yet. But, from the videos I watched and from the posts I read, it is waaaaay heavier than the Valiant, its recoil is really big and it takes 2 seconds to reload. Sure, I believe it is a really good weapon. But it has its cons. The Valiant, on the other hand, has no cons, especially if used by an Infiltrator.

Modifié par hihey54, 22 mars 2012 - 06:46 .

[Beatrix Tair]

No, it's not.

Sure it might feel a little on the side of OP but it's SUPER RARE QUALITY.

As far as we know, we can't upgrade it outside of special events & even then it's a 25% chance to get it per event.

Why should a gun of SUPER RARE QUALITY be bad? If anything, the other SUPER RARE QUALITY guns should be buffed if they're as bad as some say.

Seriously, people need to think before they speak.
"Nerf this gun? It's super rare quality but it's powerful! It shouldn't be!"
That make sense to anyone else? No, didn't think so.

[DeathScepter]

From the Knights of Nah, I doeth sayth, "Hell NAH"

[robarcool]

Tangster wrote...

 Clearly this is needed.

Yes, I have too much time on my hands.:innocent:

Not the picture, but the text is indeed my response to everyone asking for nerfs. Enough nerfs have been handed out already and I wonder how many people asking for nerfs actually play on gold on a regular basis.

[hihey54]

Beatrix Tair wrote...

No, it's not.

Sure it might feel a little on the side of OP but it's SUPER RARE QUALITY.

As far as we know, we can't upgrade it outside of special events & even then it's a 25% chance to get it per event.

Why should a gun of SUPER RARE QUALITY be bad? If anything, the other SUPER RARE QUALITY guns should be buffed if they're as bad as some say.

Seriously, people need to think before they speak.
"Nerf this gun? It's super rare quality but it's powerful! It shouldn't be!"
That make sense to anyone else? No, didn't think so.

I never, NEVER wrote that this weapon should become a crappy weapon.

Look, I would be really happy if no nerf happens, since I'll keep making a lot of kills with my average skill. I simply believe it is not right for a weapon to be THIS good.
I am not saying that it should be nerfed like the Falcon was.

[Beatrix Tair]

hihey54 wrote...

Beatrix Tair wrote...
<snip>

I never, NEVER wrote that this weapon should become a crappy weapon.

Look, I would be really happy if no nerf happens, since I'll keep making a lot of kills with my average skill. I simply believe it is not right for a weapon to be THIS good.
I am not saying that it should be nerfed like the Falcon was.

So, again: A SUPER RARE QUALITY weapon shouldn't be good?

If you take any part from my post, take this part:

Beatrix Tair wrote...

Why should a gun of SUPER RARE QUALITY be bad? If anything, the other SUPER RARE QUALITY guns should be buffed if they're as bad as some say.

[AreleX]

can we please stop throwing this word at every single decent thing in the game?

jesus christ.

[Heather Cline]

No we don't need to nerf weapons. We need a more balanced system with other weapons. Seriously stop trying to destroy every part of this game at least what is decent about it. Even though I don't like MP all that much or care for the endings of the SP part of the game, destroying everything else for those who enjoy the MP is not the way to go.

[Slappy Mancuso]

hihey54 wrote...
However, the fact remains that the amount of skill required to use the Valiant is really low. I challenge any of you to prove me wrong.

I will agree with you on this mainly because, of the three or four that I own (None of which are a widow or black widow), I've done far better with this one than the others.  It's a nice rifle for a relatively lower skilled player to do well with, but it's going to take someone very good to do better with this than they could do with one of the other high end snipers.  It just doesn't pack enough of a punch on the higher difficulties.  Makes up for it with more shots.

I guess we will see.  I'd like to see enemies adjusted a bit more if it really gets so out of hand that people are soloing silver/gold with ease.  No matter what you do, I think you'll still find people managing to do that. 

[hihey54]

Beatrix Tair wrote...



So, again: A SUPER RARE QUALITY weapon shouldn't be good?

If you take any part from my post, take this part:

Beatrix Tair wrote...

Why should a gun of SUPER RARE QUALITY be bad? If anything, the other SUPER RARE QUALITY guns should be buffed if they're as bad as some say.

I believe that with either an increased reload speed OR a slower fire rate, the Valiant would still be good.

[nhcre8tv1]

Don't give them ideas, gosh darnit!

[hihey54]

Slappy Mancuso wrote...



