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[syllogi]

I came to this thread looking for HumSari hybrid babies.

You disappoint me, thread.

[The Angry One]

Militarized wrote...

Where you see Brave New Galaxy I see New Galactic Dark Age, if they haven't recovered after 10k years... I can only imagine most if not all the tech is destroyed and they are dealing with the ignorant struggles we had to deal with before getting to the stars all over again.

Yes there were issues with galactic politics but there are so many more issues that that technology and cooperation had or were fixing... ugh... all this is seriously ruining Mass Effect for me. Reset buttons are SO cliche and dumb.

I despise technological resets.
You know who tried that in real life? Pol Pot. Yeah that worked out so well didn't it?

[ahandsomeshark]

The Angry One wrote...

Has to be fake, even after this ending they couldn't be that unaware of their own lore.

[TheRisenStar]

Ah I get it now. They're setting up the Dune universe.

10,000 years after a war of organics vs machines that were set to dominate all human life.

[Klijpope]

The Angry One wrote...

Militarized wrote...

Where you see Brave New Galaxy I see New Galactic Dark Age, if they haven't recovered after 10k years... I can only imagine most if not all the tech is destroyed and they are dealing with the ignorant struggles we had to deal with before getting to the stars all over again.

Yes there were issues with galactic politics but there are so many more issues that that technology and cooperation had or were fixing... ugh... all this is seriously ruining Mass Effect for me. Reset buttons are SO cliche and dumb.

I despise technological resets.
You know who tried that in real life? Pol Pot. Yeah that worked out so well didn't it?

A 'reset' implies the story arc went awry or new producers came and did different things. Examples, SeaQuest DSV and Andromeda (neither's story in the same league as Mass Effect).

Reset contnues story in different direction, or obliviates previous story to tell new one with same characters, like the endless Marvel/DC resets.

Resets have no consequences. This does. We're debating them.

This is the end. The conclusion. They chose a transformation motif. Everything can change, because the story is over. It is a valid intention.

Pol Pot is hardly that relevant. 

[Sporothrix]

ahandsomeshark wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Has to be fake, even after this ending they couldn't be that unaware of their own lore.

It doesn't have to be against lore. Read again:

1.We see a child, maybe they look a little bit asari, a little bit human.

2.There is an older male here as well, the child looks to the "grandfather" and asks...


Remember that purpose of it was not to be seen by a player, just to be a guide for devs. A guide to make kids gender and species (human or asari) ambiguous.

I noticed before that people assumed the kid is a boy, when there was no clue for that at all. Seems that boy is default for everyone until proved otherwise, girl only when obvious gender clues are introduced.

Modifié par misoretu9, 22 mars 2012 - 10:20 .

[CrazyRah]

I.. you.. i give up Bioware >.<

[Militarized]

The Angry One wrote...

Militarized wrote...

Where you see Brave New Galaxy I see New Galactic Dark Age, if they haven't recovered after 10k years... I can only imagine most if not all the tech is destroyed and they are dealing with the ignorant struggles we had to deal with before getting to the stars all over again.

Yes there were issues with galactic politics but there are so many more issues that that technology and cooperation had or were fixing... ugh... all this is seriously ruining Mass Effect for me. Reset buttons are SO cliche and dumb.

I despise technological resets.
You know who tried that in real life? Pol Pot. Yeah that worked out so well didn't it?

Great minds think a like? Haha. 

[Sporothrix]

misoretu9 wrote...

ahandsomeshark wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Has to be fake, even after this ending they couldn't be that unaware of their own lore.

It doesn't have to be against lore. Read again:

1.We see a child, maybe they look a little bit asari, a little bit human.

2.There is an older male here as well, the child looks to the "grandfather" and asks...


Remember that purpose of it was not to be seen by a player, just to be a guide for devs. A guide to make kids gender and species (human or asari) ambiguous.

I noticed before that people assumed the kid is a boy, when there was no clue for that at all. Seems that boy is default for everyone until proved otherwise, girl only when obvious gender clues are introduced.

