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[Reciever80]

Wow. This is......incredible. I knew that the game page said that stuff, but to get actual quotes from the producers and writers...... It's a real shame they decided to switch things up (or whatever else you would call it). I mean, the game itself was fantastic, except for the whole multiplayer is necessary to get 5000 (on a reasonable basis, I think that if Bioware sets the game ending to say 4,000, or 4,500, it should nullify that issue, and the ending which was more confusing than anything. Thanks for putting all these quotes in a thread for us. Here's what got me the most:

Mike Gamble:

“There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t say any more than that…”

Whether you're happy or angry at the ending, know this: it is an ending.
BioWare will not do a "Lost" and leave fans with more questions than
answers after finishing the game, Gamble promised.

Casey Hudson:

“Fans want to make sure that they see things resolved, they want to get some closure, a great ending. I think they’re going to get that.”

“Mass Effect 3 is all about answering all the biggest questions in the lore, learning about the mysteries and the Protheans and the Reapers, being able to decide for yourself how all of these things come to an end.”At this point we’re taking into account so many decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them.”

Don't take this as an attack, or anything like that. Just pointing out inconsistancies that are extremely frustrating as a player who believed those statements.

Modifié par Reciever80, 23 mars 2012 - 02:51 .

[streamlock]

cutegigi wrote...

BostonVamp wrote...
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In playing DAO, there is an ending where a main character can die; in fact I accidently got this ending on my first playthrough. Did I like that ending? No. Did it make me happy? No. Did I complain to Bioware to remove that ending because I didn't like it? No and here is why:
-snip-

sorry if this post feel redundant, just want to state that I totally agree with your post. 
In case bioware still looking for constructive criticism on how to fix ME3, please please please take a looooong look on this. 
Thank you.

The problem they ran into with the DA franchise is that the endings were so varied, that they backed themselves into a corner for sequals and spin-offs.  They even had to get a little bit creative with the expansion.  And went someplace far away with DA2

Looking back at the freedom that doing KOTOR in the Old Republic timeline and what they could do with it, the Galactic Dark Age option was to promising to pass up.

To stay on topic, if I new I would get only ABC option and a bespoke ending just so they had the wiggle room to do a ME MMO if they wanted to 10,000+ years into the future I would have left the franchise for dead.  

In relation to the ending DLC.....Yeah, no matter what they do-it is going to end in a Galactic Dark Age.  Sorry guys-thats just the way it is.  They were more then happy to railroad the ME trilogy for them.  

Ironically they sacrificed what the series was today in the hopes of fostering a better future for it.  Just like the endings the above sentiment mirros, I fear the taste of it will be more bitter then sweat.

[JohnnyG]

firebreather19 wrote...

Anything said before the game's official release really isn't admissible because there's no proof something wasn't changed. Besides, are we saying that nothing was ever promised for ME2 but not delivered?

Wrong.  According to them, the game went gold on 2/13/12.  Anything they said after that date must be in the game, or else they were lying.  I have updated my original post to show what quotes were pre-gold and what quotes were post-gold (some of them even came out after the release of the game).

[DuneMuadDib]

I would assume that as soon as they start taking money for the game the advertising becomes subject to scrutiny.

[paynesgrey]

DuneMuadDib wrote...

paynesgrey wrote...

Can't say I'd call it "false advertising" or consider it something legally actionable. I mean, Uwe Boll promises epic stories with moving and deeply thought provoking content, and nobody's been able to sue him yet, after all.

Anyone who believes a word Uwe Boll says has only themself to blame.

We trusted Bioware.

Back in the day I rented House of 1000 Corpses before I knew who he was.  I mean, zombies and boobs, how can it go wrong? 

At night, I can still hear the screams of the 3 dollars I wasted.

Kind of like when I look at the credit card I used to buy ME3, come to think of it.

[M12311]

JohnnyG wrote...

firebreather19 wrote...

Anything said before the game's official release really isn't admissible because there's no proof something wasn't changed. Besides, are we saying that nothing was ever promised for ME2 but not delivered?

Wrong.  According to them, the game went gold on 2/13/12.  Anything they said after that date must be in the game, or else they were lying.  I have updated my original post to show what quotes were pre-gold and what quotes were post-gold (some of them even came out after the release of the game).

Some of the most misleading comments are within 6 days before launch...