I will agree with you on this mainly because, of the three or four that I own (None of which are a widow or black widow), I've done far better with this one than the others.  It's a nice rifle for a relatively lower skilled player to do well with, but it's going to take someone very good to do better with this than they could do with one of the other high end snipers.

That's what I am talking about.
With the Mantis X or the Widow 1, I did not perform that well at all. But, with the Valiant, I suddenly become a killing machine. Is it because I am good? No. Is it because I am comfortable with that weapon? No.
Is it because it is an astonishingly easy weapon to use, with close to none cons? I think so.

EDIT: please, do take a look at the image I posted in the first post of this thread. That is proof that the Valiant is good even at gold difficulty.

Modifié par hihey54, 22 mars 2012 - 07:10 .

[DilapidatedCat]

Arbitrary point system strikes again.

[Blackest_Knight]

So... its rarity is equivalent to that of Black Widow/Javelin. It's less powerful (no base penetration, lower damage) than those 2 in exchange for reload speed and recoil. It's HARDER to upgrade because even at 1 event/week and every event awarding 1 Valiant upgrade it would take 10 weeks minimum.

And you want it nerfed? Rare things are supposed to be valuable. Mantis X is really easy to get, Valiant is not, don't compare them. At best compare it to a Widow, which has serious advantages over Valiant.

[Lambda Diamond]

Titan98RG wrote...

if anything, it's energy drain that needs a slight nerf. try doing the same with a HI.

SHHH!!!! Stop trying to ruin the multiplayer.

[Influ]

The gun is easy and fun to use, plus it pumps out damage pretty much nonstop. However, it's not really that much more powerful (if any) compared to the other snipers. I can do as well with the Widow, even though it's much slower to kill regular baddies, because of the significantly higher reload time. Don't even have the Black Widow yet, so can't compare it to that. But it has me wondering how large the weight difference actually is with a significantly upgraded BW. Now let me ask, what happens when the Valiant loses it's other advantages, for example the reload speed and with it the high sustained dps? It becomes pointless. Yes, nerf it, we need more useless weapons in this game.

[xtorma]

no more nerfing please , it's just stupid. make harder levels.

[stribies]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Titan98RG wrote...

if anything, it's energy drain that needs a slight nerf. try doing the same with a HI.

>Slight nerf
>Slight
>lol
No that **** needs to be nerfed to the stoneage, or cloak or the infilly sniper damage or i guess they could nerf all 3 slighlty. 

List of things that need to be nerfed into oblivion.

Decoy
Cloak
Energy drain
Sabotage since people are still using quarian infiltrator
Nova
Biotic charge
Grenades
Anything that triggers biotic explosions, tech combos, etc
Carnifex
Widow
Black widow
Mantis
Mattock
Vindicator
Perhaps even another nerf to falcon so that it is never used again.

After those are all nerfed, then we'll have to go back and look at the currently crappy weapons that will be overpowered because everything good was nerfed.

[CROAT_56]

why the hell does anything need to be nerfed you are playing against the AI. Sure I could understand it if it was a PvP but its not sometimes you people amaze me, sorry for the attitude but seriously why complain if it only makes you a better player to use it, all points are distributed equally no matter where you place on the board so I see no point in the matter what soever.

[hihey54]

Influ wrote...

The gun is easy and fun to use, plus it
pumps out damage pretty much nonstop. However, it's not really that much
more powerful (if any) compared to the other snipers. I can do as well
with the Widow, even though it's much slower to kill regular baddies,
because of the significantly higher reload time. Don't even have the
Black Widow yet, so can't compare it to that. But it has me wondering
how large the weight difference actually is with a significantly
upgraded BW. Now let me ask, what happens when the Valiant loses it's
other advantages, for example the reload speed and with it the high
sustained dps? It becomes pointless. Yes, nerf it, we need more useless
weapons in this game.

Again, I don't believe it would become a pointless weapon with a SLIGHT nerf to its reload speed or fire rate.
Heck, how many times do I have to write that?

CROAT_56 wrote...

why the hell does anything need to be nerfed you are playing against the AI. Sure I could understand it if it was a PvP but its not sometimes you people amaze me, sorry for the attitude but seriously why complain if it only makes you a better player to use it, all points are distributed equally no matter where you place on the board so I see no point in the matter what soever.

Nerfing is used to balance the game. Nerfing to a PvE game is almost as important as nerfing to a PvP game.

Modifié par hihey54, 22 mars 2012 - 07:47 .

[hihey54]

Sorry, double post

Modifié par hihey54, 22 mars 2012 - 07:47 .