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[Helen0rz]

Short Cake Slayer wrote...

Helen0rz wrote...
No kidding. Jacob and Thane doesn't count since:

-one died of a very heroic death. Even he didn't die there, he'll die because of his sickness either way, and that was acknowledged since 2.

-one couldn't bother to wait, cheated and then pretend a breakup took place and proceed to let you know he knocked up another girl.

Got to be kidding me...

Right.  Kind of a dick move.   Not exactly the thing one of the moral sounding boards of ME2 would do, you think? 

Psh, morals? Who needs that? STUPID JACOB! NOBODY LEAVES SHEPARD! SHEPARD LEAVE YOU!

Ok, all joking aside, I get they want diversity in the relationship closure thing...but it bothered me that it makes it pointless to romance Jacob, because essentially it becomes a fling and not a relationship...and then Thane's romance gets flagged as non-romance? While fugly Chobot is? REALLY?

[Semi-Sweet Serpent Charmer]

dointime85 wrote...

Thanks.

I have yet to start the continuation of my second playthrough in ME3 (stupid final exams), so I don't yet. But what just came to my mind that my perhaps most emotional romance-moment in any Bioware game was when I romanced Alistair in DA:O with my female Wizard. I made him King and arranged a marriage to Anora for the sake of the kingdom. First, Alistair breaking up with my character was tough already (I hadn't expected it) but even more sad was when he did not let me strike that killing blow against the Archdemon afterwards because of our previous romance. That was really such an incredibly well-written scene, so moving because it created in me such a mixture of feelings. I was moved because his sacrifice proved he loved my character, yet still so angry with him for taking the cheap route out of his responsibilities as a king.

So yeah, I can get heavily invested in a story even if it involves romancing a man. :happy:

Allistair was amazingly well written, and was also instrumental in the plot both as the King's bastard and as the only other Grey Warden besides you.  I think those extra importances made him that much better as a romance option. *sniffle* His and Morrigans were truly great stories. 

[RedTail F22]

Short Cake Slayer wrote...

Shanook wrote...

Interesting point, OP, but we FemShep players get Garrus. I'd say that actually puts us ahead of BroShep players.

GAHAHAHA.  If only the men knew how true that is They do get an awfully smarmy BroMance scene with Garrus, though, on top of the Presidium. He's just probably the best thing ever written ever and no one can deny it. 

That Bromance with Garrus is the BEST romance scene in the game. nuff said.

[michael99887766]

Can't really blame Bioware for being pragmatic. The ratio of male:female gamers is very skewed, and it's understandable that devs will reflect this in the game. The number of gay romance options as a proportion of romanceable characters is substantially more than in RL.

[Helen0rz]

And I didn't romance Thane; I did Kaidan, but I see the injustice!

[Faunwea]

Yeah. Would be nice to have more options. (I'd probably still stick with Garrus though).

[Helen0rz]

RedTail F22 wrote...

Short Cake Slayer wrote...

Shanook wrote...

Interesting point, OP, but we FemShep players get Garrus. I'd say that actually puts us ahead of BroShep players.

GAHAHAHA.  If only the men knew how true that is They do get an awfully smarmy BroMance scene with Garrus, though, on top of the Presidium. He's just probably the best thing ever written ever and no one can deny it. 

That Bromance with Garrus is the BEST romance scene in the game. nuff said.

So true! Garrus is my bro through and through! He's got my back!

[sistersafetypin]

Short Cake Slayer wrote...


That being said, why is everyone who isn't a straight male still getting jipped? 

I only say this now because there's a massive amount of romance options in ME3.  Like, kind of a ridiculous amount.   In past games it's usually been two or three people, and so me (as a straight female) only being able to romance one person out of, say, three, wasn't that much of a sting.    But in ME3 there's no less than SIX available romance options for straight males.  Seriously?  Six?  Because the fugly news reporter is such an interesting character that extra time must be spent making her ravageable instead of possibly expanding other options?  Lesbian players have 3 options;  Straight female players have two (an awesome two, but only two, nonetheless) and Gay men have one. (cortez; I'm not sure if gay Kaiden is canon or not, but it doesn't look like he's romanceable for men in ME3? Could be wrong here.)

