Trust Rocksteady, err..... I mean Bioware.
Trust Bioware
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#27
Posté 22 mars 2012 - 06:59
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I trust in my willing suspension of disbelief
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Posté 22 mars 2012 - 07:13
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Trust. Let me give you an example.
1. I pre-ordered ME3 without knowing it when their site was flashing "Available now" and it was 6th of March. I had to wait until March 9 EU launch and i discovered that only when i attempted to launch the game. Trust breach number 1.
2. I attempted to import my ME1 character and got face bug. Nowhere pre-release it was mentioned that there might be an issue with it. There's no way they missed such a show-stopper bug. Trust breach number 2.
3. Gameplay changed drastically. Controls removed eg. holstering and fov. Dialogues vague and not many choices. Kai Ling nearly pure cheap games character style as an insult to players intelligence as if the rest wasn't enough. Story inconsistencies and contradictions with prequels all along the ride for finishing line to final blow. Trust breach number 3.
Game returned. No trust at all.
I wonder what happened to BioWare. Used to be so great company that produced great games.
1. I pre-ordered ME3 without knowing it when their site was flashing "Available now" and it was 6th of March. I had to wait until March 9 EU launch and i discovered that only when i attempted to launch the game. Trust breach number 1.
2. I attempted to import my ME1 character and got face bug. Nowhere pre-release it was mentioned that there might be an issue with it. There's no way they missed such a show-stopper bug. Trust breach number 2.
3. Gameplay changed drastically. Controls removed eg. holstering and fov. Dialogues vague and not many choices. Kai Ling nearly pure cheap games character style as an insult to players intelligence as if the rest wasn't enough. Story inconsistencies and contradictions with prequels all along the ride for finishing line to final blow. Trust breach number 3.
Game returned. No trust at all.
I wonder what happened to BioWare. Used to be so great company that produced great games.
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#29
Posté 22 mars 2012 - 07:24
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No, do not blindly trust any company, ever. That's another example of how gamers are awful, terrible consumers,and they are the reason companies sell day one DLC and preorders, and want to charge money for reloads.
A company will always do what its executives think is in the company's best interest. Everytime. Whether that means giving you what you want or giving you a middle finger is yet to be seen, so patience is indeed called for.
One thing is absolutely sure, though. Gaming industry publishers KNOW the stupid spending habits of gamers and fully intend to expoit them to their company's greatest benfit. If you stop demanding a quality product because the executives throw you a PR bone, you the consumer will suffer for it in the end.
Bioware lacked the "artistic integrity" to stand up to EA long enough to deliver the quality ending which this series deserves, so they have no room to claim "artistic integrity" when the consumers demand the flaw be fixed. You either have it or you don't.
A company will always do what its executives think is in the company's best interest. Everytime. Whether that means giving you what you want or giving you a middle finger is yet to be seen, so patience is indeed called for.
One thing is absolutely sure, though. Gaming industry publishers KNOW the stupid spending habits of gamers and fully intend to expoit them to their company's greatest benfit. If you stop demanding a quality product because the executives throw you a PR bone, you the consumer will suffer for it in the end.
Bioware lacked the "artistic integrity" to stand up to EA long enough to deliver the quality ending which this series deserves, so they have no room to claim "artistic integrity" when the consumers demand the flaw be fixed. You either have it or you don't.
#30
Posté 22 mars 2012 - 07:25
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I trust video game developers about as much as I trust used car dealers or pawn shop owners. Regardless of how much I may or may not enjoy their product.
#31
Posté 22 mars 2012 - 07:30
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Vasarkian wrote...
Dragon Age 2.
Mass Effect 2 (Partially)
Mass Effect 3
The Old Republic..
Not looking good.
this....."cough" EA "cough"...
#32
Posté 22 mars 2012 - 07:33
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kbct wrote...
I trusted since 1998. Then I experienced the ending of ME3.
This
#33
Posté 22 mars 2012 - 07:34
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Forget the trust. How about we just see what Bioware offers before we starting kvetching about it.
#34
Posté 22 mars 2012 - 07:37
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Don't start riding the waves of trust just yet. They are still owned by EA, and that means you can never place blind trust in them.
#36
Posté 22 mars 2012 - 07:44
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No. Actions speak louder than words.
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Posté 22 mars 2012 - 07:47
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Trust is a lot like a mirror. It works great until you break it; it is hard to put it back together because you may get a few cuts on your hands while trying to put all the pieces back together. Once you fix it, you will always have it reminding you that what is seen can never look the same again.
The only thing you can do is be very careful not to break it again and wait until someone else buys you a new one (meaning you earned enough trust to allow them to "forgive and forget") or throw aside the old one yourself and work to get a new one yourself.
The only thing you can do is be very careful not to break it again and wait until someone else buys you a new one (meaning you earned enough trust to allow them to "forgive and forget") or throw aside the old one yourself and work to get a new one yourself.
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#38
Posté 22 mars 2012 - 08:03
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If it was only one mistake in an impeccable history, then sure.
That is not the case by any stretch of the imagination.
That is not the case by any stretch of the imagination.
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Posté 22 mars 2012 - 08:07
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aLucidMind wrote...
Trust is a lot like a mirror. It works great until you break it; it is hard to put it back together because you may get a few cuts on your hands while trying to put all the pieces back together. Once you fix it, you will always have it reminding you that what is seen can never look the same again.
Did you have that locked and loaded or did you just think that up? Nice.
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Posté 22 mars 2012 - 08:09
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kbct wrote...
aLucidMind wrote...
Trust is a lot like a mirror. It works great until you break it; it is hard to put it back together because you may get a few cuts on your hands while trying to put all the pieces back together. Once you fix it, you will always have it reminding you that what is seen can never look the same again.
