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[nevar00]

Nageth wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Nageth wrote...

Why create a dark age if you're not going to have your next game be on the back end of it? If you're just going to have the mass relays be rebuilt and everything mostly back to normal for the next triology why blow them up in the first place?

That is assuming they were primarly concerned about lying the ground for a sequel. A rather bold assumption. Frankly, to me, it looked like they wanted to ensure there won't be a sequel. The fact that you can literally make every living being in the galaxy have VISIBLE synthetic parts in one ending and not in another 2 makes it virtually impossible to create a sequel to these endings.

They've been rather vocal about keeping the Mass Effect IP alive after they killed Shepard. My assumption was future and not past.

And if the Protheans already created a mass relay I doubt it would be that much of a stretch for the current cycle to make them too.

As far as the endings, I pretty much just assumed synthesis would be non-canon and they'd either have all the reapers vaporized or otherwise leave the galaxy to explain the absense of them. So yes, I was making an assumption regarding the endings (and any new game would have to be many many years).

The Protheans never completed the Relay, and they were far more advanced than this cycle.

Also this cycle's top scientists are dead or scattered, armies are stuck, places that would need aid to rebuild won't be getting it, there's no way to coordinate building two relays nevermind all of them, any needed materials would be next to impossible to get... and on top of that the Destroy ending kills most advanced technology.  Yeah there's no building of the relays.  They killed the series regardless of your choices and I fully expect any future games to be in the past. 

I also interpreted the child/grandfather scene as the legend being passed down and the kid curious if life existed outside the galaxy.

Modifié par nevar00, 23 mars 2012 - 04:02 .

[Gibb_Shepard]

IsaacShep wrote...

Nageth wrote...

I don't really care about the Asari lore thing (eh, whatever, space magic) but 10k years just doesn't make sense. The pulse would have to literally give everyone amnesia to get anywhere close to that long of a dark age.

Why do you assume the galaxy is still in dark age during Stargazer's scene?

Because it is insinuated that they have not yet found a way to travel through space.

[MACharlie1]

My God...besides the stargazer ending....anyone else reading what else is in this thing? How many times do they have to describe how "stunning and beautiful" Liara is in her entrance directions? Mary Sue sense is tingling.

[HairyMadDog1010]

Rafe34 wrote...

HairyMadDog1010 wrote...

wathc me tyep wrote...

Nageth wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Nageth wrote...

I don't really care about the Asari lore thing (eh, whatever, space magic) but 10k years just doesn't make sense. The pulse would have to literally give everyone amnesia to get anywhere close to that long of a dark age.

Why do you assume the galaxy is still in dark age during Stargazer's scene?

Why create a dark age if you're not going to have your next game be on the back end of it? If you're just going to have the mass relays be rebuilt and everything mostly back to normal for the next triology why blow them up in the first place?

...because you get rid of reaper tech. Who said anything about rebuilding relays?

This too, it would allow for true freedom in spaceflight, not being shackled by the relays.

How do the relays "shackle" you, exactly?

As long as the relays are up, society will use them and will only explore along there path, who would want to wander the stars when you could just use a relay and pop out in a nice homey system.

Remeber the relays were originally a trap created to foce sociey to develope along the reapers chosen path, without the relays races would be forced to truly explore.

[Nageth]

IsaacShep wrote...

Nageth wrote...

They've been rather vocal about keeping the Mass Effect IP alive after they killed Shepard. My assumption was future and not past.

Which may not be a correct assumption. I mean, look at Star Wars. The Old Republic era is basically the second most popular thing of this IP yet it's all essentially a prequel, not a continuation

Problem is humans won't exist outside of caves prior to the ME1-3 cycle. That may not be a popular idea (I'd be okay with it). Then there is the whole Reapers going to invade and kill everyone no matter what thing. We saw how well the fan base reacted with that kind of story already.

Kotor worked because it was far enough back that it was detatched from Star Wars movie plots. You weren't going to run into Darth Vader or whatnot. So it was effectively a new universe. Mass Effect prior to ME3 will always have Reapers as the ultimate bad guys which would kind of box them in as far as what they could do in the game.

[Asnine112]

nevar00 wrote...

Nageth wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Nageth wrote...

Why create a dark age if you're not going to have your next game be on the back end of it? If you're just going to have the mass relays be rebuilt and everything mostly back to normal for the next triology why blow them up in the first place?