Goddangit, THIS!

[But what three chars? Do Lesbians have? I know we have Traynor and Liara...] Oh wait does ALLERS count? Pssh, no we have two.

[Vergil_dgk]

Short Cake Slayer wrote...

I've always lauded BioWare for creating indepth romances and trying hard to make sure no one is "left out" regardless of their sexual preference.  The worlds they create where sexuality is simply a part of who you are and not up for public moral debate are worlds I'd frankly rather live in than RL Earth, sometimes.  I'm also not interested in one group getting more than another; I simply want it to be fair, and to be acknowledged that I'm just as valuable a member of this gaming community as everyone else. 

That being said, why is everyone who isn't a straight male still getting jipped? 

I only say this now because there's a massive amount of romance options in ME3.  Like, kind of a ridiculous amount.   In past games it's usually been two or three people, and so me (as a straight female) only being able to romance one person out of, say, three, wasn't that much of a sting.    But in ME3 there's no less than SIX available romance options for straight males.  Seriously?  Six?  Because the fugly news reporter is such an interesting character that extra time must be spent making her ravageable instead of possibly expanding other options?  Lesbian players have 3 options;  Straight female players have two (an awesome two, but only two, nonetheless) and Gay men have one. (cortez; I'm not sure if gay Kaiden is canon or not, but it doesn't look like he's romanceable for men in ME3? Could be wrong here.)

I'm curious as to how the break down for romance options became 6 options for straight men and half as much for everyone else.    I definitely think Bioware, with it's reputation for trying to play "fair" amongst it's gaming community, could do better here, especially since two of the romance options available to women are absolute complete fluff.  Really? With all these amazing characters I've gone to hell and back with, you think I'm even remotely interested in committing to some specialist I've just met?   And it's even worse if you want to play a lesbian FemShep, because your only really developed romance option is Liara; the other two are barely even notable  as they've just shown up for the final game. 

For those of you wanting to jump up and proclaim straight white male plantation owners (oops, I mean game owners) are a gross majority of gamers and that everyone else is in the fringes, here's where you're wrong:

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This only covers gender. Doesn't cover sexual preferences.  The original PDF this comes from: http://www.theesa.co...ESA_EF_2011.pdf
 
Any thoughts? Did anyone actually play any of the tepid Diana Allers or Traynor romances that were offered and actually found the same level of satisfaction from them as any of the other cross-game romances?

Though a male gamer playing a male Shepard (and very happy romancing Liara), I agree that the female choices seem lacking. Jacob is a bit bland, Garrus and Thane are better - but not everyone is turned on by aliens with mandibles and gills. Kind of weird they didn't make James a fully fledged romance in 3 and perhaps even weirder that there wasn't another human male than Jacob available in 2. Still, it's a lot better than Baldur's gate 2 where my then girlfriend only had ONE choice - and an extremely annoying one at that while guys had 3 really good ones. Perhaps they could release DLC making Anderson or Hacket available for cozy time 

[Goneaviking]

Short Cake Slayer wrote...

Helen0rz wrote...

No kidding. Jacob and Thane doesn't count since:

-one died of a very heroic death. Even he didn't die there, he'll die because of his sickness either way, and that was acknowledged since 2.

-one couldn't bother to wait, cheated and then pretend a breakup took place and proceed to let you know he knocked up another girl.

Got to be kidding me...

Right.  Kind of a dick move.   Not exactly the thing one of the moral sounding boards of ME2 would do, you think? 

Maybe he thought there was a break up. I don't remember Ashley or Kaidan saying "I think we should see other people" on Horizon but I also remember plenty of people saying that they regarded the relationship as being over at that point.

Remember that Shepard handed turns herself in for running around with a terrorist organisation (and mass murder if you've played Arrival) which is guaranteed to get her out of circulation for quite awhile. Apparently Shepard was hard to reach even for LIs that the Alliance would have approved of like Liara (who they allowed access to some of their most sensitive secrets).

So yeah, don't think too badly of Jacob because it was just a matter of time until they all either died or found someone else. It's like the old man always said about life on the road, "Absence makes the heart go yonder."

