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[palacios]

so, I have a question. With Thane, I heard that if Kirrahe lives and you dont speak to Thane before the citadel attack, Kirrahe dies instead. What happens to Thane? Does he just disappear ?

[RedTail F22]

I've posted about stuff like this over and over when the threads arent just about the endings. I dont particularly have an opinion on why everyone besides the straight male gamer get less romance options but I do have an opinion on how we were all screwed in terms of ME3 romance. I was hoping for consequences for having two LI. Instead we get "Pick her or her, ok move on." Thats it! Super dissapointment.Here's what I wanted/ expecting:


- First of all Shepard gets to have both LI in the Normandy. This will allow for Shepard to have to face the fact that he/she has two LI and he loves them both (If you choose to continue the romance with both of them like the previous ME games). So allow players to have at least 1 ME2 character in the squad with them.

- There should be a growing tension that developes throughout the game between Shepard his two LI as they continue to fight for Shepard's love and pressuring him into picking one. Think about all the great dialogue that could be created for these moments. And not just from the LI and Shepard but from Joker and Garrus as they observe this fiasco Shepard has put himself in.

- As tension grows and Shepard is pressured to choose the emotional stress is something that Bioware could really build onto. And as Shepard feels it I know I would feel it as well considering I built a relationship with my two LI in the first two games.

- For once it would be nice if Shepard didnt have to work to get the lovin but rather others worked for his/hers. Let the LI's try to win Shepard over.

- That Epic moment when I have to pick one. All the heartfelt dialouge and romantic tension finally builds up to the EPIC moment where you have to pick one or the other. Possibly even during a scene where one of them might live or die. (As an added bonus if my Paragon/Renegade is high enough I could still save both). I would deffinitely feel like crying man tears at this point but would be more satisfied with my choice.


So thats how I would have liked to see it anyway. More drama because thats just what my Shepard likes to create, and therefore a more epic and fulfilling romantic storyline. Also its a nice bonus for those who played the previous Mass Effects. A gift if you will. Its too bad we got what we got.

[CheeseEnchilada]

Odd Bet wrote...

CheeseEnchilada wrote...
And why is it that you can semi-rekindle the relationship with Thane, but no one bothers to mourn him and he doesn't get the Paramour achievement? Even if you didn't romance Thane, the fact that no one cares that he died is a little irritating. If you did...well, look at a romanced Miranda's optional death scene. There is so much more emotion in an optional scene if you fail to save her than there is in Thane's mandatory scene, romanced or not.

Patrick Weekes discussed this a bit on his blog. He attributed it to the fact that the team was so focused on dealing with reactions to the potential death of the VS (if you shot them in the confrontation) and the fact that Thane may not even have been encountered in ME3. Basically, he admitted that they neglected to address the issue of Shepard having potentially lost a lover/close friend, but said that it was not intentional.

Ah, thank you for enlightening me! Still incredibly disappointing, but it not being intentional is a comfort, at least.

[CheeseEnchilada]

palacios wrote...

so, I have a question. With Thane, I heard that if Kirrahe lives and you dont speak to Thane before the citadel attack, Kirrahe dies instead. What happens to Thane? Does he just disappear ?

He dies off-screen and his name gets added to the wall without comment. Doesn't look like there's any way to save him.

[Renzor004]

RedTail F22 wrote...

I've posted about stuff like this over and over when the threads arent just about the endings. I dont particularly have an opinion on why everyone besides the straight male gamer get less romance options but I do have an opinion on how we were all screwed in terms of ME3 romance. I was hoping for consequences for having two LI. Instead we get "Pick her or her, ok move on." Thats it! Super dissapointment.Here's what I wanted/ expecting:


- First of all Shepard gets to have both LI in the Normandy. This will allow for Shepard to have to face the fact that he/she has two LI and he loves them both (If you choose to continue the romance with both of them like the previous ME games). So allow players to have at least 1 ME2 character in the squad with them.

- There should be a growing tension that developes throughout the game between Shepard his two LI as they continue to fight for Shepard's love and pressuring him into picking one. Think about all the great dialogue that could be created for these moments. And not just from the LI and Shepard but from Joker and Garrus as they observe this fiasco Shepard has put himself in.

- As tension grows and Shepard is pressured to choose the emotional stress is something that Bioware could really build onto. And as Shepard feels it I know I would feel it as well considering I built a relationship with my two LI in the first two games.

- For once it would be nice if Shepard didnt have to work to get the lovin but rather others worked for his/hers. Let the LI's try to win Shepard over.

- That Epic moment when I have to pick one. All the heartfelt dialouge and romantic tension finally builds up to the EPIC moment where you have to pick one or the other. Possibly even during a scene where one of them might live or die. (As an added bonus if my Paragon/Renegade is high enough I could still save both). I would deffinitely feel like crying man tears at this point but would be more satisfied with my choice.


