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Blarghonk wrote...

JohnnyG wrote...

Shallyah wrote...

I do not think that Bioware realy advertised their product in a disloyal way to their followers. The way some statements were made were "tainted" with a lot of passion and belieft, so either Casey Hudson deserves a role in Hollywood or he wasn't lying.

What I believe is that time constrains and schedules, and perhaps policy changes during the creation of Mass Effect 3 forced the game take a diferent course from what was originally planned.

That doesn't excuse Bioware, but while I believe they'd do good to "fix" the endings, I don't think they've deliberately lied and betrayed their fans just to sell more games.

Your statements might be correct if everything they said was before the game went gold.  However, many of them were made just before it went gold, and many were made after.  As you should be aware, once a game is gold, the content is locked because that is the point they start burning the disks and begin packaging everything for shipment.

Which makes me think they planned this, if only to get feed back on the ending and finishing it up. I just have a hard time believing they weren't planning on using the indoc theory.


The way Hudson talks leads me to believe that he's satisfied with the endings, which is one of the scariest and most baffling things about all this.

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Last Shepherd wrote...

Blarghonk wrote...

JohnnyG wrote...

Shallyah wrote...

I do not think that Bioware realy advertised their product in a disloyal way to their followers. The way some statements were made were "tainted" with a lot of passion and belieft, so either Casey Hudson deserves a role in Hollywood or he wasn't lying.

What I believe is that time constrains and schedules, and perhaps policy changes during the creation of Mass Effect 3 forced the game take a diferent course from what was originally planned.

That doesn't excuse Bioware, but while I believe they'd do good to "fix" the endings, I don't think they've deliberately lied and betrayed their fans just to sell more games.

Your statements might be correct if everything they said was before the game went gold.  However, many of them were made just before it went gold, and many were made after.  As you should be aware, once a game is gold, the content is locked because that is the point they start burning the disks and begin packaging everything for shipment.

Which makes me think they planned this, if only to get feed back on the ending and finishing it up. I just have a hard time believing they weren't planning on using the indoc theory.


The way Hudson talks leads me to believe that he's satisfied with the endings, which is one of the scariest and most baffling things about all this.

Very true.  I can only hope they will be willing to see reason and address the concerns in this (and many other) threads.

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I say grab a lawyer, class action, and away we go...

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Stonesoundjam wrote...

I say grab a lawyer, class action, and away we go...


Go ahead and spend your money on a futile lawsuit you are garunteed to lose.

I'll just wait for our clarification in April.  Whatever that may come to be.

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lawsuit is not going to help things. Like I said elsewhere, just do what you are doing. The OP did an amazing job with the gathering and posting all this. It is things like this that will hold them account. It is action like this that wil keep devs honest. And in this case, bring the reprecusion.

Bioware and EA can fix this. They can still do right by us, the customers. If they dont, we continue voicing the displeasure, and show no interest in their future titles. That is what will hurt them most. Not a lawsuit from us. But hurting their reputation to the point that it will severly hinder them from doing buisness. Tarnish the Bioware legacy, and we dont have to do anything. All we have to do is just like the OP, show what Bioware says, and what they deliver. Compare to what came before to what they put out now. Keep them honest, that is the best we can do. If Bioware and EA want to save face, want to keep what reputation and integrity they have intact, and earn a little forgiveness from us all, they can, they know what to do.

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After looking at the comments in the context of the pre-post gold timeline (thanks OP) this does appear to be very damning for Bioware indeed. It seems, at the very least, there was a deliberate attempt to misrepresent how ME3 would end, and I must say I can't think of many non-nefarious reasons to engage in such behavior. You know in a lot of ways my initial anger and frustration over this has turned to sadness. The more I learn about this the more unlikely it seems to me that Bioware can ever really hope to recover from what has happened, irrespective of their true motivations and circumstances. Perception counts for so much in this world and I fear that no amount of explanation or justification can undo the damage already inflicted.

I do agree with CrasVox that there is still time for redemption. It's not too late to set things right, but honestly, what are the chances of anything being done along those lines? I'd be ecstatic if things changed and everything turned out for the better. Hell, I'd gladly pay for a true, comprehensive DLC fix to this nightmare. They already have my money for ME3, that's a sunk cost I can't get back anyway so refusing to support a real ending, even if it did cost money, would be counterproductive. I would do that however only if the turnabout was sincere and intended to set right the current state of affairs. And at the moment, there's no reason to believe Bioware/EA have any intention of doing this. So here we are.