[Vergil_dgk]

Helen0rz wrote...

RedTail F22 wrote...

Short Cake Slayer wrote...

Shanook wrote...

Interesting point, OP, but we FemShep players get Garrus. I'd say that actually puts us ahead of BroShep players.

GAHAHAHA.  If only the men knew how true that is They do get an awfully smarmy BroMance scene with Garrus, though, on top of the Presidium. He's just probably the best thing ever written ever and no one can deny it. 

That Bromance with Garrus is the BEST romance scene in the game. nuff said.

So true! Garrus is my bro through and through! He's got my back!

'

Funny, I never liked Garrus that much. Maybe he's more suited to american tastes?

[Unfallen_Satan]

Perhaps one or two of the straight-male romances from ME2 should be ended similarly to Jacob's romance. I think ME2 messed up the balance because it had so many new romance options for male Shepard that also need to be importable. I was surprised by the higher number of love interests for lesbian players than straight female players. Maybe there will be new male romanceable characters in future DLC.

[wryterra]

MaYtriX wrote...

As a homosexual female, I can't really complain with the amount of options set up for her.
The thing is, straight, gay, or bisexual, the male shep can romance a total of NINE characters, while femshep only gets the short end of the stick at just 6.
They turned kaidan bi-sexual spontaneously with no back story what so ever.
They really screwed femsheps on this one, but at the same time, males ARE the majority.
Also, that's not even counting all the male exclusive relationships from the second game that continued into the third, like miranda and jack, where thane and jacob both get the boot.

Just to jump in on the Kaiden thing, he was originally supposed to be bisexual in ME1 but that got dropped during development. Some of his lines still come across as really quite flirtatious even so, though and they do a really good job of explaining his reticence to admit his feelings in ME3, so I've heard. I haven't actually gotten around to romancing him with my dudeshep yet because that means playing dudeshep.

[FS3D]

Gedgehog wrote...

I felt that after romancing Miranda - I got shafted. She makes little appearance in the 3rd game, and the love scene isn't even great.

Her rejection scene has more emotion to it... You see she's actually cut up that Shep doesn't want her.

Her death scene is pretty emotional too. Her survival scene with romance is weak sauce.

[dointime85]

Vergil_dgk wrote...

Helen0rz wrote...

RedTail F22 wrote...

Short Cake Slayer wrote...

Shanook wrote...

Interesting point, OP, but we FemShep players get Garrus. I'd say that actually puts us ahead of BroShep players.

GAHAHAHA.  If only the men knew how true that is They do get an awfully smarmy BroMance scene with Garrus, though, on top of the Presidium. He's just probably the best thing ever written ever and no one can deny it. 

That Bromance with Garrus is the BEST romance scene in the game. nuff said.

So true! Garrus is my bro through and through! He's got my back!

'

Funny, I never liked Garrus that much. Maybe he's more suited to american tastes?

I'm German and he's pretty much my favourite character among many awesome ones.

[FS3D]

Vergil_dgk wrote...
Perhaps they could release DLC making Anderson or Hacket available for cozy time 

Maybe... If any given FemShep could actually... Hackett...

*runs*

Modifié par FS3D, 22 mars 2012 - 10:01 .

[Vergil_dgk]

FS3D wrote...

Vergil_dgk wrote...
Perhaps they could release DLC making Anderson or Hacket available for cozy time 

Maybe... If any given FemShep could actually... Hackett...

*runs*

Hehe. Of course, they would then be accused of stereotyping females as golddiggers going after their superiors. But what other male humans are even available in the game?

[Vergil_dgk]

dointime85 wrote...

Vergil_dgk wrote...

Helen0rz wrote...

RedTail F22 wrote...

Short Cake Slayer wrote...

Shanook wrote...

Interesting point, OP, but we FemShep players get Garrus. I'd say that actually puts us ahead of BroShep players.

GAHAHAHA.  If only the men knew how true that is They do get an awfully smarmy BroMance scene with Garrus, though, on top of the Presidium. He's just probably the best thing ever written ever and no one can deny it. 

That Bromance with Garrus is the BEST romance scene in the game. nuff said.

So true! Garrus is my bro through and through! He's got my back!