So thats how I would have liked to see it anyway. More drama because thats just what my Shepard likes to create, and therefore a more epic and fulfilling romantic storyline. Also its a nice bonus for those who played the previous Mass Effects. A gift if you will. Its too bad we got what we got.

sounds to me like you really want to have women fighting over you

[Semi-Sweet Serpent Charmer]

Renzor004 wrote...


wait what?! garrus and tali hook up if you dont romance them? i must see a vid of this! i mean i remember them getting friendly and chatting on the normandy, but i didnt know they'd go so far as to romance each other :X


if that's the case... then i'd really rather choose to romance Jack and have tali and garrus get together i think...

Fact.  

Garrus.  "Talibating" in the gun room.

[Joush]

It would have been nice to have some more fleshed out romantic options. Of course, I wanted to romance Karen Chakwas.

[palacios]

palacios wrote...

so, I have a question. With Thane, I heard that if Kirrahe lives and you dont speak to Thane before the citadel attack, Kirrahe dies instead. What happens to Thane? Does he just disappear ?

I see why it's unfair and just seems weird for Femshep to have less straight options in ME3, especially with James, all the flirting for nothing... though it was funny. But I can see why they would focus more on manshep since he's the marketing one.  Even with Garrus, there's not much of difference between having him as a friend or LI, except for the occasional cheek brush... With Kaidan, if you dont romance him in ME1, but romance him ME3, is the relationship less in depth than if you had romanced him in ME1?

meant to edit not quote....

Modifié par palacios, 22 mars 2012 - 09:25 .

[Helen0rz]

No kidding. Jacob and Thane doesn't count since:

-one died of a very heroic death. Even he didn't die there, he'll die because of his sickness either way, and that was acknowledged since 2.

-one couldn't bother to wait, cheated and then pretend a breakup took place and proceed to let you know he knocked up another girl.

Got to be kidding me...

[Tj388]

you have to realize that the characters in mass effect 1 and 2 there was not one gay character so suddenly changing them to be bisexual in the 3rd one would be pretty wierd and adding more then one new gay character on the normady would just be unrealistic but on strait femsheps you have kaidan garrus thane & jacob granted jacob isnt really romanceable in this game

[Helen0rz]

And that Jessica Chobot report pretty much served 0 purpose other than to have adult time with. Seriously, you actually talk to her like 3 times and then you can get her in your bed...er...ok...

[palacios]

Helen0rz wrote...

No kidding. Jacob and Thane doesn't count since:

-one died of a very heroic death. Even he didn't die there, he'll die because of his sickness either way, and that was acknowledged since 2.

-one couldn't bother to wait, cheated and then pretend a breakup took place and proceed to let you know he knocked up another girl.

Got to be kidding me...

seriously, why would anyone cheat on Shepard.. Jacob is dumb. Shepard is only the most amazing person in this universe. 

[Semi-Sweet Serpent Charmer]

RedTail F22 wrote...

I've posted about stuff like this over and over when the threads arent just about the endings. I dont particularly have an opinion on why everyone besides the straight male gamer get less romance options but I do have an opinion on how we were all screwed in terms of ME3 romance. I was hoping for consequences for having two LI. Instead we get "Pick her or her, ok move on." Thats it! Super dissapointment.Here's what I wanted/ expecting:


- First of all Shepard gets to have both LI in the Normandy. This will allow for Shepard to have to face the fact that he/she has two LI and he loves them both (If you choose to continue the romance with both of them like the previous ME games). So allow players to have at least 1 ME2 character in the squad with them.

And you know, they've done this before with other games.  Which seems weird that it didn't happen here, right? I mean, honestly for me it was nice not to have to deal with drama; my character was loyal throughout ME2 to Kaiden but I've read that if you cheat the other character confronts you about it, you either stay or leave, but essentially everyone just moves on. No fights or tense conversations.  If you pick one person everyone's fine afterwards.  Which is kind of nice, as I get stomach twisty and tongue tied even in video games when having to pick between people, much less when I've had to in real life. Kind of a ****ty situation, but it definitely would have added to "le drama" of the romances. 

[Semi-Sweet Serpent Charmer]

Helen0rz wrote...

No kidding. Jacob and Thane doesn't count since:

-one died of a very heroic death. Even he didn't die there, he'll die because of his sickness either way, and that was acknowledged since 2.

-one couldn't bother to wait, cheated and then pretend a breakup took place and proceed to let you know he knocked up another girl.

Got to be kidding me...

Right.  Kind of a dick move.   Not exactly the thing one of the moral sounding boards of ME2 would do, you think? 

[Renzor004]

Short Cake Slayer wrote...