That is assuming they were primarly concerned about lying the ground for a sequel. A rather bold assumption. Frankly, to me, it looked like they wanted to ensure there won't be a sequel. The fact that you can literally make every living being in the galaxy have VISIBLE synthetic parts in one ending and not in another 2 makes it virtually impossible to create a sequel to these endings.

They've been rather vocal about keeping the Mass Effect IP alive after they killed Shepard. My assumption was future and not past.

And if the Protheans already created a mass relay I doubt it would be that much of a stretch for the current cycle to make them too.

As far as the endings, I pretty much just assumed synthesis would be non-canon and they'd either have all the reapers vaporized or otherwise leave the galaxy to explain the absense of them. So yes, I was making an assumption regarding the endings (and any new game would have to be many many years).

The Protheans never completed the Relay, and they were far more advanced than this cycle.

Also this cycle's top scientists are dead or scattered, armies are stuck, places that would need aid to rebuild won't be getting it, there's no way to coordinate building two relays nevermind all of them, any needed materials would be next to impossible to get... and on top of that the Destroy ending kills most advanced technology.  Yeah there's no building of the relays.  They killed the series regardless of your choices and I fully expect any future games to be in the past. 

I also interpreted the child/grandfather scene as the legend being passed down and the kid curious if life existed outside the galaxy.

um...yes they did.

[MakeMineMako]

Asnine112 wrote...

Once again, what species they are isn't what's interesting about this tidbit.



It's the fact that 10,000 years into the future galactic civilization is still non-existent, seeing as how people haven't made it back into space yet

Or maybe it's a race that hasn't achieved interstellar spaceflight yet.

[HairyMadDog1010]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Nageth wrote...

I don't really care about the Asari lore thing (eh, whatever, space magic) but 10k years just doesn't make sense. The pulse would have to literally give everyone amnesia to get anywhere close to that long of a dark age.

Why do you assume the galaxy is still in dark age during Stargazer's scene?

Because it is insinuated that they have not yet found a way to travel through space.

Or that the kid is to young to go on a starship. That is how vage that scene is.

[shepskisaac]

MACharlie1 wrote...

My God...besides the stargazer ending....anyone else reading what else is in this thing? How many times do they have to describe how "stunning and beautiful" Liara is in her entrance directions? Mary Sue sense is tingling.

The moment no one gave old Shadow Broker a bit of credit for essentially discovering Crucible was the moment I knew ME3 would go all Mary Sue-ish on Liara.

[Asuka Bianchini]

GUYS!!

Have you considered for a moment that this is just a note?

" 1: We see a child, maybe they look a little bit asari, a little bit human. They are looking at the stars on a planet some 10,000 years after the events of the game."

The way I read it: It can be asari OR human. Asari and Human shapes from that distance are very alike.
That phrase DOES NOT say it is a hybrid. ''it looks a little bit human'' ,,,,,,,,,,, ''a little bit asari'' -> it is not a shape where you can say ''for sure''.
Seriously...

[HairyMadDog1010]

The term dark age is relative. A dark age does not mean going back to living it straw houses, it just a term for a decaying period in a socity. Losing the mass relay network and leaving the races seperated but with space flight would still be a dark age.

[Maugrim]

Well I'm out if it's a dark age of 10,000 years. Hell I'm out if it's more than 30~ years before there is something like the mass relays in place to enable travel with reasonable time periods a matter of hours and days instead of weeks/months/years.

[StarGateGod]

Craigolas wrote...

RazorrX wrote...

it is because the reapers won, wiped out the civilized advance societies and the stargazer is a different race (thus the looks maybe asari, maybe human). They have found the time capsules left by Liara and are not yet able to travel in space. So "The Shepard" is a mythological figure to them at that time.

The ending is (as I think) you die at the reaper blast, everything after is your mind allowing you to let go and move on (including the space magic) and the last gasp if you have 5k EMS. The Reapers finish the cycle and the Stargazer is the NEXT cycle.

lol

I gotta say that makes alot of sense

[Nageth]

HairyMadDog1010 wrote...

The term dark age is relative. A dark age does not mean going back to living it straw houses, it just a term for a decaying period in a socity. Losing the mass relay network and leaving the races seperated but with space flight would still be a dark age.

Yup. Europe lost math and quite a bit of philosophy(thankfully a good bit of it was archived...what about the road and water system?). In ME they'll lose the Council government and mass relays. Loss of centralized government and easy transit would definately throw back civilication for a while.

[Pyewacket]

thatfilmgirl wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

Hey if Shepard is strong enough to be the only person in the history of the game to beat indoctrination I don't see why his sperm can't be strong enough to alter Asari DNA ...........

