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[Vilegrim]

so are we ever going to get an acknowledgement?

[CARL_DF90]

I peg the odds at that happening somewhere between slim and none.

[StElmo]

WOW look at those post-gold statements, thats effed up, totally effed up.

[Codeka]

Are there really still people out there who believe the artistic integrity spiel. Isn't there enough evidence at this point that the ending was mega rushed and objectively bad (at least in contrast to everything else in the series)?

[Filby08]

“[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.”

Great, now I'm angry again.

[Sousabird]

Because a game should never change in development! 

Modifié par Sousabird, 05 mai 2012 - 01:37 .

[Codeka]

Sousabird wrote...

Because a game should never change in development! THOSE HEATHENS!^T#@*%R

Did you see the part with the post-gold quotes?

[EnvyTB075]

Sousabird wrote...

Because a game should never change in development! THOSE HEATHENS!^T#@*%R

So, what, am i to believe that they had everything lined up as they said in the interviews that they knew would get the fans going, only to completely wipe it all out at the last second because......what? See i can't even finish that sentence the predicament is so dumb.

[StElmo]

Sousabird wrote...

Because a game should never change in development! 

Post-gold comments are just as bad, and they aren't during development. They are after the game was finalized and being printed.

[CARL_DF90]

@ EnvyTB075

Stupidity, thoughtlessness, and dishonesty doesn't need reasons. I've learned the hard way that no matter how dumb the situation or action they can happen regardless. The real sticking point for me and many others is that EA/Bioware refuses to really acknowledge, let alone admit their actions. Then they sit around, scratching their heads, wondering way so many people are PO'd. Stupidity at it's finest. You don't lie and/or mislead your fans and customers. The minute you lose their trust and confidence is the time your business starts walking down a slippery slope. Only a matter of time, chance and circumstance until you fall.

Modifié par CARL_DF90, 07 mai 2012 - 03:55 .

[mthomas45]

CARL_DF90 wrote...

@ EnvyTB075

Stupidity, thoughtlessness, and dishonesty doesn't need reasons. I've learned the hard way that no matter how dumb the situation or action they can happen regardless. The real sticking point for me and many others is that EA/Bioware refuses to really acknowledge, let alone admit their actions. Then they sit around, scratching their heads, wondering way so many people are PO'd. Stupidity at it's finest. You don't lie and/or mislead your fans and customers. The minute you lose their trust and confidence is the time your business starts walking down a slippery slope. Only a matter of time, chance and circumstance until you fall.

This.  It's really infuriating how they don't even care that they deceived their whole fanbase with these statements.

[Zhuinden]

Has this been forgotten? Or just rendered pointless?

[robertm2]

Zhuinden wrote...

Has this been forgotten? Or just rendered pointless?

i think its just pointless now everyone knows what bioware did now and everyone knows that nothing is going to be dead about it and bioware will get away with it. Hopefully they wont do it again but im not holding my breath and im probably buying bioware games used from now on.

[SackofCat]

Maybe EC is having the intended effect?

[Deathcall]

I don't get it.

Maybe I haven't read enough threads but...

It pretty much is clear that the current version of the game has three possible endings (not counting slight variations) and that these aren't much different from each other.

Wouldn't that be enough to prove that Bioware made promises they didn't keep? Wouldn't that merit at least someone in charge coming down here to say: "You know guys, you are right. We are sorry." Regardless if they try to fix it or not?

Otherwise, the only thing I can believe is that the whole issue is just one huge publicity stunt and that they tried to trick us into... hating the game? Doesn't make much sense. Maybe it got out of hand?

[Prosarian]

Deathcall wrote...

I don't get it.

Maybe I haven't read enough threads but...

It pretty much is clear that the current version of the game has three possible endings (not counting slight variations) and that these aren't much different from each other.

Wouldn't that be enough to prove that Bioware made promises they didn't keep? Wouldn't that merit at least someone in charge coming down here to say: "You know guys, you are right. We are sorry." Regardless if they try to fix it or not?

Otherwise, the only thing I can believe is that the whole issue is just one huge publicity stunt and that they tried to trick us into... hating the game? Doesn't make much sense. Maybe it got out of hand?