[RiouHotaru]

The Angry One wrote...

firebreather19 wrote...

Lavits75 wrote...

ME2 could end in so many different ways. The whole non-party crew could die or be saved. Everyone party crew member could die or all could make it out alive. 98% of them could live and one dies. And the person who dies varies completely. You could hand over the base or destroy it.

ME2 had so many different aspects to it's ending and you knew what was going on. ME3 had three choices. Red, blue, or green. There were almost no differences, no explanations.

Not really, there were 2 endings...base destroyed or base salvaged, and 2 subendings for each...shep lives, shep dies...with different loyalty missions and placement of characters determining whether they live or die. Treat ME3 like one big suicide mission and you'll see it's really the same.

Like hell it is. Your choices in ME2 mattered in the end, it determined who lived and who died with both loyalty missions and ship upgrades.
Nothing you do in ME3 matters, no matter what you still get the same ending where the galaxy is destroyed, in 3 coloured variants. Oh and if you get enough EMS you unlock the super secret ending where you do what Saren wanted all along! 
Yeah that's not the story I wanted to shape.

But that wasn't important in ME2.  The only thing that -really- mattered in the conclusion of ME2 was:

Destroy the Base
or
Keep the Base

[longtimecoming00]

All this argument over whether or not Bioware engaged in deceptive advertisement is pointless.  If you feel that they did, then there’s only one thing you can do: contact those with the authority to investigate the matter.  Write a complaint to the Federal Trade Commission.  Write a complaint to the Better Business Bureau.  Write one to your State Attorney General’s office.  And since EA, the parent company of Bioware, is an incorporated entity, write one to the Department of Justice.

Again, if you truly believe these comments amounted to deceptive advertising, then this isn’t a matter of some gamers “holding the line”; it's a matter of a publicly traded company breaking the law.

[JohnnyG]

RiouHotaru wrote...

But that wasn't important in ME2.  The only thing that -really- mattered in the conclusion of ME2 was:

Destroy the Base
or
Keep the Base

I am afraid I have to disagree.  While that was probably the biggest decision, whether or not my squadmates died (or me myself) mattered as well.  Perhaps their lives didn't have any meaning to you, but I think I can speak for most fans and say that they did for us.

[t_i_e_]

I'd totally support a class action lawsuit against Bioware / EA for false advertising. But I'm pretty sure I can't now that I returned my ME3.

[Michotic]

Hello everyone! Good to see we can still discuss our thoughts. Too bad the last thread was locked, although I'm sure there was plenty of reason for it.

Before I go into my post, I'd like to make a suggestion. If you're going to quote something lone, or quote a quote (of a quote of a quote, etc.) can you snip some of it? Looking at massive pyramids is very distracting and unnecessary. It doesn't take long to chip things down.

I also felt taken in by the claims made by BioWare's staff leading up to the release. The reason I preordered the Collector's Edition was because of these claims. I feel very let down over this.

I am happy that BioWare has taken the time to address the customers that have made their disappointment known. I'm very leery over what they say, but I'm happy they're acknowledging us. That means we're a large enough segment to worry them.

Even in their damage control, I still don't see them committing to anything. Given how their quotes from prerelease are coming to bite them, I can't blame them. I would like clarification as to what exactly BioWare is going to do instead of just a 'we know it's an issue, we're working on it' line.

I am keeping a close eye on what BioWare does here, because my being a customer hangs in the balance. Their actions will determine if I give them anymore of my money. I truly hope they are listening to us, and they care enough to take care of us loyal customers that care too much to let a good series go out the way it did.

Keep it up and keep it civil! Our choices should matter. Hold the line.

[Atraiyu Wrynn]

Lawsuit doesn't accomplish anything we want. We are at the ugly stage when you eat out and the restaurant screws up your order and your are arguing with them to fix the problem. Unfortunately they only become more inclined to help you as you get loud enough for other restaurant goers to notice. The question is will Bioware just offer us complimentary appetizers, or will they really fix the problem.

I agree that Bioware hyped this game to a level it couldn't possibly live up to. The specific statements about the ending are painful to read now that I have played it. But I think even with out these specific statements there is a degree of false advertising. The previous 2 games, and 99% of this one have a completely different tone than the ending. We had no reason to expect it to change on a dime like that, It's one of the reason I feel ripped off by all this.

