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[Quietness]

I hear Morinth as LI has a larger secret role....

[Verkir]

y u no read my posty

[Dalorm]

Thane is a LI in ME3 (only if he was your LI in 2?) basically you talk about his condition for a few mins and then you have a paragon option to romance. Not as in depth as Liara or Tali but still doable.

[Semi-Sweet Serpent Charmer]

thejoyrider wrote...

you really shouldn't use the term jipped/gypped. it's an offensive stereotype slur.

anyway, straight female players totally got the shaft in ME3..and uh, not the good kind.

there's a few threads in the character forum discussing just this topic, actually.

protesting the poor treatment of thane, and jacob, protesting the poor treatment of ALL ME2 love interests, and a couple just for talking about why romances beyond kaidan, ashley and liara were left out in the cold. (garrus and tali had it a bit better than the other ME2 LI's too, to be fair) you should really check it out!

I didn't realize jipped was a slur, could you elaborate? 

Thanks for the heads up I can't seem to find said threads because these forums move so fast with all the ending drama, so I may have to dig back on page 100 or something to find them, but I'll look! 

I guess my point would sort of be what others have said too, that I'd rather have the development time put into either existing already great romances or into one or two extra romances that also have good development, instead of 6 extra crappy romances.   Wild oats, people! 

[Semi-Sweet Serpent Charmer]

Dalorm wrote...

Thane is a LI in ME3 (only if he was your LI in 2?) basically you talk about his condition for a few mins and then you have a paragon option to romance. Not as in depth as Liara or Tali but still doable.

Right, but you don't get a Paramour achievement for it.  Basically he dies before you unlock it, I guess? Not sure what the justification was behind that. 

[MissOuJ]

The line is kinda short for straight f!Sheps, if you left Kaidan behind in Virmire, it gets even shorter. Actually, scratch that: if you start a new game in ME3 and choose to save Ashley, you have no male romance options available at all. Nada. And even if you did romance someone in ME2 - who wasn't Garrus - you get the short end of the stick anyway: Thane dies and Jacob... that was just evil. I never romances him myself, but come on! Would've liked to see the drama if Tali had cheated on the Tali!mancers and then left them for Reegar... and Reegar had told them "I'm better for her! *trollface*" There would've been blood.

So, yeah, no romance for my Ashley saving femShep then, I guess...

[thesnake777]

OP I do agree that you lady gamers didn't make out so well this round..(or any round in this franchise for that matter)
I romanced Jack and she got sidelined for the most part... so really unless it was a ME1 romance or Garrus and Tali we all got screwed.

[ShepardTheHopeful]

the only romance a femshep really needs. Isn't true love really what it's all about?

[Alexius]

Quietness wrote...

I hear Morinth as LI has a larger secret role....

I cracked as soon as the music started playing.

[ObserverStatus]

I'm going to have to disagree with the OP. I'm a straight male and I totally got jipped too. What Bioware did to Morinth was unforgivable. She was the only LI I liked.

[DarkSideZin]

Normandy needs a kitchen, that's all.

[Semi-Sweet Serpent Charmer]

LadyWench wrote...

I see what you're saying here, as another straight female who always plays straight female characters (not because I have anything against anyone else--in fact, I'm happy the gay Shep movement got their wish in ME3--it's just more that I tend to play my characters with the same kinds of choices I might make in RL. Regardless of prefernse, strong heroines just kick ass in general, I think). And I agree with the assessment about Traynor, something I know others have brought up in other threads. Though I think your count might be a little off...

I feel bad for people who romanced Jacob (especially, I mean OUCH) or Thane. They didn't really get much fanservice themselves.

To be honest, though, I'd rather have just Garrus and Kaidan (as you said, two really great options) to choose from than have them add any male spacefillers like Allers for an option. Just my opinion, though, no need to go spreading it around.

EDIT: I did check out yourpie chart. We're close, but that few percent can still equal thousands of individuals. I know this was mentioned, but despite how we feel, there ARE still more guy gamers out there than girls. And the industry perceives that divide as larger than your chart (perception is everything).  And, I know many of them are friends of mine who play as fem characters, hence the options I think you're getting. "Fair"? Subjectively, maybe not. But that's the demographic for ya.

