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[Sevorast]

I gave up already, everything EA and Bioware related has been removed from my pc. I will not be burned again by these people.

Blizzard and Valve are pretty much the only game developers I feel I can trust anymore.

[Bojan1es]

Got a new sig!!
Unless the press release by EA Mexico was legit, Bioware have till Friday to save me as a customer, although not sure if i want to purchase anything now with all the PR Lies :<

[Clayless]

Nice, OP will you add in that disclaimer that the OP has proven to be inaccurate so the best thing for the reader to do would be to research yourself?

[BWGungan]

Yes, they flat out lied about several aspects of the game, and specifically the nature of the ending. Casey's quote saying that we won't get an ABC ending is exactly word for word what we actually got.

There should be legal repurcussions for this.

[JohnnyG]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Nice, OP will you add in that disclaimer that the OP has proven to be inaccurate so the best thing for the reader to do would be to research yourself?

Done.  Though I fully believe that my original post was not inaccurate.  Those things were said by BioWare employees.  Whether they chose to retract them later (which only happened in the single case that you pointed out that I am aware of) is not what the thread is about.  If someone points out to me instances where they have made other such retractions before the game went gold, I will be happy to update my original post.

[Liber320]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Nice, OP will you add in that disclaimer that the OP has proven to be inaccurate so the best thing for the reader to do would be to research yourself?

Just shut up already

[Liber320]

JohnnyG wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Nice, OP will you add in that disclaimer that the OP has proven to be inaccurate so the best thing for the reader to do would be to research yourself?

Done.  Though I fully believe that my original post was not inaccurate.  Those things were said by BioWare employees.  Whether they chose to retract them later (which only happened in the single case that you pointed out that I am aware of) is not what the thread is about.  If someone points out to me instances where they have made other such retractions before the game went gold, I will be happy to update my original post.

Stop pandering to this guy, adding the twitter post was all that was really neccissary. Unless he comes up with more thread-relevant information, it's best if we just ignore him

Modifié par Liber320, 03 avril 2012 - 09:45 .

[Clayless]

JohnnyG wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Nice, OP will you add in that disclaimer that the OP has proven to be inaccurate so the best thing for the reader to do would be to research yourself?

Done.  Though I fully believe that my original post was not inaccurate.  Those things were said by BioWare employees.  Whether they chose to retract them later (which only happened in the single case that you pointed out that I am aware of) is not what the thread is about.  If someone points out to me instances where they have made other such retractions before the game went gold, I will be happy to update my original post.

Fantastic.

While I think this^ would be a better thing to put in the OP, as it sums up everything you and I want perfectly, I still have to commend you for actually putting anything in your OP at all. Most Retakers, like the guy telling you to not do this, wouldn't be anywhere near this humble.

While I think putting that quote above would be best and I hope you do, regardless I have to admit that you've changed my opinion of you being a liar into just being a bad journalist. Which is a good thing.

So thank you OP.

[The Mercenary55]

Yep, unfortunately alot of the promises made were the exact same reasons i got it day one. when i completed it i was confused, frustrated and depressed and left with a feeling of everything i did was pointless. What was the point of all those choices if none of it factored in.

Was very disappointed but still have faith in bioware, see what happens.

[joblagz]

who's more hurt in all of this is us loyal fans..
we invested so much since the first game..

[Liber320]

The Mercenary55 wrote...

Yep, unfortunately alot of the promises made were the exact same reasons i got it day one. when i completed it i was confused, frustrated and depressed and left with a feeling of everything i did was pointless. What was the point of all those choices if none of it factored in.

Was very disappointed but still have faith in bioware, see what happens.

Hopefully they'll adress at least some of these issues at PAX

[Liber320]

@JohnnyG - The op of the Data Cache thread (http://social.biowar...5/index/9851623) said he might add this thread to it. The only reason he's hesitant is that he feels that having "false advertising" in the title might put his thread at risk.

So if you were willing to edit the title (if it's possible), you could get your thread added to the near-comprehensive list of ending grievances, if you're interested.

[Little Princess Peach]

Well come to think of it if Bioware were honnest about the game as a whole, would people buy it?
people say they want honnesty and that they feel cheated because of what Bioware had promised them, but in Reality everyone dose this to promot a product

[DJBare]

Tali-vas-normandy wrote...

Well come to think of it if Bioware were honnest about the game as a whole, would people buy it?
people say they want honnesty and that they feel cheated because of what Bioware had promised them, but in Reality everyone dose this to promot a product

Everyone who is not naive accepts marketing hype, this goes beyond marketing hype.

[Little Princess Peach]

DJBare wrote...

Tali-vas-normandy wrote...

Well come to think of it if Bioware were honnest about the game as a whole, would people buy it?
people say they want honnesty and that they feel cheated because of what Bioware had promised them, but in Reality everyone dose this to promot a product

Everyone who is not naive accepts marketing hype, this goes beyond marketing hype.

maybe they really did want us to have the things they promised I recall reading they had to change the ending because things got leeked out,

[Hunter_Wolf]

DJBare wrote...

Tali-vas-normandy wrote...

Well come to think of it if Bioware were honnest about the game as a whole, would people buy it?
people say they want honnesty and that they feel cheated because of what Bioware had promised them, but in Reality everyone dose this to promot a product

Everyone who is not naive accepts marketing hype, this goes beyond marketing hype.

I would argue, not really.

You're upset,  I get that and we all are/were, but you're just more invested in this franchise than some other game you may have no cared for. This tactic is nothing new and the industry is ever changing from franchise to franchise - new experiments are used ever so often to get the best bang for buck a company can acquire.

