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[Sarifa]

Those quotes leave me with such a nasty taste in my mouth.
Many of these statements are so obvious lies, I feel stabbed in the loyalty back everytime.

They sure have come a long way since the days of Baldurs Gate, and the amazing feats they created. Sadly it's a long way downhill.

[mthomas45]

Menalaos1971 wrote...

This topic is the ultimate issue with The Ending. We were clearly marketed one product, a product I was excited to buy, and then clearly sold a very different product, one that greatly disappointed.

I guess marketing the final chapter in a trilogy that doesn't really explain anything would be pretty difficult if they told you the truth.


I mean, can you imagine the quotes if they were being truthful?
"“[The presence of the Rachni] WON'T HAVE consequences in Mass Effect 3. NOT EVEN in the final battle with the Reapers.”

“There is a SMALL set of consequences that start stacking up as you approach the end-game. And even in terms of the ending itself, it continues to break down to some very large decisions. So it's ALMOST like a classic game ending where everything is linear and you make a choice between a few things - it really does layer in 2 OR 3 choices, up to the final moments, where it's going to be SIMILAR for everyone who plays it.”

Modifié par mthomas45, 09 avril 2012 - 04:53 .

[Xyos]

I love Bioware and all their games, but this is one of the reasons we are so angry at them now. These quotes were supposed to show us what the game had in store for us, what choices were coming, etc. Some of these actually got me pumped, excited to see all possible outcomes.

Thats not what happened. I would of gladly waited 2 more years for them to just take their time and give us proper choice and multiple endings based on all our choices. I was looking forward to a definitive end to the trilogy, not some strange vague ending that obviously was rushed.

I can honestly say I dont trust this company anymore and will not buy anything else they put out. Its not about just my taste of the ending, but what was promised as well.

The DLC at least better offer MORE CHOICE, such as sparing the geth but destroying the reapers.

[Mendelevosa]

I find it amazing that Bioware broke their word on so many areas in the game. The promises regarding the Rachni making a huge impact, the ending being varied and numerous, and the extinction/defeat of races due to our choices were the parts that got me the most exited for the game. Yet, they did not deliver anything they promised in the list. Did Bioware run out of development time, not allowing them to fulfill their words, or did they get brain blocked while deciding how to implement these elements? Either way, this is completely unacceptable.

Getting disappointed like this makes me feel like an old man that crawled on his knees on rocky land for 12 hours to get flu medicine, only to be given a choice between sunglasses and a Big Mac once he arrived to his destination.

[N7Gold]

Dandynermite wrote...

Liber320 wrote...

Was really hoping at least some of these would be adressed at PAX, but nope, they asked questions about facial expressions and Tali/Garrus romance...

Dude they were all planted by Bioware to ask those questions. They want to gloss it over and pretend all these lies never occured by scewing the focus over to things as mudane as those....

I also think some of the people calling the Retake movement "whiny" should take a long hard look at those quotes, and then decide if we are really so unreasonable as to claim "we have been miss sold the game"

This is why my trust in BW is quickly deteriorating. And the sad thing is that they seem oblivious to how bleak their future is by failing to deliver on their promises. They are digging their own grave, yet they seem not to care.

[JohnnyG]

N7Gold wrote...
This is why my trust in BW is quickly deteriorating. And the sad thing is that they seem oblivious to how bleak their future is by failing to deliver on their promises. They are digging their own grave, yet they seem not to care.

That is the truly sad part.  They really don't seem to care.

[Accelfaiz]

this thread might be rather relevent to the whole www.bbb.org/blog/2012/04/mass-effect-3-is-having-a-mass-effect-on-its-consumers-for-better-or-worse/ BBB situation as the comments they refer to are the least dangerous ones that came up in the marketing/advertising. perhaps someone should foreward the info from this thread

Modifié par Accelfaiz, 11 avril 2012 - 03:25 .

[Accelfaiz]

Opsrbest wrote...

Accelfaiz wrote...

this thread might be rather relevent to the whole www.bbb.org/blog/2012/04/mass-effect-3-is-having-a-mass-effect-on-its-consumers-for-better-or-worse/ BBB situation as the comments they refer to are the least dangerous ones that came up in the marketing/advertising. perhaps someone should foreward the info from this thread

For special attention that article is an opinion piece.

im aware it is an op peice; my point was to see if we could get her to review the collected information from this thread and maybe get her opinion on some of the more substantial pr claims

[GarG PS3]

The Angry One wrote...

I cannot stress enough how important these promises were, along with BioWare's reputation, in my preorder of the Collector's Edition.
I spent the extra money because I wanted the best version of what I was certain would be an epic story shaped by my actions.

Instead, well you know. The point is you cannot point to "artistic integrity" when you promised us, again and again, something different.

I agree it was the same for me.

[Painis Cupcake]

JohnnyG wrote...

N7Gold wrote...
This is why my trust in BW is quickly deteriorating. And the sad thing is that they seem oblivious to how bleak their future is by failing to deliver on their promises. They are digging their own grave, yet they seem not to care.

That is the truly sad part.  They really don't seem to care.

You'd stop caring too, if your company became a puppet to a larger corporation that has an uncanny knack of killing companies by ruining their products all for the sake of getting more money...