I do kind of agree, that I'd probably never romance anyone else besides Garrus and Kaiden, but I think that's because they're just so, so well written and well developed. They've had time to age properly and have sexy scars as a result   

I've also been playing games since I was a week tyke, so having the margin between male and female gamers be as close as it is now seems HUGE compared to the days where we were all forced to wear a male protagonist in every game we played. (Not that I minded in Quest for Glory).  Perhaps your right and that 16% difference represents thousands of others, but I think the female demographic is growing because games are actually tailoring some content towards them now, which draws in more players.  Not every girl wants to suck it up and just play as a male anyway.  

[StartOrange]

Short Cake Slayer wrote...

I know :S  Were there any lesbian romances in ME2 at all?   I would assume Jack is one (as she actually has a bisexual background and tells you about a threesome relationship she was in with her two previous partners) but I never tried to persue her, and she's not an option for ME3.  classic.  I felt that way about Kaiden, as well.  It just seemed to come out of left field.   

 I don't think men are the majority anymore; it's gotten pretty equal, as seen in the amazing pie chart I linked to in the OP.  (I'm such a fan of pie charts) 

Don't think there was any homosexual romance in ME2.

Although I understand your concern in this matter, Bioware still - like others have pointed out - does way more then any other developer when it comes to this. ME3 and the Dragon Age franchise have done a phenomenal job compared to other games where homosexual relations is pretty much nonexistent.

[Dalorm]

Short Cake Slayer wrote...

Dalorm wrote...

Thane is a LI in ME3 (only if he was your LI in 2?) basically you talk about his condition for a few mins and then you have a paragon option to romance. Not as in depth as Liara or Tali but still doable.

Right, but you don't get a Paramour achievement for it.  Basically he dies before you unlock it, I guess? Not sure what the justification was behind that. 

Didnt know you were looking to get the acheivement, was just listing an option that hadnt been listed, sorry for the misunderstanding.

[iheartbob]

I just want to note that the romance with Thane is not completely ignored.  Granted, after act 1, when he dies, it's completely over with.  I thought the prayer you get to recite with his son was beautiful, though I'm not sure if everyone gets that option regardless.

With that said, I still wanted to experience the full "romanc" of the game, so that particular Shepard moved on to Kaiden.  Not gonna lie, it felt a little weird for me, but I was able to canonize it because I'm pretty sure Thane would have wanted Shepard to be happy.  (For the short time she has.)

I feel really bad for people who romanced Jacob.  I never did in any of my ME2 playthroughs, but it really sucks for those who really liked him and have no option whatsoever to continue the romance.
 

[suusuuu]

Dalorm wrote...

Thane is a LI in ME3 (only if he was your LI in 2?) basically you talk about his condition for a few mins and then you have a paragon option to romance. Not as in depth as Liara or Tali but still doable.

Doesn't give you the achievement though.

[thejoyrider]

Short Cake Slayer wrote...


I didn't realize jipped was a slur, could you elaborate? 

it's based on "gypsy" and reinforces negative stereotypes about a culture of people. (most commonly romany or irish travellers who still recieve an incredible amount of discrimination..especially in europe). it has the same connotations as using the word "jewed" as an verb, but still much more socially acceptable...and it shouldn't be. (and don't take this to mean that i think you are prejudiced or anything, i don't think you had any sort of sinister intentions, i just don't think as many people understand that it's a hurtful term or it's history)

actually, here is a link that explains it better than me: http://racerelations...ed-Racist_2.htm

[thejoyrider]

DarkSideZin wrote...

Normandy needs a kitchen, that's all.

the normandy has a kitchen! vega even made huevos rancheros in it in ME3 while talking to.....somebody. i think javik?

[MissOuJ]

Short Cake Slayer wrote...

I didn't realize jipped was a slur, could you elaborate?

Jipped/Gypped = cheated (out of smth)

Comes from the word Gypsy, and implies all Roma(ni) people are cheats and thieves.

It is commonly considered a racial slur, but not many people seem to be aware of it.