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CmdrStJean wrote...

After looking at the comments in the context of the pre-post gold timeline (thanks OP) this does appear to be very damning for Bioware indeed. It seems, at the very least, there was a deliberate attempt to misrepresent how ME3 would end, and I must say I can't think of many non-nefarious reasons to engage in such behavior. You know in a lot of ways my initial anger and frustration over this has turned to sadness. The more I learn about this the more unlikely it seems to me that Bioware can ever really hope to recover from what has happened, irrespective of their true motivations and circumstances. Perception counts for so much in this world and I fear that no amount of explanation or justification can undo the damage already inflicted.

I do agree with CrasVox that there is still time for redemption. It's not too late to set things right, but honestly, what are the chances of anything being done along those lines? I'd be ecstatic if things changed and everything turned out for the better. Hell, I'd gladly pay for a true, comprehensive DLC fix to this nightmare. They already have my money for ME3, that's a sunk cost I can't get back anyway so refusing to support a real ending, even if it did cost money, would be counterproductive. I would do that however only if the turnabout was sincere and intended to set right the current state of affairs. And at the moment, there's no reason to believe Bioware/EA have any intention of doing this. So here we are.


Yup.  Coming clean, *and* fixing the problem would go such a long way towards restoring credibility!!

That wouldn't mean I would instantly regain trust, but it would be a powerful new beginning.

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Bump.

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Beldamon wrote...

CmdrStJean wrote...

After looking at the comments in the context of the pre-post gold timeline (thanks OP) this does appear to be very damning for Bioware indeed. It seems, at the very least, there was a deliberate attempt to misrepresent how ME3 would end, and I must say I can't think of many non-nefarious reasons to engage in such behavior. You know in a lot of ways my initial anger and frustration over this has turned to sadness. The more I learn about this the more unlikely it seems to me that Bioware can ever really hope to recover from what has happened, irrespective of their true motivations and circumstances. Perception counts for so much in this world and I fear that no amount of explanation or justification can undo the damage already inflicted.

I do agree with CrasVox that there is still time for redemption. It's not too late to set things right, but honestly, what are the chances of anything being done along those lines? I'd be ecstatic if things changed and everything turned out for the better. Hell, I'd gladly pay for a true, comprehensive DLC fix to this nightmare. They already have my money for ME3, that's a sunk cost I can't get back anyway so refusing to support a real ending, even if it did cost money, would be counterproductive. I would do that however only if the turnabout was sincere and intended to set right the current state of affairs. And at the moment, there's no reason to believe Bioware/EA have any intention of doing this. So here we are.


Yup.  Coming clean, *and* fixing the problem would go such a long way towards restoring credibility!!

That wouldn't mean I would instantly regain trust, but it would be a powerful new beginning.

I agree with both of you.  I don't want my money back, I just want to love the series again the way I did before this whole debacle.

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JohnnyG wrote...

Beldamon wrote...

CmdrStJean wrote...

After looking at the comments in the context of the pre-post gold timeline (thanks OP) this does appear to be very damning for Bioware indeed. It seems, at the very least, there was a deliberate attempt to misrepresent how ME3 would end, and I must say I can't think of many non-nefarious reasons to engage in such behavior. You know in a lot of ways my initial anger and frustration over this has turned to sadness. The more I learn about this the more unlikely it seems to me that Bioware can ever really hope to recover from what has happened, irrespective of their true motivations and circumstances. Perception counts for so much in this world and I fear that no amount of explanation or justification can undo the damage already inflicted.

I do agree with CrasVox that there is still time for redemption. It's not too late to set things right, but honestly, what are the chances of anything being done along those lines? I'd be ecstatic if things changed and everything turned out for the better. Hell, I'd gladly pay for a true, comprehensive DLC fix to this nightmare. They already have my money for ME3, that's a sunk cost I can't get back anyway so refusing to support a real ending, even if it did cost money, would be counterproductive. I would do that however only if the turnabout was sincere and intended to set right the current state of affairs. And at the moment, there's no reason to believe Bioware/EA have any intention of doing this. So here we are.


Yup.  Coming clean, *and* fixing the problem would go such a long way towards restoring credibility!!

That wouldn't mean I would instantly regain trust, but it would be a powerful new beginning.