What about FemShep?

Apparantly she doesn't exist.  And apparatly we all tapped Liara.  My won't my LI be surprised.

[HairyMadDog1010]

Pyewacket wrote...

thatfilmgirl wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

Hey if Shepard is strong enough to be the only person in the history of the game to beat indoctrination I don't see why his sperm can't be strong enough to alter Asari DNA ...........

What about FemShep?

Apparantly she doesn't exist.  And apparatly we all tapped Liara.  My won't my LI be surprised.

Well hey that last meld did seem a bit off.....

[Pyewacket]

MACharlie1 wrote...

My God...besides the stargazer ending....anyone else reading what else is in this thing? How many times do they have to describe how "stunning and beautiful" Liara is in her entrance directions? Mary Sue sense is tingling.

I know right?  Between that and all the fans crying about the lack of little blue babies...

[ashwind]

It says looks a bit human, looks a bit asari... that doesnt make the boy half-asari/half-human....

Maybe it has Turian reach and Krogan quads as well

Gasp! A new specis? Neh, fans says tis impossible.

[Atalanta]

 
I don't know if anyone has already pointed this bit out, but:

"1: James comes out from cover, gun raised. Shepard slows his over-eager Sergeant (who doesn't know if Liara is a friend or foe). 
2: If Shepard has an active romance with Liara, she gives him a kiss. We get a shot of James raising an eyebrow at this beautiful blue alien kissing Shepard.  
3: Liara comes over, she's a very hot and obviously capable woman. James raises an eyebrow, intrigued. 
4: James holds out a hand. Liara smile at James, but doesn't respond verbally or shake his hand. She's friendly, but confident -- recognizing James' obvious wonder at seeing her. 
5: Shepard and Liara walk ahead of the others, silently acknowledging the gravity of the situation. Liara reaches out and touches Shepard's arm. 
6: Liara stops, puzzled for a second.. relief of Shepard's arrival passing, she realizes she doesn't know why Shepard is here. 
7: Shepard turns to go, not even engaging James in this argument, just stating the facts."

Reads like a bad fanfic, I love it. 
Edit: To fix bad formatting

Modifié par Atalanta, 23 mars 2012 - 05:06 .

[xdognatex]

FAKE

[I...AM...KROGAN]

I'm baffled by the comments in this thread. The vast majority of species in the Mass Effect universe are humanoid. Why is it a difficult concept to grasp that "maybe a little human, a little asari" probably means a new/unknown humanoid species and NOT a hybrid? And why does anyone assume the stargazers are of sufficient technological capability to travel in space? They might be as advanced as the current races or they might be at the level of humans today or thousands of years ago. We don't know, so maybe we should lower our torches and pitchforks and conclude that Bioware knows an asari-human hybrid is impossible (without genetic engineering).

[Atalanta]

xdognatex wrote...

FAKE

Pfft, there is no doubt that it is real, but this was made for internal developmenty purposes. Like a rough storyboard for the animators to go by.

[StarGateGod]

id like to say that there is nothing saying that people dont have starflgiht available, he said you could go to the stars one day perhaps he meant when he got older

[Militarized]

StarGateGod wrote...

id like to say that there is nothing saying that people dont have starflgiht available, he said you could go to the stars one day perhaps he meant when he got older

That's about as bad as the Indoc theory grasping now, quite honestly. It is purposfully worded in such a way that the kid is asking it just like the kids in the 50s were. 10k years is a lllooonnnggggg time developmentally and he's still wondering whether they'll reach the stars? 

Sorry... I say just accept it. 

Modifié par Militarized, 23 mars 2012 - 05:32 .

[Deviija]

Pyewacket wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

My God...besides the stargazer ending....anyone else reading what else is in this thing? How many times do they have to describe how "stunning and beautiful" Liara is in her entrance directions? Mary Sue sense is tingling.

I know right?  Between that and all the fans crying about the lack of little blue babies...

As much as I enjoyed Liara more this game, I will have to point to the entire franchise as evidence for Liara being the golden child of the series that the devs in particular seem to cling to.  The race of all blue babes in general, really. 

Anywho, the notes are interesting.  I pretty much guessed that's what it was supposed to be during that scene.  Sometime long after the events of ME3, with the grandfather and granddaughter/son being shadowed on purpose to make it difficult to tell what species they might be.  Though the explanation that they are recounting the tales found in Liara's time capsule is plausible, rather than being anything directly related to Shepard and Crew's descendants.