'

Funny, I never liked Garrus that much. Maybe he's more suited to american tastes?

I'm German and he's pretty much my favourite character among many awesome ones.

Well, you know, the germans are the americans of Europe 

[dointime85]

Vergil_dgk wrote...

FS3D wrote...

Vergil_dgk wrote...
Perhaps they could release DLC making Anderson or Hacket available for cozy time 

Maybe... If any given FemShep could actually... Hackett...

*runs*

Hehe. Of course, they would then be accused of stereotyping females as golddiggers going after their superiors. But what other male humans are even available in the game?

You could fight with EDI over Joker ;-)

[dointime85]

Vergil_dgk wrote...
Well, you know, the germans are the americans of Europe 

no idea what you mean but i still had to laugh.

[Vergil_dgk]

dointime85 wrote...

Vergil_dgk wrote...

FS3D wrote...

Vergil_dgk wrote...
Perhaps they could release DLC making Anderson or Hacket available for cozy time 

Maybe... If any given FemShep could actually... Hackett...

*runs*

Hehe. Of course, they would then be accused of stereotyping females as golddiggers going after their superiors. But what other male humans are even available in the game?

You could fight with EDI over Joker ;-)

Right. Great idea. And it would include a "the handicapped are people too"-subplot. Actually, if I was playing a female Shepard, I'd definitely go for Joker given the option. A sense of humour is definitely no 1 on my list of desireable traits in a partner.

[Helen0rz]

Goneaviking wrote...

Maybe he thought there was a break up. I don't remember Ashley or Kaidan saying "I think we should see other people" on Horizon but I also remember plenty of people saying that they regarded the relationship as being over at that point.

Remember that Shepard handed turns herself in for running around with a terrorist organisation (and mass murder if you've played Arrival) which is guaranteed to get her out of circulation for quite awhile. Apparently Shepard was hard to reach even for LIs that the Alliance would have approved of like Liara (who they allowed access to some of their most sensitive secrets).

So yeah, don't think too badly of Jacob because it was just a matter of time until they all either died or found someone else. It's like the old man always said about life on the road, "Absence makes the heart go yonder."

If I remember correctly; Ashley/Kaidan was just pissed. They had finally begin to move on, trying to see other people and BOOM there's Shepard, back from the dead. I didn't regard that email as a break up, more like 'I see, this relationship is kinda...not happening right now" and I left it at that even though I was mad panda about how Shel was treated.

Jacob though, he KNEW Shepard was gonna turn herself in, and it's not like they're expecting a vacation or something. The fact that he pretty much wasted no time to get friendly and impregnated her, I think that says something...

[Vergil_dgk]

dointime85 wrote...

Vergil_dgk wrote...
Well, you know, the germans are the americans of Europe 

no idea what you mean but i still had to laugh.

Me neither, glad you laughed . I lived in Berlin for 6 months a few years back. Great place.

[Laughing Man]

I just want to say that my femshep romanced Thane, and I didn't feel the least bit screwed by the way things went. The whole way it played out was beautiful, moving, and left me in tears at the end. No regrets.

That said I understand why some might feel otherwise, but really he was dying from the moment you met him, you can't really be surprised. Anyone with Jacob got f***** though, badly. I was surprised and a little disappointed, especially as the whole Jacob story in ME3 felt awkward and forced anyway; "we're having a baby" sounded wrong and farcical when Jacob delivered that line (maybe just the VA's fault), I twitch every time.

I wish Allers had just been left as a journalistic sideline (even better, replace her with Wong). I didn't like her, her VA sounded flat, and her model came out... odd.

I loved Shep's relationship with Garrus, but I think the platonic relationship is just as good as the romance (nothing wrong with the romance, everything with Garrus came off brilliantly).

The lesbian assistant felt too much like it was written by a dude who was trying *really* hard to do right and present her as strong and independent without really knowing what that would look like. A for effort and intent, but C+ in execution. Liara's great (though Ali Hills always sounds uninvolved and removed... worked well for her work as Lightning, but made some scenes fall a bit flat as Liara), but she better be as she's the closest to the cannon relationship that there is.

So um, yeah. That's my 2 credits.