I agree with both of you.  I don't want my money back, I just want to love the series again the way I did before this whole debacle.


+++++++1

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I have heard that pleanty of people would pay for the "true ending(s)" of ME3, and I am sad to say that I am among them. But it is as one person put it; "I would throw money at the ending to make it go away", which is the opinion I have.

The ending (I am not going to pretend that there was multiple endings) was such a shoody, poorly written, obivious rip-off that the taste left in my mouth needs to be washed away, and I will pay for it. However it will probably be the last thing that BioWare puts out that I will buy. I have already abandonded The Sims franchise because of the money grabbing tactics of EA.


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EDIT: Using a duck and a goose may be an even closer analogy, but how ofter do you get to say the word "platypus." Image IPB


You could use the word platypus more by telling people it is venomous.

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Official Mass Effect Website
http://masseffect.com/about/story/

“Experience the beginning, middle, and end of an emotional story unlike any other, where the decisions you make completely shape your experience and outcome.”[/quote]

TRUE OR FALSE?

HALF-TRUE - The decisions you made did shape the experience and outcome, but they didn't do so completely, as was claimed.

[quote]Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer)
http://popwatch.ew.c...-3-mac-walters/

“[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.”[/quote]

TRUE OR FALSE?

FALSE - The presence of the rachni did have consequences in Mass Effect 3, but huge was obviously a gross exaggeration, and they had no presence in the final battle with the Reapers other than an implied one.

[quote]Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer)
http://business.fina...-all-audiences/

“I’m always leery of saying there are 'optimal' endings, because I think one of the things we do try to do is make different endings that are optimal for different people”[/quote]

TRUE OR FALSE?

MOSTLY FALSE - While not entirely a lie, the endings weren't different enough to be optimal for different people. But was this a Mass Effect 3 promise, or just Walters talking generally about how he approaches games?

[quote]Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.computera...missing-in-me2/

“And, to be honest, you [the fans] are crafting your Mass Effect story as much as we are anyway.”[/quote]

TRUE or FALSE?

TRUE = The Mass Effect story has largly been crafted by fans. Fan reaction to certain elements introduced in ME1 influenced what they worked on in ME2, and the same for ME3. Not an untrue statement, since he was talking about the Mass Effect overall story, not just the conclusion to ME3.

[quote]Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.360magazi...ferent-endings/

“There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t say any more than that…”[/quote]

TRUE OR FALSE?

TRUE = Whether you want to accept it or not, Mass Effect 3 did have multiple endings. Even if it had 100 different endings, eventually some people would start to get the same endings as others. Though the differences in endings are slight, that wasn't the promise that was made in this sentence. 

[quote]Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.eurogamer...me-people-angry

“Every decision you've made will impact how things go. The player's also the architect of what happens."[/quote]

TRUE OR FALSE?

MOSTLY TRUE = Whether you want to accept it or not, in ME3 every decision makes an impact. Do the Geth live or die? Do you cure the Krogan or not? Do you shoot Kaiden in the stomach or let him live? Do you kill Wrex and Mordin or not? Not only that, but decisions made in previous games carry on to ME3. Does Kirahe help you on the Citadel or not? Do you save Maelon's data or destroy it and does Eve die or not?

But only mostly true, because while the player is the architect of what happens, they lose some control at the very end.

I also find it funny that this article was called "Bioware Mass Effect 3 ending will make some people angry"

[quote]Whether you're happy or angry at the ending, know this: it is an ending.
BioWare will not do a "Lost" and leave fans with more questions than
answers after finishing the game, Gamble promised.[/quote]

TRUE OR FALSE?

FALSE = This goes without question.

[quote]“You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide some answers to these people.”[/quote]

TRUE OR FALSE?

MOSTLY TRUE = Whether you want to accept it or not, ME3 did answer nearly every question out there. The problem was the answers were either unacceptable, or unbelievable, and that they created more questions than were answered. Still, this is a mostly accurate statement.

[quote]“Because a lot of these plot threads are concluding and because it's being brought to a finale, since you were a part of architecting how they got to how they were, you will definitely sense how they close was because of the decisions you made and because of the decisions you didn't make”[/quote]

TRUE OR FALSE

NOT ENOUGH CONTEXT = Really, a partial quote with little to no context is being used as BioWare false advertising? For shame. Fix this quote or remove it entirely.