RedTail F22 wrote...

I've posted about stuff like this over and over when the threads arent just about the endings. I dont particularly have an opinion on why everyone besides the straight male gamer get less romance options but I do have an opinion on how we were all screwed in terms of ME3 romance. I was hoping for consequences for having two LI. Instead we get "Pick her or her, ok move on." Thats it! Super dissapointment.Here's what I wanted/ expecting:


- First of all Shepard gets to have both LI in the Normandy. This will allow for Shepard to have to face the fact that he/she has two LI and he loves them both (If you choose to continue the romance with both of them like the previous ME games). So allow players to have at least 1 ME2 character in the squad with them.

And you know, they've done this before with other games.  Which seems weird that it didn't happen here, right? I mean, honestly for me it was nice not to have to deal with drama; my character was loyal throughout ME2 to Kaiden but I've read that if you cheat the other character confronts you about it, you either stay or leave, but essentially everyone just moves on. No fights or tense conversations.  If you pick one person everyone's fine afterwards.  Which is kind of nice, as I get stomach twisty and tongue tied even in video games when having to pick between people, much less when I've had to in real life. Kind of a ****ty situation, but it definitely would have added to "le drama" of the romances. 

i distinctly remember Jack telling me to "**** OFF" everytime i would go visit her in ME2 after sleeping with her and then stickin with Tali just sayin that's pretty tense heh.

[RedTail F22]

Renzor004 wrote...

RedTail F22 wrote...

I've posted about stuff like this over and over when the threads arent just about the endings. I dont particularly have an opinion on why everyone besides the straight male gamer get less romance options but I do have an opinion on how we were all screwed in terms of ME3 romance. I was hoping for consequences for having two LI. Instead we get "Pick her or her, ok move on." Thats it! Super dissapointment.Here's what I wanted/ expecting:


- First of all Shepard gets to have both LI in the Normandy. This will allow for Shepard to have to face the fact that he/she has two LI and he loves them both (If you choose to continue the romance with both of them like the previous ME games). So allow players to have at least 1 ME2 character in the squad with them.

- There should be a growing tension that developes throughout the game between Shepard his two LI as they continue to fight for Shepard's love and pressuring him into picking one. Think about all the great dialogue that could be created for these moments. And not just from the LI and Shepard but from Joker and Garrus as they observe this fiasco Shepard has put himself in.

- As tension grows and Shepard is pressured to choose the emotional stress is something that Bioware could really build onto. And as Shepard feels it I know I would feel it as well considering I built a relationship with my two LI in the first two games.

- For once it would be nice if Shepard didnt have to work to get the lovin but rather others worked for his/hers. Let the LI's try to win Shepard over.

- That Epic moment when I have to pick one. All the heartfelt dialouge and romantic tension finally builds up to the EPIC moment where you have to pick one or the other. Possibly even during a scene where one of them might live or die. (As an added bonus if my Paragon/Renegade is high enough I could still save both). I would deffinitely feel like crying man tears at this point but would be more satisfied with my choice.


So thats how I would have liked to see it anyway. More drama because thats just what my Shepard likes to create, and therefore a more epic and fulfilling romantic storyline. Also its a nice bonus for those who played the previous Mass Effects. A gift if you will. Its too bad we got what we got.

sounds to me like you really want to have women fighting over you

Lol, is that so wrong of me?

[Renzor004]

Short Cake Slayer wrote...

Helen0rz wrote...

No kidding. Jacob and Thane doesn't count since:

-one died of a very heroic death. Even he didn't die there, he'll die because of his sickness either way, and that was acknowledged since 2.

-one couldn't bother to wait, cheated and then pretend a breakup took place and proceed to let you know he knocked up another girl.

Got to be kidding me...

Right.  Kind of a dick move.   Not exactly the thing one of the moral sounding boards of ME2 would do, you think? 

well conservative moral sounding boards usually end up being hypocrits so im not surprised

[Semi-Sweet Serpent Charmer]

Renzor004 wrote...


well conservative moral sounding boards usually end up being hypocrits so im not surprised

[RedTail F22]

Short Cake Slayer wrote...

RedTail F22 wrote...

I've posted about stuff like this over and over when the threads arent just about the endings. I dont particularly have an opinion on why everyone besides the straight male gamer get less romance options but I do have an opinion on how we were all screwed in terms of ME3 romance. I was hoping for consequences for having two LI. Instead we get "Pick her or her, ok move on." Thats it! Super dissapointment.Here's what I wanted/ expecting:


- First of all Shepard gets to have both LI in the Normandy. This will allow for Shepard to have to face the fact that he/she has two LI and he loves them both (If you choose to continue the romance with both of them like the previous ME games). So allow players to have at least 1 ME2 character in the squad with them.