Did you have that locked and loaded or did you just think that up? Nice.
I agree. Nice analogy.
#41
Posté 22 mars 2012 - 08:11
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Looks like I forgot to bring my high horse to this party. In BioWare I trust.
#42
Posté 22 mars 2012 - 08:15
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Well all I can say now is " I told you so! "
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Posté 22 mars 2012 - 08:16
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Wish i could honestly trust them, but i still have my doubts
#44
Posté 22 mars 2012 - 08:36
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Habs25 wrote...
Oh please, they are listening and they don't even have to. This whole thing will figure itself out, there is no reason to act like children. They are working on it and are doing more than most companies would for their fans, of course this is not even good enough for some people, but the truth is you can't fault the creator of a story for concluding it a certain way. Now you fault them for not responding in a way you like.
Like OP said, trust them.
i'd love to trust them but i can't. Reason being: took them over a week to respond. They could responded when petitions were forming. They chose not to. They could responded when there were 50 polls for keeping the ending or want a better ending. They chose not to. They lost that trust when they treated the fan base and gamers with such disrespect. Giving us a product that had very little ties to ME1 and ME2. The ending counterdicts your choices through the whole series...if it isn't an indoct. theory...thats the end?
To say we are acting like children? Bioware just pulled what a politican does for elections.
All talk; lack of action. I don't what a politican says unless actions followed through the words of a politican.
As for Bioware. Its talk of promises they made though out this year and last year...ME3 all is that talk is just talk. very little on a follow through.
So no we aren't acting like children. The people who act like children are the ones that changed the ending because it was leaked back in november.
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Posté 22 mars 2012 - 08:43
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Mars8309 wrote...
Habs25 wrote...
Oh please, they are listening and they don't even have to. This whole thing will figure itself out, there is no reason to act like children. They are working on it and are doing more than most companies would for their fans, of course this is not even good enough for some people, but the truth is you can't fault the creator of a story for concluding it a certain way. Now you fault them for not responding in a way you like.
Like OP said, trust them.
i'd love to trust them but i can't. Reason being: took them over a week to respond. They could responded when petitions were forming. They chose not to. They could responded when there were 50 polls for keeping the ending or want a better ending. They chose not to. They lost that trust when they treated the fan base and gamers with such disrespect. Giving us a product that had very little ties to ME1 and ME2. The ending counterdicts your choices through the whole series...if it isn't an indoct. theory...thats the end?
To say we are acting like children? Bioware just pulled what a politican does for elections.
All talk; lack of action. I don't what a politican says unless actions followed through the words of a politican.
As for Bioware. Its talk of promises they made though out this year and last year...ME3 all is that talk is just talk. very little on a follow through.
So no we aren't acting like children. The people who act like children are the ones that changed the ending because it was leaked back in november.
One thing to be mindful of a corporation is not a person. It takes time to get someone with enough authority to make a decision that can be reported. Cases have to be developed, estimates created, data collected before the corporation can react. The senior person is beholden to making diligent decisions - that requires time and data. By and large, their timing was all anyone could hope for from a corporation.
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Posté 22 mars 2012 - 08:54
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yea, I agree about the response timing. In corporate terms, I thought they responded very quickly. It does take a lot hoops to jump through to get ready for a press release that responds to negative feedback of your product.
Do I trust them? Not now, Not since this is their second game in a row where they promised that the choices we make in game matter in the end. Dragon Age 2 was the first and they didn't fix that one. I spent a lot of time going "WTH? Why would they do that since I did this, this and this?" But now they did it again to us in ME3...after promising that our choices in game WOULD matter in the end. Nothing matters except EMS in ME3.....and to pour salt in that wound, your galactic readiness gets broke back down to 50% if you don't keep Origin in online mode.
Trust is earned, not bestowed and once you lose it, you have to earn it back.....
start earning BioWare.
Do I trust them? Not now, Not since this is their second game in a row where they promised that the choices we make in game matter in the end. Dragon Age 2 was the first and they didn't fix that one. I spent a lot of time going "WTH? Why would they do that since I did this, this and this?" But now they did it again to us in ME3...after promising that our choices in game WOULD matter in the end. Nothing matters except EMS in ME3.....and to pour salt in that wound, your galactic readiness gets broke back down to 50% if you don't keep Origin in online mode.
Trust is earned, not bestowed and once you lose it, you have to earn it back.....
start earning BioWare.
#47
Posté 22 mars 2012 - 09:02
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Look I trusted Bioware on Dragon Age 2, received a ****ty dumbed down rpg.
Mass Effect 3 was their chance to redeem, guess what?
Mass Effect 3 was their chance to redeem, guess what?
#48
Posté 22 mars 2012 - 09:06
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Promised no A,B,C endings.
Deliver the very definition of A,B,C endings.
what the hell, man.
Deliver the very definition of A,B,C endings.
what the hell, man.
#49
Posté 22 mars 2012 - 09:08
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I had faith in BW since Baulders Gate and NWN1, I was leery when EA bought them, and with DA2 and ME3 confirms EA is a destructive force.
Never trusted EA, now BW as well. They're turning out worse than Activision. Now if BW breaks away from EA, that would be a day to rejoice.
DA2 was a horrible insult to the Dragon Age Universe. Crap game.
Never trusted EA, now BW as well. They're turning out worse than Activision. Now if BW breaks away from EA, that would be a day to rejoice.
DA2 was a horrible insult to the Dragon Age Universe. Crap game.
#50
Posté 22 mars 2012 - 09:08
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i trust bioware but not when ea is holding a gun to their heads i dont.