BTW, if context alone is not enough for someone, and since many people (like myself) are not native english speakers, from wikipedia - "Singular they":

"Singular they is the use of they (or its inflected forms, such as them or their) to refer to an entity that is not plural, or not necessarily plural. Though singular they is widespread in everyday English and has a long history of usage, debate continues about its acceptability. It occurs in two main situations:
Indeterminate gender – when they refers to an individual person of unknown or unspecified sex, as in, for example, "One student failed their exam". This usage is known as epicene they."

[Giskler]

If this is the direction the franchise is headed in the future then I have no interest anymore. They've removed everything that defines Mass Effect. Without the relays and the characters we've grown to love they might as well start a completely new IP.

[Militarized]

Giskler wrote...

If this is the direction the franchise is headed in the future then I have no interest anymore. They've removed everything that defines Mass Effect. Without the relays and the characters we've grown to love they might as well start a completely new IP.

I agree completely... I think this might be the final nail in the coffin. Not going to pull a lost? This might be even WORSE.... ugh.. 

[Sporothrix]

Indeed. Although it would be cool to play as Asari descendant of Shepard and Liara, but everyyhing but it stinks greatly. And after 10 000 years there's rather not much inheritance anyway...

[Klijpope]

Seem to remember a galaxy far, far away, where the stories had got squiffy and stale, and then along came some folk who decided to take it far into its past and produced one of the best iterations of that said milieux since it was first created in 1977.

Beginning a new ME franchise on the next-gen consoles where we get to explore the brave new world further into its future is neither implausible nor unwelcome.

[The Angry One]

Klijpope wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Militarized wrote...

Where you see Brave New Galaxy I see New Galactic Dark Age, if they haven't recovered after 10k years... I can only imagine most if not all the tech is destroyed and they are dealing with the ignorant struggles we had to deal with before getting to the stars all over again.

Yes there were issues with galactic politics but there are so many more issues that that technology and cooperation had or were fixing... ugh... all this is seriously ruining Mass Effect for me. Reset buttons are SO cliche and dumb.

I despise technological resets.
You know who tried that in real life? Pol Pot. Yeah that worked out so well didn't it?

A 'reset' implies the story arc went awry or new producers came and did different things. Examples, SeaQuest DSV and Andromeda (neither's story in the same league as Mass Effect).

Reset contnues story in different direction, or obliviates previous story to tell new one with same characters, like the endless Marvel/DC resets.

Resets have no consequences. This does. We're debating them.

This is the end. The conclusion. They chose a transformation motif. Everything can change, because the story is over. It is a valid intention.

Pol Pot is hardly that relevant. 

Pol Pot's regime tried to restart Cambodia from the year zero. Literally. Many suffered and died toiling without any modern technology or medicine.
It's relevant to the concept of the technological reset, also abused in such sci-fi as Battlestar Galactica and The Day the Earth Stood Still remake.
It's a malicious and ruinous way to end a story, using the concept of "clean slates" to somehow justify the incredible amounts of anguish and death this will cause  to a society.
In Mass Effect's case destroying the relay when most civilised star systems are already in chaos is a death sentence.

[Swan Killer]

If it's true, my Shepard will be back as a Reaper in 40k years and harvest the sh*t out of them. GG.

[sistersafetypin]

Asari+ __ = Asari. There's a reason all us Liara lovers reference our BLUE children.

[Thought Process]

bwFex wrote...

 Crossposted to r/masseffect for examination. Anyone come up with an explanation for this yet?

• biod_end002_100opening
• biod_end002_200tunnel
• biod_end002_300timconflict_loc_int
• biod_end002_400guardian_loc_int
• ???
• biod_end002_600epilogue_loc_int

BioD_End002_000Cortez.pcc
BioD_End002_000Traynor.pcc
BioD_End002_100Opening.pcc
BioD_End002_100Opening_LOC_INT.pcc
BioD_End002_200Tunnel.pcc
BioD_End002_200Tunnel_LOC_INT.pcc
BioD_End002_300TIMConflict.pcc
BioD_End002_300TIMConflict_LOC_INT.pcc
BioD_End002_400Guardian.pcc
BioD_End002_400Guardian_LOC_INT.pcc
BioD_End002_500Choice.pcc
BioD_End002_510Red.pcc
BioD_End002_520Blue.pcc
BioD_End002_530Green.pcc
BioD_End002_600Epilogue.pcc
BioD_End002_600Epilogue_LOC_INT.pcc

It's just there were no stage directions from the 500 files to list (note the lack of a _LOC_INT package).

