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[Chernaya]

The things they said certainly do create false hope... :C Makes me sad.

[GargamelLeNoir]

Everytime a Bioware spokesperson post something without answering those issues, it's a huge slap on the face for us. Time to man up and face your mistakes and correct it guys, we won't stay mad promise.

[Militarized]

FortitudeSon wrote...

Hope Bioware can address these discrepancies and restore faith in the brand.

My number one concern... with the new Star Gazer information we also have evidence that all the endings seem to obliterate technology for some reason? Why else would they be just telling stories about space travel 10k years into the future. *facepalm* 

[Coolfaec]

Good thread. Shows that we aren't an angry mob.

Let's hope this thread won't fall to the trolls.

Modifié par Coolfaec, 22 mars 2012 - 09:43 .

[NekOoNinja]

Sawtooth357 wrote...

Reading these again, and looking at what we received as an ending, I'm more convinced than ever that they just ran out of time and had no idea how to end things.

Which makes it all even more painful.

[devSin]

The statements that were made in 2012 are particularly shameful. Others I would forgive as simply their failure to deliver what they intended. It's a sad day when what should be the single most triumphant moment in an epic trilogy is the one thing they couldn't get right.

The multiplayer explanation by Mike Gamble is simply not true, and they have yet to address it. It's unfortunate that they continue to propagate this misinformation.

Modifié par devSin, 22 mars 2012 - 09:46 .

[firebreather19]

I'm confused. The back of my Fallout 3 case says Limitless Freedom. False advertising?

[JohnnyG]

Coolfaec wrote...

Good thread. Shows that we aren't an angry mob.

Let's hope this thread won't fall to the trolls.

If they show up, please report them as Thomas requested.

[I RJay I]

I've been saying this all along, the reason I really despised the ending was because it had many plot holes, far too much 'magic in space' which we were told there wouldn't be. And there really aren't many choices. If any visible ones, towards the end.

The false advertising and lies made me lose faith and trust in the Bioware company. And I'm glad they've decided to do something about it, because they're bound to know they need to do fix these things. I just hope that the good part of the RetakeME movement who post constructive feedback can influence Bioware and we can make the ending this game and series deserves. Not to mention restore my faith in Bioware

Regardless, I won't be buying DA3 without waiting a few weeks for the fan feedback.

[FoxyB]

DarkSpider88 wrote...

Those are almost painful to read now.. Okay if any us decide to come around for the next game I really hope BioWare either delivers what they are saying or reign in their over hype. Also from these quotes one could possibly make the argument that the company broke a verbal contract with the fans, which we accepted the contract when we bought the game.

This one is my favorite!

Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.eurogamer...me-people-angry

“Every decision you've made will impact how things go. The player's also the architect of what happens."

Whether you're happy or angry at the ending, know this: it is an ending.
BioWare will not do a "Lost" and leave fans with more questions than
answers after finishing the game, Gamble promised.

“You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide some answers to these people.”

“Because a lot of these plot threads are concluding and because it's being brought to a finale, since you were a part of architecting how they got to how they were, you will definitely sense how they close was because of the decisions you made and because of the decisions you didn't make”

What we got: Speculation!

I remember reading that article and thinking how ominous it sounded when he said the ending would make some people angry. Sure, it's impossible to make everyone perfectly happy, but if people have the chance to go back, make different decisions, and possibly get a whole new ending, it's more likely everyone will find one that works for them.

Happy, sad, or mixed: we just want the power to choose an ending that works for our personal Sheps.

[Simzyy]

This post is great, i really hope Dr. Muzyka and the ME devs reads this

[ImmovableMover]

Honestly I'm unsurprised that the most damning testimony does not come from the fans but retrospectively looking at what the writers said beforehand. This, however, does underline my surprise that the writers behind Mass Effect 3 (like Mac Walters) have not been more vocal in either support of the ending or against it...Maybe I'm just not as connected to the controversy as I need to be, but I haven't seen a single interview or statement from any of them.

I would love to see the Writers, the guys who actually crafted the ending rather than just the supervisors and higher-ups, marry the statements they made about the ending versus what ending they delivered us.

I genuinely believe that, if allowed to speak frankly (something they simply won't be able to do without leaving Bioware or EA) that they'd feel like they could have done more, wanted to do more, but time/budget/pressure forced them to rush out something that wasn't close to the ending they wanted to give us.

[pjotroos]

Good thing that the mods let this thread live, regardless what happened in the responses. It's very crucial. It explains perfectly what we want, and it's explained by the very people in charge of fixing it. Here's hoping their artistic integrity won't get in the way of what they always planned and promised, before the ending got rushed!

Modifié par pjotroos, 22 mars 2012 - 09:45 .

[Drimberly]

*civili...ility*
I was dissapointed with the role the REachni had to play. Oh and I didnt see so much as a grub in London.