Maybe they really wanted more for ME3, I'm sure quite a few of them are as invested in the series as the fans are,  but they just weren't given any time.

As for the post gold statements, I really don't know, perhaps they were just trying to keep their jobs with EA breathing down their necks?

[chemiclord]

Deathcall wrote...

I don't get it.

Maybe I haven't read enough threads but...

It pretty much is clear that the current version of the game has three possible endings (not counting slight variations) and that these aren't much different from each other.

Wouldn't that be enough to prove that Bioware made promises they didn't keep? Wouldn't that merit at least someone in charge coming down here to say: "You know guys, you are right. We are sorry." Regardless if they try to fix it or not?

Otherwise, the only thing I can believe is that the whole issue is just one huge publicity stunt and that they tried to trick us into... hating the game? Doesn't make much sense. Maybe it got out of hand?

The problem is that technically there are something like 16 different "endings."  Yes, Bioware counts every minor variation as a different ending.  Yes, game companies have been using that very loose definition of "different" for YEARS.  It's actually very common.  If a company touts [X] number of endings, you can effectively chop that number by a third, and have a count that would be more in line with what humans possessing common sense would consider "different."

It's intellectually dishonest, but it's also perfectly legal.

Modifié par chemiclord, 27 mai 2012 - 03:41 .

[Deathcall]

I am a lawyer and I can assure you that that kind of advertisement wouldn't really be considered legal in my jurisdiction...

Then again, who cares about lawsuits... I want my ME3 to be epic, not Bioware bankrupted.

[chemiclord]

Deathcall wrote...

I am a lawyer and I can assure you that that kind of advertisement wouldn't really be considered legal in my jurisdiction...

Then again, who cares about lawsuits... I want my ME3 to be epic, not Bioware bankrupted.

If so, then someone needs to start calling game companies to the mat for it.

The fact that no one does in a court of law tells me its either A) legal or not worth the trouble.

[Legendaryred]

Regardless of wheather the claims are true or not, I don't see why publishers or development studios never answer for these type of things. Maybe one day something will happen and devs and publishers will stop falsely advertising games. I'm pretty sure I would be sued if i said my vacuum has 16 different functions, but in reality it only has 3.

[Deathcall]

Court expenses are prohibitive in the states, specially if you consider that the most likely outcome is either a refund or some sort of fine to the company...

If the fine was substantial, then perhaps companies would start being more realistic about their ads...

[antony1197]

Deathcall wrote...

Court expenses are prohibitive in the states, specially if you consider that the most likely outcome is either a refund or some sort of fine to the company...

If the fine was substantial, then perhaps companies would start being more realistic about their ads...

Is it worth trying? Honeslty? I just dont know anymore, i seriously cant even play the game KNOWING all the lies i was told during the marketing.

[DJBare]

Necro'd thread huh?, should be interesting to compare this with the EC.

Though I admit at one time I did support this thread, but NOT the idea of a law suit, that's just going over board in my opinion.

[Jadebaby]

Thomas Abram wrote...

Mesmurae wrote...

You know, it won't be long before this thread gets locked. Bioware has gone on a locking spree, closing down threads that point out their mistakes.

So... yeah.

You clearly read all of the posts in this thread including the second one informing people to keep on topic, civil and to further the thread so it doesn't get locked. Woops!

The thing that confuses me here is that there doesn't seem to be anyway to disagree. It's a clear cut case of false promises. Even if you loved the endings you can't disagree because it's fact that you'd be wrong. The most evident example is Casey's comment "you won't get a, b or c ending" (paraphrasing). I know this can be disputed by whether big Ben blows up or not etc... But these don't define different endings and are just a consequence of your actions throughout the game. (A) Control, ( synthesis and © destroy are the definitive endings.

[NA1]

Good thread deserves bumping and to be read.

This debacle has definitely put a huge dent in my trust for Bioware.

I won't be buying the products of a company I can no longer trust. Did it with Lionhead Studios, did it with Activision, guess I'll have to do it with Bioware unless they can fix their mistake.