Modifié par Thought Process, 23 mars 2012 - 12:25 .

[Klijpope]

The Angry One wrote...
Pol Pot's regime tried to restart Cambodia from the year zero. Literally. Many suffered and died toiling without any modern technology or medicine.
It's relevant to the concept of the technological reset, also abused in such sci-fi as Battlestar Galactica and The Day the Earth Stood Still remake.
It's a malicious and ruinous way to end a story, using the concept of "clean slates" to somehow justify the incredible amounts of anguish and death this will cause  to a society.
In Mass Effect's case destroying the relay when most civilised star systems are already in chaos is a death sentence.

There was a hell of a lot more wrong with Pol Pot and his regime than technological reset; Year 0 was also about cultural reset, and then the rest of that murderous nihilistic ideology.

And ME's ending is not technological rest anyhow. It's a 'post-apocalyptic' galactic society, or a 'dark age'. Technology still exists, just not the relay network. Just not reaper technology.

Therefore, Pol Pot is not relevant.

[The Angry One]

Klijpope wrote...

There was a hell of a lot more wrong with Pol Pot and his regime than technological reset; Year 0 was also about cultural reset, and then the rest of that murderous nihilistic ideology.

Of course there was more than that. I'm just making a comparison to one aspect of that regime, which remains valid.

And ME's ending is not technological rest anyhow. It's a 'post-apocalyptic' galactic society, or a 'dark age'. Technology still exists, just not the relay network. Just not reaper technology.

Therefore, Pol Pot is not relevant.

Everything that makes the Mass Effect universe work is based on Reaper technology.
You can't just throw it out. It doesn't work, it's creatively bankrupt and malicious.

[Ryoten]

Liara died during harbingers laser for me. This is false.

[Solduri]

The Angry One wrote...

Militarized wrote...

Where you see Brave New Galaxy I see New Galactic Dark Age, if they haven't recovered after 10k years... I can only imagine most if not all the tech is destroyed and they are dealing with the ignorant struggles we had to deal with before getting to the stars all over again.

Yes there were issues with galactic politics but there are so many more issues that that technology and cooperation had or were fixing... ugh... all this is seriously ruining Mass Effect for me. Reset buttons are SO cliche and dumb.

I despise technological resets.
You know who tried that in real life? Pol Pot. Yeah that worked out so well didn't it?

truth in this 

[The Angry One]

Ryoten wrote...

Liara died during harbingers laser for me. This is false.

Space magic resurrects her and teleports her to the Normandy.

[HappyBuddha99]

Khayness wrote...

For extra insult, google "space winter" and marvel at those scenes.

BioWare sure does love stock photos.

Omg Why did you have to post this. Ignorance is bliss....

[DiegoRaphael]

I don't know if it has been comented here.

But i remember reading here on BSN, that Javik at some point, says that the Asari had Hair in the past, but then they started mating with lizards. Which also explain their skin.

Would something like that be possible to happen between human/asari? But just thinking that the only Asari in there was Liara... Damn...

[Klijpope]

The Angry One wrote...
Everything that makes the Mass Effect universe work is based on Reaper technology.
You can't just throw it out. It doesn't work, it's creatively bankrupt and malicious.

No it isn't. Element Zero was not invented by reapers. Only the relay network that existed. Aethyta muses on building "our own relays" in ME2.

It has to be thrown out. That's been a lingering theme since ME1, and of course it still works. It is not the relay network that makes the ME universe what it is. They're just a more intriguing version of jump gates at one level, an existential trap at the other. The universe is made up of krogan, asari, turians, and so on. It is made up by it's history.

This is the end of the Roman Empire, not Year Zero.

Creatively bankrupt is rather strong and a matter of taste anyway. Malicious? . Was Tolkien malicious when destroying the One Ring also diminished the elves and especially the wise ones, the Galadriels and the Gandalfs, and so they passed on to the West, and a new age dawns? That's a better comparison.