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[Drak41n]

It's puffery and it happens all the time. It's what promoters do. They said they going to do something so... go do something relaxing! All this forum raging can't be healthy.

[Yusta1]

Vorodill wrote...

So Bioware lied. It is sad.If only they said before release :

"Plans changed. We're gonna try something different for the ending..."

When a friend tell me many lies, I don't trust him anymore. If he says he is truly sorry and that he will make up for it, I will consider forgiving him.

Bioware didn't even say they were sorry. Nothing. They are a business, so I'll give them some time. They are preparing an announcement in April.

If I don't hear "we're sorry", I will feel insulted. And I will ignore them. That's what I would do with a friend, that's what I'll do with Bioware.

^this^

[Sinilin_]

Yusta1 wrote...

Vorodill wrote...

So Bioware lied. It is sad.If only they said before release :

"Plans changed. We're gonna try something different for the ending..."

When a friend tell me many lies, I don't trust him anymore. If he says he is truly sorry and that he will make up for it, I will consider forgiving him.

Bioware didn't even say they were sorry. Nothing. They are a business, so I'll give them some time. They are preparing an announcement in April.

If I don't hear "we're sorry", I will feel insulted. And I will ignore them. That's what I would do with a friend, that's what I'll do with Bioware.

^this^

Seconded. 

[SlackRabbit]

The biggest concern if the lack of straight talk.
If this is the ending, then the brand has been badly damaged.
If this is not the ending, then the brand has been badly damaged.

[MrWats0n]

OP contains much justice, and I support it fully.

[Esuzu1]

Good list. Have seen some other in the forum but it is important that Bioware sees them. Promises are promises.

[Shallyah]

I do not think that Bioware realy advertised their product in a disloyal way to their followers. The way some statements were made were "tainted" with a lot of passion and belieft, so either Casey Hudson deserves a role in Hollywood or he wasn't lying.

What I believe is that time constrains and schedules, and perhaps policy changes during the creation of Mass Effect 3 forced the game take a diferent course from what was originally planned.

That doesn't excuse Bioware, but while I believe they'd do good to "fix" the endings, I don't think they've deliberately lied and betrayed their fans just to sell more games.

[Bojan1es]

Thank you for reposting.

I'm ok with the idea that Shep dies, I'm also ok with alot of the other stuff in the ending. What I was really upset about was the fact I didnt get the game ending to finish off the series which was advertised. Just a pick A,B or C.. (pick a colour!)

[MOELANDER]

My brothers and I are still abffled about all these statements, that the Leading Circle of BioWare made about ME3. We all agree, that they should have postponed ME3 to Fall or Winter season, just to get more Fan-Feedback.

The best solution from the beginning would have been if BioWare get feedback from fans, what kind of endings they'd like to see. Bittersweet, happy, sad, terrible etc.
It was really risky to advertise all this and not involve the Fanbase more than they did. The result speaks for itself!

[Paparob]

Again I don't feel its false advertising (frankly I'm not sure how exactly I feel about it) but I'm once again bumping this thread to protest the fact these statements were made and the final product doesn't reflect what I was led to believe.

[ardias89]

Thank you for posting this again. It is good to see someone could come up with some form of evidence to show that we are feeling let down by Bioware for a reason. I would like to thank Bioware for considering and ultimately deciding to do something about the games ending.

Modifié par ardias89, 23 mars 2012 - 10:46 .

[Chaota Vos]

Great thread, and agree 100%

[Ions]

Dave Hoffman wrote...
It all reminds me of Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 2. Those not familiar, Google it. To make their Christmas shopping deadline, Obsidian shoved that thing out the door with an ending thrown together with sticky notes and masking tape. Some smart people dug into the game files and found loads of spoken dialog and cut-scenes for an ending that was never developed.

You're saying Obsidian decided this?  Was it Obsidian that chose to shove that out the door? NO.
Address the one responsible; Lucasarts chose that it had to have just a 14month development time. No one at Obsidian would wanna have it forced it on themselves(and having to abandon the content they had to). It was also Lucasarts decision whether the game would of gotten fixed after release. Obsidian at the time were hardly in any place to do anything to affect the project.

[Strike2k2]

Honestly, the only way I can see them fixing this is to redo the whole earth campaign. It may take a lot of work on Bioware's part but it's what we were promised and expecting. What we got is nothing like what's being described in these quotes. The sad thing is, I had a lot of faith that Bioware would deliver. I really hope they fix this right.

[Bojan1es]

With the way that the advertising leads the consumer to expect a different ending to what was given, Are there any other games that have used this trick/PR stunt before? I know of a few that have said the game is great etc. and when played it was average at best, but have any gone into as much detail about what we would be getting, and not giving it at the end?

[SlackRabbit]

http://news.cnet.com...=home_multiline

[Gyroscopic_Trout]

Yusta1 wrote...

Vorodill wrote...

So Bioware lied. It is sad.If only they said before release :

"Plans changed. We're gonna try something different for the ending..."

When a friend tell me many lies, I don't trust him anymore. If he says he is truly sorry and that he will make up for it, I will consider forgiving him.

Bioware didn't even say they were sorry. Nothing. They are a business, so I'll give them some time. They are preparing an announcement in April.

If I don't hear "we're sorry", I will feel insulted. And I will ignore them. That's what I would do with a friend, that's what I'll do with Bioware.

^this^

I dunno.  I think I'd be happy with "APRIL FOOLS!"  

[DuncanId]

Vorodill wrote...