And you know, they've done this before with other games.  Which seems weird that it didn't happen here, right? I mean, honestly for me it was nice not to have to deal with drama; my character was loyal throughout ME2 to Kaiden but I've read that if you cheat the other character confronts you about it, you either stay or leave, but essentially everyone just moves on. No fights or tense conversations.  If you pick one person everyone's fine afterwards.  Which is kind of nice, as I get stomach twisty and tongue tied even in video games when having to pick between people, much less when I've had to in real life. Kind of a ****ty situation, but it definitely would have added to "le drama" of the romances. 

Imo the drama would only be there as a consequence of finding a new LI in ME2 instead of staying loyal to your first LI. Then drama could be created in ME3 if and only if Shepard doesnt make his choice at the beginning of the game. That way I thought it would be fair to those who like the drama and those who did not.

Modifié par RedTail F22, 22 mars 2012 - 09:44 .

[Gedgehog]

I felt that after romancing Miranda - I got shafted. She makes little appearance in the 3rd game, and the love scene isn't even great.

[Deviija]

Tj388 wrote...
 adding more then one new gay character on the normady would just be unrealistic

Diana, Liara, and Samantha Traynor in ME3 are all bisexual/gay options *on the Normandy* for FemShep.  Kelly Chambers is a bisexual option if she's alive and can be pursued as well.  So, apparently it's only 'unrealistic' when there is more than one gay male character.  I see. 

[Shanook]

Interesting point, OP, but we FemShep players get Garrus. I'd say that actually puts us ahead of BroShep players.

[Semi-Sweet Serpent Charmer]

tenacious_err wrote...

I actually disagree with this. The fact is the only "deep" romances, imo, are Kaidan/Ashley/Garrus/Tali/Liara. That makes the count nearly even. Cortez is a nice addition in ME3, and I think it's good that Kaidan is bisexual now. But if we do count the above as the deep romances then there's one for a gay male (two if we count Cortez, which feels like the most well-done romance that isn't the above,) one for a lesbian, two for straight women and three for straight men which isn't the worst thing in the world.

All of the ME2 romances besides Garrus and Tali were brief scenes that, I believe, could not get you the paramour achievement. Thane was dying. He tells you that right in ME2. The fact that there was a Thane romance at all seems like a fan service to me.

I mean I could feel this way because I was a Kaidan girl so I was happy with ME3, but honestly I just don't think that there are more options for males means that there are better options. The only truly unfair thing in my mind is Jacob's romance. On the one hand it's an interesting concept that someone didn't wait around for Shepard, but on the other I wish that feeling was at least paralleled (if not directly cheating then with someone moving on,) in a female character.

I think what I'm asking for (and I may not have been clear) is just better romances for a more diverse group of people, rather than simply just more romances for one group (and the added ones in ME3 were pretty crappy compared to the longstanding romances throughout the series).   I've actually felt fine in past BioWare games where there's only been a few romance options; like one or two options for each gender and sexual preference.  If we did two romance options for each combination of gender and sexual preference and then maybe two extra characters that are bisexual,w e'd probably have less number of characters romanceable than we do now  and they'd probably have more time put into them, thus better written romances and more character development.  I would rather have, say, an actual well developed homosexual options for males and females instead of two extra fluff female romances, especially an extra one for straight male characters that already have FIVE good romances to pick from.   It would be a simple re-allotment of time.  I'm all for well written romance and char dev rather than just a higher quanity of options, if it means more quality lovin for us all  

[Semi-Sweet Serpent Charmer]

Shanook wrote...

Interesting point, OP, but we FemShep players get Garrus. I'd say that actually puts us ahead of BroShep players.

GAHAHAHA.  If only the men knew how true that is They do get an awfully smarmy BroMance scene with Garrus, though, on top of the Presidium. He's just probably the best thing ever written ever and no one can deny it. 

[Samzo77]

Reading some notes from the devs and writers, they made Liara, Kaiden, and Ashley the romances of choice with the intent to have them gone in the second game, and there to come back to in the final game. This made these three choices the most robust because they extended across all three games, and they were planned from the beginning.
The addition of Tali and Garrus in the second game as romance options was a response to the fans, and they brought it across into the third game because they would continue to be integral characters. The rest of the romance options from two and three seem more like trysts,or doomed to fail, based upon the level of interaction and nature of the characters.
There seemed to be a lot of discussion on how much of Shepard's characteristics should be based on the written story or the players choices. The options are more limited to the character the writers imagined in the first game, but they expanded on it in the second and third games as a response to their fans. The approach they took with the companions seemed to be similar, and they had to ask themselves if this character would be interested in a same sex arrangement or not. Some are, some aren't. Unfortunately, it does leave few choices for femshep.