[quote]Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.gameinfor...s-effect-3.aspx

“For people who are invested in these characters and the back-story of the universe and everything, all of these things come to a resolution in Mass Effect 3. And they are resolved in a way that's very different based on what you would do in those situations.”[/quote]

TRUE OR FALSE?

MOSTLY TRUE = Again, whether you want to accept it or not, many of the character's personal stories are resolved before the ending. What happens to the Quarians. What happens to the Geth. What happens to the Krogan. What happens to ME2 characters. Most of them were resolved... BEFORE the ending, and they're resolved differently depending on your decisions. What makes this statement partially untrue is that it's rendered mostly moot in the final minutes.

[quote]Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://venturebeat.c...fans-interview/

“Fans want to make sure that they see things resolved, they want to get some closure, a great ending. I think they’re going to get that.”[/quote]

TRUE OR FALSE?

FALSE = Though not for a lack of trying. It seems they tried, and failed hard. But not a malicious lie, so I don't know why this belongs here.

[quote]“Mass Effect 3 is all about answering all the biggest questions in the lore, learning about the mysteries and the Protheans and the Reapers, being able to decide for yourself how all of these things come to an end.”[/quote]

TRUE OR FALSE?

MOSTLY TRUE = Whether you accept it or not, the game answered big questions in the lore, and the players did decide how things come to an end. The problems is the answers were unsatisfactory, there were more questions created, and the ending kinda sucked. 

[quote]Interviewer: “So are you guys the creators or the stewards of the franchise?”

Hudson: “Um… You know, at this point, I think we’re co-creators with the fans. We use a lot of feedback.”[/quote]

TRUE OR FALSE:

UNDENIABLY TRUE = The Mass Effect series has been largly shaped by fan-feedback. Characters the creators didn't think were breakout characters were given bigger roles because of fan-feedback, just as a small example. Why this quote is in the list boggles the mind.

[quote]Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.gameinfor...PostPageIndex=2

Interviewer: [Regarding the numerous possible endings of Mass Effect 2] “Is that same type of complexity built into the ending of Mass Effect 3?”

Hudson: “Yeah, and I’d say much more so, because we have the ability to build the endings out in a way that we don’t have to worry about eventually tying them back together somewhere. This story arc is coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different. At this point we’re taking into account so many decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them.”[/quote]

TRUE OR FALSE?

NEARLY COMPLETELY FALSE = Sorry Mr. Hudson, but despite the fact that there were 16 different endings, maybe two or three with big differences and the rest very subtle flavours of each other, we pretty much got an A, B, or C, ending.

[quote]“We have a rule in our franchise that there is no canon. You as a player decide what your story is.”[/quote]

TRUE OR FALSE?

MOSTLY TRUE = I can promise you that the way I've played the ME series and the choices I've made throughout the entire series, my story is different from yours. There's just a better chance that the way it ended was the same as yours.

[quote]Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.nowgamer....in_bioware.html

Mass Effect 3 will shake up the player's moral choices more than ever before, even going so far as allowing the Reapers to win the battle for Earth, according to BioWare's community representative Mike Gamble.[/quote]

TRUE OR FALSE?

MOSTLY TRUE = Aside from the endings, of which I can't recall any had the Reapers winning... tho one did have the Earth destroyed, there were some very gut-wrenching moral choices to make in ME3.

[quote]Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.nowgamer....ry_details.html

"Of course you don’t have to play multiplayer, you can choose to play all the side-quests in single-player and do all that stuff you’ll still get all the same endings and same information, it’s just a totally different way of playing"[/quote]

TRUE OR FALSE?

FALSE = As far as I know, you need to play the multiplayer a little to get enough points for the best ending, if you insist on playing a certain way.

[quote]Casey Hudson (Director)
http://gamescatalyst...active-stories/

“The whole idea of Mass Effect3 is resolving all of the biggest questions, about the Protheons and the Reapers, and being in the driver's seat to end the galaxy and all of these big plot lines, to decide what civilizations are going to live or die: All of these things are answered in Mass Effect 3.”[/quote]

TRUE OR FALSE?

COMPLETELY TRUE = Whether you want to accept the fact or not, you have control over major races in the Galaxy. The fate of the Quarians, Geth, and Krogan are in your hands, not to mention the fate of several individual characters.