So Bioware lied. It is sad.If only they said before release :

"Plans changed. We're gonna try something different for the ending..."

When a friend tell me many lies, I don't trust him anymore. If he says he is truly sorry and that he will make up for it, I will consider forgiving him.

Bioware didn't even say they were sorry. Nothing. They are a business, so I'll give them some time. They are preparing an announcement in April.

If I don't hear "we're sorry", I will feel insulted. And I will ignore them. That's what I would do with a friend, that's what I'll do with Bioware.

Worse, not only didn't they said "we're sorry", they basically called us whining babies. In a very PR way, yes, but a polite insult is still an insult...

[DJBare]

Drak41n wrote...

It's puffery and it happens all the time. It's what promoters do. They said they going to do something so... go do something relaxing! All this forum raging can't be healthy.

Most folk I know accept hype as part of the selling point, but there is a major difference between hype and making promises that have not been delivered, as far as advertizing standards go they have over stepped the mark with misleading promises.

Disclaimer: just to be clear, I do not agree with those taking this to the FTC, the backlash from the fans was more than enough to get Bioware to sit up and take notice. 

Modifié par DJBare, 23 mars 2012 - 12:59 .

[BostonVamp]

One quick analogy:

A company advertises that they sell ducks. I ordered a duck. I was sent a platypus. I called the company and said you advertised ducks and so I ordered a duck. The company told me but the platypus has a duck's bill and duck feet. My response: that may be true, but you advertised and I ordered a duck.

Bottomline: A platypus is not a duck; the ME 3 game advertised was not the game I received.

EDIT: Using a duck and a goose may be an even closer analogy, but how ofter do you get to say the word "platypus."

Still I hope I have made my point. Thanks!  Hold the Line!

Modifié par BostonVamp, 23 mars 2012 - 01:23 .

[Matt561]

This topic has truly been my main issue with all this. While I would have bought the game regardless, seeing the interviews got me really excited to see what my different saves would amount too. While most games are know to hype things up with marketing, it was top bioware people saying these things. Bioware is one of the few (4 if I'm honest) game developers who's fan still have this honest devotion too. That's what hurts the most out of all this.

[ElementL09]

The Rachni were really only war assets to help build the crucible, in the final battle of the Reapers I would have expected them to have been fighting with and assisting troopers on the ground. Also I really didn't like how the Rachni Queen I freed got captured, and the fact that if you didn't save the Queen in ME1, the reapers had created an artificial queen or something like that.

[Blarghonk]

DuncanId wrote...

Vorodill wrote...

So Bioware lied. It is sad.If only they said before release :

"Plans changed. We're gonna try something different for the ending..."

When a friend tell me many lies, I don't trust him anymore. If he says he is truly sorry and that he will make up for it, I will consider forgiving him.

Bioware didn't even say they were sorry. Nothing. They are a business, so I'll give them some time. They are preparing an announcement in April.

If I don't hear "we're sorry", I will feel insulted. And I will ignore them. That's what I would do with a friend, that's what I'll do with Bioware.

Worse, not only didn't they said "we're sorry", they basically called us whining babies. In a very PR way, yes, but a polite insult is still an insult...

Personally I don't even need a "we're sorry" they can keep their pride if that's what it is about. Just want an ending that mass effect 3 should of had to begin with. Something similiar to the last game but showing how each and every war asset effects the war.

 Show me why I should care that Wrex is leading the Krogan and not his brother. Show me why I should let the Rachni queen live. PLEASE show me what Jack and her biotic students contribute. I really don't want to have to just use my imagination, that's just not what I paid for, or was led to expect from BioWare and Mass Effect.

That said still love the franchise, specially the first two, but it's gotten painful to replay strictly because of the ending. Cource I wish it had more RPG elements, specificaly the looting. But I'll take what I can get, just can't budge on that ending.

[JohnnyG]

Shallyah wrote...

I do not think that Bioware realy advertised their product in a disloyal way to their followers. The way some statements were made were "tainted" with a lot of passion and belieft, so either Casey Hudson deserves a role in Hollywood or he wasn't lying.

What I believe is that time constrains and schedules, and perhaps policy changes during the creation of Mass Effect 3 forced the game take a diferent course from what was originally planned.

That doesn't excuse Bioware, but while I believe they'd do good to "fix" the endings, I don't think they've deliberately lied and betrayed their fans just to sell more games.

Your statements might be correct if everything they said was before the game went gold.  However, many of them were made just before it went gold, and many were made after.  As you should be aware, once a game is gold, the content is locked because that is the point they start burning the disks and begin packaging everything for shipment.

Modifié par JohnnyG, 23 mars 2012 - 02:57 .

[Blarghonk]

JohnnyG wrote...

Shallyah wrote...

I do not think that Bioware realy advertised their product in a disloyal way to their followers. The way some statements were made were "tainted" with a lot of passion and belieft, so either Casey Hudson deserves a role in Hollywood or he wasn't lying.

What I believe is that time constrains and schedules, and perhaps policy changes during the creation of Mass Effect 3 forced the game take a diferent course from what was originally planned.

That doesn't excuse Bioware, but while I believe they'd do good to "fix" the endings, I don't think they've deliberately lied and betrayed their fans just to sell more games.

Your statements might be correct if everything they said was before the game went gold.  However, many of them were made just before it went gold, and many were made after.  As you should be aware, once a game is gold, the content is locked because that is the point they start burning the disks and begin packaging everything for shipment.

Which makes me think they planned this, if only to get feed back on the ending and finishing it up. I just have a hard time believing they weren't planning on using the indoc theory.