[EllOneillE]

Had I known going in that the ending was going to be as non-interactive as it was I would not have purchased the game.
Without seeing the consequences of my choices reflected on the ending I could have obtained the same conclusion from YouTube.

If Bioware ends up simply adding more content to the endings (As if we didn't undertand what was going on) I will feel very dissapointed and won't change my mind as to how the ending didn't live to the standards of storyline interactivity that made Bioware the company many of us loved.
Alternatives and diverse epilogues. That's what the ending needs to satisfy me. Not more scenes.

There is not "a lot of speculation" because a lot of loyal customers didn't feel the ending fits the story, not because we didn't understand what was going on once the Deus Ex that is The StarChild shows up.

[DuneMuadDib]

JohnnyG wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

But that wasn't important in ME2.  The only thing that -really- mattered in the conclusion of ME2 was:

Destroy the Base
or
Keep the Base

I am afraid I have to disagree.  While that was probably the biggest decision, whether or not my squadmates died (or me myself) mattered as well.  Perhaps their lives didn't have any meaning to you, but I think I can speak for most fans and say that they did for us.

Likewise.  Who lives and who dies feels to me like a big decision after all the time spend recruiting them and earning their loyalty.  My choices affect who made it out of the suicide mission and who made it to the sequel.  If I don't get anyone's loyalty and make bad assignments it all goes to hell.  That feels more varied to me having x of 12 alive and what happened to the Collector Base as opposed to what color space magic I want.

[Joyceee]

Thanks JohnnyG for voicing a sentiment that strikes a chord with many fans. BioWare did such a fantastic job with the game - no denying it - but when you hold up their claims to what we eventually received as an ending, it is a painful letdown. 

Reciever80 wrote...

Don't take this as an attack, or anything like that. Just pointing out inconsistancies that are extremely frustrating as a player who believed those statements.

Have to agree with you here, Reciever80. Nicely said. Pretty sure we're not alone in thinking this.

Modifié par Joyceee, 23 mars 2012 - 04:12 .

[Silveralen]

paynesgrey wrote...

DuneMuadDib wrote...

paynesgrey wrote...

Can't say I'd call it "false advertising" or consider it something legally actionable. I mean, Uwe Boll promises epic stories with moving and deeply thought provoking content, and nobody's been able to sue him yet, after all.

Anyone who believes a word Uwe Boll says has only themself to blame.

We trusted Bioware.

Back in the day I rented House of 1000 Corpses before I knew who he was.  I mean, zombies and boobs, how can it go wrong? 

At night, I can still hear the screams of the 3 dollars I wasted.

Kind of like when I look at the credit card I used to buy ME3, come to think of it.

Honest to god, i think I'd prefer that to this ending.

[Daashi]

I simply wish to add my voice to this problem.

I pre-ordered ME3 simply because I was promised closure for Shepard and that all questions will be answered and that the choices made not only in ME3 but the previous two games will count towards the ending.

I feel as though I have been lied to and mislead as to the nature of the story of ME3 and also I feel as though they have broken the promise of an science-fiction RPG saga that would span 3 games. If the original Mass Effect had the format of ME3 I would never have bought the game. I am lousy at shooters, I do not enjoy shooters and as a result I do not buy shooters. And to me ME3 was more of a shooter than a RPG or even an action-adventure game.

As a X-Box owner I had to purchase Gold membership to play multiplayer just so I could get the "best" result in SP campaign, I dislike MP, listening to the crap that people say to each other in MP is not enjoyable, and if I were to speak up and reveal myself as a female gamer the abuse I would recieve would make it even less enjoyable. So the broken promise of MP will not affect SP campaign has left me disalusioned, not only to that aspect of the game but the entire game, the game's series and those who made the game.

[Blarghonk]

JohnnyG wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

But that wasn't important in ME2.  The only thing that -really- mattered in the conclusion of ME2 was:

Destroy the Base
or
Keep the Base

I am afraid I have to disagree.  While that was probably the biggest decision, whether or not my squadmates died (or me myself) mattered as well.  Perhaps their lives didn't have any meaning to you, but I think I can speak for most fans and say that they did for us.

That's what I loved about ME2. The cutsenes about all the upgrades, then alittle fighting, back to cutscenes all gathering the decisions caried out through the game for a final shodown. Then finaly the getting the ending with everyone alive just right.