[quote]Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.computera...ly-good/?page=2

“There is a huge set of consequences that start stacking up as you approach the end-game. And even in terms of the ending itself, it continues to break down to some very large decisions. So it's not like a classic game ending where everything is linear and you make a choice between a few things - it really does layer in many, many different choices, up to the final moments, where it's going to be different for everyone who plays it.”
[/quote]

TRUE OR FALSE?

MOSTLY FALSE = Sorry Mr. Hudson. You were right just up until the end with that last sentence. Yes, there's a huge set of consequences that start stacking up as you approach the end-game, but it wasn't different for everyone who played it. The journey, perhaps, but not the ending.

Well that was fun.

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I'm not even mad anymore, just severely disappointed at the false advertisement.

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Well, guess it turns out they'll still ignore these statements made.

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I definetly agree...thanks for getting all those quotes to just prove that I wasn't just going insane thinking hey "didn't they say i'd get everything summed up".

Seriously it was a fantastic series. It is an epic shame that the ending was obviously rushed (no doubt thanks to EA), because if this game had that summed up ending we were all PROMISED then by god i would happily go back to ME2 and buy the extra DLC and all future DLC for ME3. Now however I just feel like investing any more money into this product is a complete waste because in the end it will have no result towards any outcome for one of the 16 different endings...oh wait sorry 3 endings (I get confused sometimes).

Sad to say so long bioware, thankyou for giving us literally no TRUE statements and apprently now banning anyone who has a direct argument towards say the writers or artists. Sorry but seriously grow up and take the critisism you rightly deserve!

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totalrecall87 wrote...

JohnnyG wrote...

Beldamon wrote...

CmdrStJean wrote...

After looking at the comments in the context of the pre-post gold timeline (thanks OP) this does appear to be very damning for Bioware indeed. It seems, at the very least, there was a deliberate attempt to misrepresent how ME3 would end, and I must say I can't think of many non-nefarious reasons to engage in such behavior. You know in a lot of ways my initial anger and frustration over this has turned to sadness. The more I learn about this the more unlikely it seems to me that Bioware can ever really hope to recover from what has happened, irrespective of their true motivations and circumstances. Perception counts for so much in this world and I fear that no amount of explanation or justification can undo the damage already inflicted.

I do agree with CrasVox that there is still time for redemption. It's not too late to set things right, but honestly, what are the chances of anything being done along those lines? I'd be ecstatic if things changed and everything turned out for the better. Hell, I'd gladly pay for a true, comprehensive DLC fix to this nightmare. They already have my money for ME3, that's a sunk cost I can't get back anyway so refusing to support a real ending, even if it did cost money, would be counterproductive. I would do that however only if the turnabout was sincere and intended to set right the current state of affairs. And at the moment, there's no reason to believe Bioware/EA have any intention of doing this. So here we are.


Yup.  Coming clean, *and* fixing the problem would go such a long way towards restoring credibility!!

That wouldn't mean I would instantly regain trust, but it would be a powerful new beginning.

I agree with both of you.  I don't want my money back, I just want to love the series again the way I did before this whole debacle.


+++++++1


Agreed.

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I CBA reading 15 pages of thread right now, though I did read all the Bioware tagged posts (nifty feature!).


Basically, the main problems with the endings that I have are the fact that it doesn't make sense. Why was the Normandy jumping? It is never explained. How can the shockwave the Crucible causes even overtake the ship, considering relay jumps have been established as being instantaneous affairs? For me, a clear break of canon. How come squadmates I had with me during the final push in London are suddenly back on the Normandy? A coding error? Something more?

All of this is the source of the rage and WMG you've seen on the forums.


And all of this is just the tip of the iceberg, though. We were promised several endings, each taking into account the actions we took over all three games. Let me give you a few examples of how our choices matter:

Conrad Verner either dies by gunshot, or by the reapers taking control of the citadel.

Kelly Chambers? - Cerberus or the reapers.

Valern? - Cerberus or...you guessed it.

Aria? Bailey? - Reapers.


I'm still not sure what I'm supposed to think of the final ten minutes. Was Shepard indoctrinated and the three choices the way out of it for him/her? There's a lot that speaks for that theory. The problem with it is this: it was too vague, especially since Shepard can be seen waking back up buried in what looks like concrete. Whas s/he ever on the Citadel in the first place?