Hope this helps.

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Modifié par MissOuJ, 22 mars 2012 - 08:40 .

[ObserverStatus]

thejoyrider wrote...
you really shouldn't use the term jipped/gypped. it's an offensive stereotype slur.

Jipped USED to be a racial slur, not so much anymore.  Hooligan, vandal, barbarian, and cannibal all used to be racial slurs too, but languages change. bit.ly/EfdP

[AGogley]

Good grief. It's not good enough that they provide options for people with all kinds of tastes, but they need to offer everybody equal numbers of options?

Just goes to show you can't make everybody happy.

[suusuuu]

LadyWench wrote...

suusuuu wrote...

There's also the fact that 100% of love interests for male shepard look human.

For the female straight Shepard we get 50% non-human, one human and Jacob (eww)

Never thought about that! Also, LOL at your Jacob comment. Good to know I'm not the only one who didn't fall for their weak attempt at eyecandy.

Yeaaah, when I learned he was actually a love interest I had weird feels. And it really pissed me off that femshep couldn't talk to him normally. All paragon dialogue options for Jacob sounded like she was hitting on him In the end, I stopped talking to him altogether, because it was just weird.

[blacqout]

suusuuu wrote...

There's also the fact that 100% of love interests for male shepard look human.

For the female straight Shepard we get 50% non-human, one human and Jacob (eww)

After the OPs comparing white males to plantation owners, this comment is especially sad.

Jacob might have dark skin, but he is a human.

[Semi-Sweet Serpent Charmer]

Verkir wrote...

Not to bash your point but I would just like to point something out.

Mass Effect in general is(was) about your choices, however you choices were also influenced by the events around you, namely the characters. The crew of the Normandy isn't that large even across all 3 games. My point is that if you find yourself as a female gamer who wants a different kind of man/girl to romance well that is just part of the plot. Your Shepard is going to be lonely because you aren't around anyone you might be attracted to.

Now I know that sounds like a mega cop out and it partially is but the bottom line is while you pilot your own Shepard the game characters around you pilot "their" own lives. I for one as a straight male would have absolutely loved to romance traynor, she is smart, doesn't look like an inbred monkey and funny but i wadn't dealt that hand.

I do agree though that more romance options would be nice but logistically that just a nightmare, million of people play, you can't make everyone 100% happy.

If what you said is correct then male Sheps have more romances because in the game world they as straight men would have more opportunity than anyone else to be around people they'd be attracted to?  Which would indicate that...the world simply had more straight females available!  Wait, wasn't the world created by developers?  And wouldn't the developers be in charge of what's in that world, including who's available to romance?  

I'm teasing you, but your point seems kind of meh. I get what you're saying, but this is a video game; the opportunities presented to us in it are crafted by people, including the romances.  The romances have been crafted to cater to a demographic, nothing more or less complicated then that.  If it were real life and I was complaining about not having anyone to love, your argument would make sense, because I would indeed have a choice pool that consisted of billions of consenting adults over the age of 18.    

Plus, females did have some great choices; they just got nixed completely. And were replaced with absolute fluff options.   If logistics is the problem, then why even spend the hours making romances like Traynor and Allers?  Spend that time on the existing males that female players already like instead of getting rid of them.   I do think it's awesome that they've added more options for lesbian players, but  they also added more options to the already overflowing pool of girls the straight males can romance, too.  It's been said on here before, that we'd rather have that time dedicated to one or two extra options for the minority instead of adding more relationships to the majority who already have a crap ton as it is. 

[CheeseEnchilada]

AGogley wrote...

Good grief. It's not good enough that they provide options for people with all kinds of tastes, but they need to offer everybody equal numbers of options?

Just goes to show you can't make everybody happy.

Equal? Not necessarily. But when you give people romances in the second game that you expect them to get attached to (especially the PS3 players, who don't have the first game) and then yank away only the straight female options, it can be a little grating. I don't think anyone was expecting total equality, but the way they treated the ME2 options, especially the female ones, doesn't seem quite right for the end of a trilogy.

Modifié par CheeseEnchilada, 22 mars 2012 - 08:44 .