[Encarmine]

a very fair post.

it is misleading at the absolute minimum.

1 or 2 of the quotes are in direct contradiction to what we actully got, so i would go as far as saying they were lies, even if unintentional lies, a lie is a lie.

I sell property for a living, and if I was as economic with the truth as Biowares staff, and the property I sold had things wrong or different from how i explained it, I would face investigation from the regulators and a potential unlimited fine from the courts to myself and my company. And my company would probly then also begin its own internal gross misconduct dismisal of me.

So why is it one rule for one sector of the sales and world and yet digital products and sales act above the law?

And how people can defend or attempt to play down this OP, when they can see, with sources the actual evidence of misleading information, is just so bad it makes me laugh. But its also nice to se, the detractors could only point to a simple twitter post as being 'withdrawn', but that doesnt remove the fact, that statement was made at a critical stage of the selling process, and helped people form opinions of the game, and wether or not they should purchase.

Very very well done OP, you made a polite and academic statement that is undeniably true.

[Fenderbaum]

Encarmine wrote...

So why is it one rule for one sector of the sales and world and yet digital products and sales act above the law?

Because, as I said in the now closed bait and switch thread...

Because you have not BOUGHT anything.  You do not OWN anything...

Yes they have lied, yes they have mislead (no one can every argue that fact, well, except maybe Bioware employee's lol)....but ultimately, just like with a music cd or film...all you have done is paid the right to USE said product...

Nothing more....

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It's a strange analogy which I will probably be flamed to hell for, but it's like hiring a car.  You do not own the car, there are severe and major restrictions on what you can do with that car, and ultimately, all you have done is laid down money to use said car for whatever period of time...

Unlike...If I BUY a television.  I OWN that piece of equipment.  I can do what I like with it, modify it, take it where I want, whatever, and while that may invalidate any warrenty, it's my prerogative to do so.

Now...could it be classed as obtaining money frauduently by misleading information?  Very possibly, but you will never get anywhere.

Modifié par Fenderbaum, 04 avril 2012 - 10:50 .

[Zarathustra666]

This should be bumped until BW does something to fix what their lies caused. And we didn't even get a "we're sorry we've promised something and delivered something totally different."

[mannyclouds]

Fenderbaum wrote...

Encarmine wrote...

So why is it one rule for one sector of the sales and world and yet digital products and sales act above the law?

Because, as I said in the now closed bait and switch thread...

Because you have not BOUGHT anything.  You do not OWN anything...

Yes they have lied, yes they have mislead (no one can every argue that fact, well, except maybe Bioware employee's lol)....but ultimately, just like with a music cd or film...all you have done is paid the right to USE said product...

Nothing more....

=====
It's a strange analogy which I will probably be flamed to hell for, but it's like hiring a car.  You do not own the car, there are severe and major restrictions on what you can do with that car, and ultimately, all you have done is laid down money to use said car for whatever period of time...

Unlike...If I BUY a television.  I OWN that piece of equipment.  I can do what I like with it, modify it, take it where I want, whatever, and while that may invalidate any warrenty, it's my prerogative to do so.

Now...could it be classed as obtaining money frauduently by misleading information?  Very possibly, but you will never get anywhere.

Ok thing is when hiting said car they are still bound by what they say, if they tell you the car has power windows, central locking and power steering, then when you get into the car it doesn't have these things you are entitled to kick up a ****ing stink, because these things are part to the reason you chose THAT car. I could have bought sevral other games, but i chose to by this game because of the promises made by the devs, and i beleived because the previous to games they some what delivered.

[Swordfishtrombone]

Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer) 3/7/12
Issue 108 of 360Gamer (Hardcopy only, not available online)

When asked about the science of the game being plausible

"From
very early on we wanted the science of the universe to be plausible.
Obviously it's set in the future so you have to make some leaps of faith
but we didn't want it to be just magic in space."

How frustrating that they entirely abandoned this crucial concept in the last moments of the series. The "synthesis" ending is PURE space magic, without even a remote possibility of a semblance to anything scientifically plausible. It constituted a last-minute genre shift for the series - 99,5% of the series was SciFi, and the last 0,5% was fantasy set is space.

Man I wish they'd have the sense to just ditch the space kid completely, cut out that whole scene. There's a fan made video out there that literally does this, patching the "destruction" ending straight after the scene with Anderson, and even though it's abrupt, that ending actually works better than the one we have, by the merit of at least staying within the genre, and not commiting a whole bunch of creative writing no-no's at the last minute.

Modifié par Swordfishtrombone, 04 avril 2012 - 03:37 .

[JohnnyG]

Unless someone can point out to me something specific in the official announcements, it seems like they have decided to ignore the claims in my OP. Such a shame. It is truly sad to see such a great series (and such a great company) self-destruct like this.

[tyranolol]

I only must say that you have lost a good costumer probably never again going to buy an EA or Bioware's product on my whole live, really sad with me3's ending. Thanks for all this years of fun but no one day more of it.

[Railarian]

You know that proverb "What you say is one thing. What you do is another."?
I think we can still hold the line if we request the ending they advertised. There is no way they can justify the quotes in your OP with what they made and their Extended Cut will do nothing more than bury them deeper.

[Keltic]

BWGungan wrote...

Yes, they flat out lied about several aspects of the game, and specifically the nature of the ending. Casey's quote saying that we won't get an ABC ending is exactly word for word what we actually got.

There should be legal repurcussions for this.

Would have to agree with this view