Mass Effect 3 will shake up the player's moral choices more than ever before, even going so far as allowing the Reapers to win the battle for Earth, according to BioWare's community representative Mike Gamble. Whai? I wanted to see my annoying femshep get eatne by Harby?

So it's not like a classic game ending where everything is linear and you make a choice between a few things *cries* This was the only lie I feel you said. I am sorry, but this just makes me feel hurt.


"From very early on we wanted the science of the universe to be plausible. Obviously it's set in the future so you have to make some leaps of faith but we didn't want it to be just magic in space."
Ha..hah HAHAHHAHAHA. Had to do this. To good to be true.

[Asclepus]

Criticism by its very nature is neither constructive or destructive: It simply is. What people do with it defines the nature of it. That being said, it most certainly isn't right to behave uncivilly or to issue threats of violence. That's wrong, by most standards. That being said, I also don't have sympathy for the feelings of a company or necessarily the people in it, especially when they've shown little regard for me. So, here is my 'criticism'. Take it as is:

1) Keep your original promises. This hearkens back to the OP's original points. Anything less is false advertising to a greater or lesser degree. Would I report BW for this sort of thing to the BBB? Possibly so. It depends on how rapidly they respond to this situation with -hard- deadlines, dates and answers. Which leads to....

2) Stop being wishy-washy. No offense, but...wait. I take that back. Every offense intended. I don't like people that give me the run-around or give me doublespeak every time I want a hard answer. The statement that you are listening does not ring true when you -never- respond in a concise, informative and defined manner. And frankly, if it's a 'No' you're better telling us sooner than later, because a 'no' somehwhere down the road will not garner the response you might want.

3) Next, stop patronizing us. Most of us here are adults and the ones that aren't are in their teens. Many of us hold professional careers and certifications. In that manner, you as adults are our equals, not our superiors, and let's be frank here, if you continue with the patronizing, we will simply leave as consumers period. It does nothing but promote animosity. I don't excuse the threats from a deluded few, but stonewall tactics, a failure to communicate to people in a non-patronizing way, using your PR machine to attempt to marginalize those who complain and attempting to frustrate us does nothing but bring these upon you. Don't blame us for that. It is you that caused the situation.

4) Re-learn the basics of storytelling. You have good products many times, but one of the first rules of thumb is that a good story can't be rushed. DA 2 felt rushed, especially at the end. ME 3 was clearly rushed to the point that anything resembling a real ending was shunted aside. Some people might be proud of it there. That's fine, but maybe you should consider putting people in charge who actually understand what it takes to make a real story that pleases the majority of the fans out there? Notice here that I am not calling for mass firings or anything else, but what i am saying is that if someone cannot be trusted with one of the most profitable ventures of all time for the company, maybe someone else should take over.

This is my criticism, you can take it or leave it. Most likely it will be ignored by Bioware or censored by the PC police. Doesn't really matter to me. I' ve said my peace and until BW gets their act together, this is the last time I pay full price for one of their games.

Peace.

[Zokopops]

This really needs a statement and soon..I think this is the main reason for the fanrage...we expected something else...

[xxskyshadowxx]

The argument against "False advertising" that people will use is that promotional interviews are not regulated. And that is true....and why they get away with it.

However, I made my preorder rather than wait a few months decision based on all the comments made in promotional interviews prior to launch. No one at Bioware ever corrected any of those claims and so I made my buying decision based on those unregulated misconceptions. So until I get what I paid for....yes I will argue about it and refuse to hand them any more money for anything. It's not entitlement; it's consumer rights and responsibility.

[Silveralen]

You know what bothers me most about this? They obviously knew what we wanted. They were saying what we wanted to hear. Why didn't they do it?

[firebreather19]

Exaggerated language is always a part of selling a product. Do you really think a elves make Keebler cookies, or that Gatorade actually turns you sweat into different colors? This has been going on for decades...why is this one game out of everything you've ever watched listened to or experienced the one you need to call "false advertising" on? Not "trolling," honest question. Just appears to be more searching for justification for disliking the endings than anything else.

[KingG528]

Simply astounded by what was said before the release and what we actually got. I truly hope that the bigshots at EA/Bioware look at this and right this.

[Shadow98]

joe1852 wrote...

i just call it peter molyneux syndrome

Exactly how I put it the other day. Sucks but such is life. Developers want to hype their games nothing wrong with that but it is a shame when they promise things they can't deliver and fans get angry.

[Brahlis]

They won't respond.

They already have our money, so why should they care?

Answer: They don't.

[firebreather19]

I preordered because I wanted 3 extra weapons.

[adidaz]

Thanks for posting this, well said.

[CoyoteLovely]

I'm glad to see this thread is back. It needs a response.