You'll know what I mean if you played ME1 and reflected on the changes in ME2/3. Remember the things you could do in ME1? Hacking systems, hacking locked doors, or driving around in that Mako? What about the huge diverse variety of enemies (sure it was dominantly geth, but there were so many different kinds)? What happened to them all? All chucked away to include more action and combat catered to more casual gamers, and they completely shipped away the various subtypes in enemy factions. The number of different types of geth enemies have plummeted, there's not that many cerberus types, and there's much to be desired for reaper minions. Exploring planets? Nope, now all you can do is throw probes at them instead! Infinite ammo and overheating is gone, replaced by "thermal clips". What I also loved was ME1's inventory system with a MASSIVE amount of different weapons and armor with different levels. Not anymore, now we got a couple different weapons.

The only thing that remained was the choices and consequences system from ME1, but that alone wouldn't maintain the RPG aspect that the franchise was originally designed to be. If EA didn't influence Mass Effect's development past the first game, we'd still have a great RPG series people would still be talking about (positively) for years.

Modifié par Painis Cupcake, 12 avril 2012 - 08:12 .

[jumpingkaede]

Did Gamble really say that the "Critical Mission Failure" was the same as an ending where the Reapers win? I hope that was sarcasm on his part.

[Nozferi]

That BioWare seems to be ignoring all of this is what bothers me the most at this point.. It's been well over a month, but no real response has come up.. And yes they're making the cinematics dlc, but that won't change the real issues regarding the problems around the ending of ME3.

Personally I'm not expecting much from the dlc, which for me makes the first time that I don't have high expectations regarding anything from BioWare.. And that in it self is the unfortunate impact this whole thing has had on me. And let's be honest, there's far bigger problems with the ending then some added cinematics can ever fix.

[indyracing]

Wow, so many untrue quotes from Bioware.

I did not know this company was capable of this.

[Shawn Pickett]

I was originally just meh with the ending, but the more I hear people get called whiners for pointing out how bad it is, the more I see the pr spin, the more I re-read quotes like these and compare them to what we got, the less I feel like playing Mass Effect 3 again.

I played through once with my favorite character (re-loaded to do all of the endings, did multiplayer and replayed from the Cerberus assault). Then I did a second play through up until the assault on the Cerberus station. Then I got the bright idea that I would play through some of my other characters to that point, stop and play the multiplayer as best as my cruddy internet connection would let me to up my galactic readiness.

I think I got through Palaven with my second character and just realized why? I wasn't seeing a major difference even though my second character was a renegade female soldier (my primary was a paragon male engineer). At the end of the day, the only difference is a couple of points of EMS and a few seconds of footage in the ending cut scene. I've got to many other games I want to play to spend any more time on this.

I'm done with it for now and I might play through again to see the "extended cut" dlc when it comes, and if it goes how I think I will probably put the game away and be done with it. I think I'll play through Baldur's Gate again.

[Wesus]

I got trolled by my 60 bucks

[Kitten Tactics]

This is my first day browsing threads for more than a minute or two since the week the game came out. I've since cooled off a bit, and am able to at least enjoy the multiplayer.

But good lord, these quotes. Why would you say these things, KNOWING that they are not true? I don't want to sit here and be one of those people that demand answers from strangers. And I get that maybe some people think that a different color laser means a different ending, but these quotes get crazy definitive.

Why would you say that about the Rachni? Seriously, an answer would be nice. Because you knew at the time that you were lying to your customers. Is that the kind of person you want to be?

[Riscoliscious]

I completed my first Mass Effect play-through back in 2008 before Mass Effect was hugely popular and loved it. Mass Effect 2 came out and I couldn't get enough. Leading up to ME3, I read a lot of the stories quoted in this thread and got super excited. I sprang for the Collector's Edition because I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing out on the full experience. I couldn't wait to see all of the different variations on the ending and even created a renegade character completely from scratch (including a full play through of ME1) in anticipation of the completely different endings. And then we get the A/B/C ending that isn't anything like what was promised. There was no mention of the rachni in the final battle whatsoever, no hugely varied endings that make me want to keep playing it over and over. Now I will probably complete a 2nd playthrough and call it good.

Until BioWare will admit that they falsely advertised ME3 and takes steps to actually address the problem that they themselves created by making these promises, I am boycotting BioWare and Electronic Arts. Money is the only thing that will force them to listen, and that is how I plan to voice my discontent from this point on.

[CARL_DF90]

I'm glad this thread was re-opened. This is something that definitely NEEDS to be addressed.

[LaFawn]

Johnnycide wrote...

A pity, the last one got closed, you made very good points. The only reason I preordered my Mass Effect 3 instead of just waiting to purchase it was because I was incentivized by those promises.

Same here.

[CARL_DF90]

Ditto for me. I hate liars.

[my Aim is True]

We need some serious explanations of those post-Gold comments. I plunked down $80 for pre-order based largely on those comments and I feel ripped off.
It's such a slap in the face. I don't think Bioware should complain about us being 'uncivil.' Lying is uncivil

[DOHC46]

I agree with the OP. I am not going to commission an artist to paint my portrait and then pay him for the painting of the apple on the table that was next to me. I don't give a rip about his "artistic integrity" when I'm shelling out my cash for a portrait of me. Will I hire that artist again in the future? Not a chance, if he doesn't produce that portrait I paid for! Same thing fore BioWare Studios. I paid $60 for a game under the expectation that there would be specific features included, which were not included. If they are not added in, then I'm not "hiring" BioWare to make me any more games.

[CARL_DF90]

@ my Aim is True and @ DOHC46

You both are completely right and I agree wholeheartedly. Just look at my sig.

Modifié par CARL_DF90, 05 mai 2012 - 05:59 .

[LedinToke]

As it stands I will not purchase another bioware game again because of how poor the ending of Mass Effect 3 was. I want them to know that the ending was so disappointing that I will not take the chance with their games that it will happen again.