[TF_FTW]

If they turn ME into a MMO, i won't be playing it.
I played WOW vanilla and TBC at hardcore leveles, because i wanted to see all the content Blizzard created . Then i started ME1 and realise that there are games there that bring good content to the Single Player experience. And i love Single Player because i don't depend on Guild Roster if i want to experience all the game content.

Anyway i am sad that ME3 was so short, took me 29 h to finish it first time, and then a whoopy 22 h on insanity with my adept. Count in the let down for the last 10 minutes .... I won't even go in the LORE regarding the Mass Effect universe ... Bad writing at it is best

Still, i have " HOPE , more then you know" , that they will do a good job in the end .

[Falcon509]

Here goes...

Is this something that is going to be addressed at some point? I would like to hear these quotes clarified from someone who knows what is going on in Bioware. I myself have read those quotes and articles leading up to the release, and it would alleviate some of my concerns to know that either these previously stated quotes are being examined (preferably by those that said them in the first place) or that, while these things were said, they no longer apply for one reason or another.

Edit: I should add that the promises made about the finale of the series were some of the major some reasons I spent extra money on the CE of the game. I was expecting closure and got a LOST ending. Better than a Sopranos ending, but not by much.

How is my purchase justified now? I paid for something that I didn't receive.

Modifié par Falcon509, 23 mars 2012 - 06:26 .

[VAIOMANIAC]

Thomas Abram wrote...

Mesmurae wrote...

You know, it won't be long before this thread gets locked. Bioware has gone on a locking spree, closing down threads that point out their mistakes.

So... yeah.

You clearly read all of the posts in this thread including the second one informing people to keep on topic, civil and to further the thread so it doesn't get locked. Woops!

But Thomas if we could get back on topic what is your explantion for these accusations seem pretty real to me since some of them are on youtube on your offical youtube page.

[ManOfSteeL1618]

Daashi wrote...

I simply wish to add my voice to this problem.

I pre-ordered ME3 simply because I was promised closure for Shepard and that all questions will be answered and that the choices made not only in ME3 but the previous two games will count towards the ending.

I feel as though I have been lied to and mislead as to the nature of the story of ME3 and also I feel as though they have broken the promise of an science-fiction RPG saga that would span 3 games. If the original Mass Effect had the format of ME3 I would never have bought the game. I am lousy at shooters, I do not enjoy shooters and as a result I do not buy shooters. And to me ME3 was more of a shooter than a RPG or even an action-adventure game..

This is another issue I had with the game. I usually don't like shooters either but Mass Effect was my exception because of the world and the story. I feel that ME3 was a shooter with some RPG elements tacked on. This, to me was the worst game of the trilogy. Where were the hub worlds to explore? I felt during the entire ME3 experience all I did was combat, it reminded me a lot of Gears of War that you can pause.

[killerway]

I believe the statements made by Bioware's employees and hence its agents misrepresented Mass effect 3. The promises were very direct in what was going to be in the game(unlike anything peter molyneux says which are mere puffs like watching seeds grow into trees or something). Promises in ME3 like, all endings are possible without playing multiplayer, which is pretty straightforward in whats being said. And these promises made were never before and after release rescinded in any way to my knowledge. And these promises made were all published on well known and reputed gaming websites and articles, where the same "journalists" praised the game, saying nothing about the promises broken and that they actually are binding on the consumer. Whether I'm right or wrong, the broken promises have nonetheless tarnished Biowares reputation.

[Joyceee]

Falcon509 wrote...

Edit: I should add that the promises made about the finale of the series were some of the major reasons I spent extra money on the CE of the game. I was expecting closure and got a LOST ending. Better than a Sopranos ending, but not by much.

How is my purchase justified now? I paid for something that I didn't receive.

Great point, and you're not the only one. This, too, was part of the reason some of us spent that extra money on the Collector's Edition. We genuinely believed the claims made about the finale of this great series.

I, for one, would also appreciate an answer to the question (bold) you posed.

Modifié par Joyceee, 23 mars 2012 - 07:52 .

[fafnir magnus]

No discussion necessary here, it is a list of concerns that should be addressed by Bioware. It should simply stay bumped to the top of the forums at all times, people please keep the info in OP saved in case someone decides to siderail the thread so that It can be remade.