I can't answer that question. A question ME3 left unanswered, BTW. I can tell you what I'd've done with it:

Either Shepard chooses control (humanity is reduced to pawns of the reapers as the collectors were) or synthesis (humanity becomes another reaper), or s/he chooses to use the crucible for its original purpose: the destruction of the reapers. After that, I'd have had the citadel break up much more slowly, giving the chance for Shepard to rally survivors and evacuate some of them, that number depending on how many ships survived the battle.


I'm aware I've been repeating what others have said somewhere else on the forums, maybe even in this thread. See if I care, it can't be repeated often enough.

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It's a shame - had they lived up to the marketed quotes - damn. We'd be carrying N7 flags through the streets while humming Faunts.

Its confusing though - how much of a 180 they did on those quotes - especially since some of those quotes were made well after the game would be in its final stages so its not like they would be unaware of the actual endings.

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People are talking lawsuits, but I don't think that's even necessary.  Bioware has done a huge amount of damage to itself, just by making these statements and then utterly failing to deliver.  They've basically torpedoed the trust between the company and their hardcore fans, and frankly I don't think they're ever going to win that back.  I think that before the release of ME3, we thought of Casey Hudson and Co. as the "good guys" - developers that still had integrity and who actually cared about their fans.  I think in the past couple of weeks that perception has done a complete 180.  Which is just, well, sad really.

I know that people will say that "oh, Bioware will recover from the loss of this vocal 'minority' of fans," but all I can say is, would you bet your company's future, and hundred's of people's livelihoods, on it?  I don't think I would. 

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Marta Rio II wrote...

People are talking lawsuits, but I don't think that's even necessary.  Bioware has done a huge amount of damage to itself, just by making these statements and then utterly failing to deliver.  They've basically torpedoed the trust between the company and their hardcore fans, and frankly I don't think they're ever going to win that back.  I think that before the release of ME3, we thought of Casey Hudson and Co. as the "good guys" - developers that still had integrity and who actually cared about their fans.  I think in the past couple of weeks that perception has done a complete 180.  Which is just, well, sad really.

I know that people will say that "oh, Bioware will recover from the loss of this vocal 'minority' of fans," but all I can say is, would you bet your company's future, and hundred's of people's livelihoods, on it?  I don't think I would. 

I agree.  Lawsuits are not the answer.  BioWare fixing the games so that it comes into line with these quotes (especially the ending) would restore a lot of the trust (though not all).  I just want to love the game again the way I did when I pre-ordered ME3 back in October.

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Marta Rio II wrote...

People are talking lawsuits, but I don't think that's even necessary.  Bioware has done a huge amount of damage to itself, just by making these statements and then utterly failing to deliver.  They've basically torpedoed the trust between the company and their hardcore fans, and frankly I don't think they're ever going to win that back.  I think that before the release of ME3, we thought of Casey Hudson and Co. as the "good guys" - developers that still had integrity and who actually cared about their fans.  I think in the past couple of weeks that perception has done a complete 180.  Which is just, well, sad really.

I know that people will say that "oh, Bioware will recover from the loss of this vocal 'minority' of fans," but all I can say is, would you bet your company's future, and hundred's of people's livelihoods, on it?  I don't think I would. 


yeah no reason to go for lawsuits, just hurt them financially. If you don't want to stop buying their games completely then buy them after significant price drops, or buy them used, or trade them in after you've finished them. Those are all things that will really show in their future sales earnings. And maybe they'll think twice about how they advertise to fans vs what they actually give us.

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Interviewer: [Regarding the numerous possible endings of Mass Effect 2] “Is that same type of complexity built into the ending of Mass Effect 3?”

“Yeah, and I’d say much more so, because we have the ability to build the endings out in a way that we don’t have to worry about eventually tying them back together somewhere. This story arc is coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different. At this point we’re taking into account so many decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them.”

“We have a rule in our franchise that there is no canon. You as a player decide what your story is.”

Every time i see this quote its painful. I't remind's never to never buy a day one release's ever again.

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Great post, JohnnyG. Thank you. This is exactly why I'm considering returning my copy. I have some faith left, though. We'll see how BW tries to justify the comments at Pax, if they are willing to take questions.

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MOSTLY FALSE = Sorry Mr. Hudson. You were right just up until the end with that last sentence. Yes, there's a huge set of consequences that start stacking up as you approach the end-game, but it wasn't different for everyone who played it. The journey, perhaps, but not the ending.

Well that was fun.


To me what makes this hurt so much, is that most of these statements were made in MARCH, 1 week before release. Which means then knew they were exagerating and did so blatantly.