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[TheLostGenius]

Sharkey1337 wrote...

TheLostGenius wrote...

There has been absolutely no false advertising in regards to the product or its quality. You only have a subjective opinion and EA/Bioware has sold a content rich game that surpasses what was advertised and you all should be ashamed at yourselves for bringing such a baseless and thoughtless accusation up in the forum like this.

/end thread

I'm sorry, but did you read those quotes? Some of those were made 2 weeks from launch, from the very developers. Considering how the endings we have now are the complete opposite of what they were describing the endings as, it is VERY misleading.

No even remotely misleading. You were mislead by how our imagination interpreted the meanings. SELECTIVE INTERPRETATION BASED ON SAID OPINION. There was no false advertising, in this case, only false minds. 

[firebreather19]

Right, but I pick up my copy of Fallout 3, the real McCoy if you will, and it promises me Limitless Freedom. There's plenty of freedom, but certainly not limitless.

I just feel like false advertising is nothing new and why make Bioware the one to crucify? I'm sure hundreds of other objects in our lives have sold us on not-so-perfect substance.

[Asclepus]

fearan1 wrote...

Yes those Quotes directly influenced my pre-order of the collectors addition . The problem lies in that they give you the choices throughout the game then the ending steals all the meaning from them . It is like being allowed to save someone or not from a car crash in the morning so they can die in a car crash at lunch does our choice in the morning really matter ?

Indeed, especially since our Shepards were the ones driving the car (collectively) that killed at lunch.

[DaveTCH]

Thomas Abram wrote...

Just let Marauder Shields do his thing.

HOLD THE LINE

This is an example of a useless post that does nothing but take away from what this thread is meant to do.

Apologies. Thanks for the heads up.

[Shadow98]

What is interesting is that one of the quotes above does say that we are crafting the story as much as Bioware which is interesting because they are responding to all this back lash over the ending. Kinda takes the idea of how much we as players in a story are able to influence the game itself to a whole new level

[jspiess]

The main one that bothers me are the "mp is not necessary to get best ending", but the worst one is by far the "A, B, C ending". That says that they are going to make ending that takes into account our choices, and be different depending on our choices. Instead we got exactly A, B, or C.

[Fulgrim88]

Johnnycide wrote...

A pity, the last one got closed, you made very good points. The only reason I preordered my Mass Effect 3 instead of just waiting to purchase it was because I was incentivized by those promises.

Same here. As a customer, I feel being lied to, or at the very least intentionally mislead.

No amount of arguing about artistic integrity, and no amount of clarification towards the current, incredibly similiar endings will change that.
Give us diversity. Let our choices matter. Give us something at least remotely akin to what we were promised.

[Hunter_Wolf]

Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.computera...missing-in-me2/

“And, to be honest, you [the fans] are crafting your Mass Effect story as much as we are anyway.”

I'm getting full of myself at the moment but the idea that this was all done on purpose to get people talking so they could fill in the blanks with later DLC, is an enticing thought. Doubt any company is THAT clever but that's been on my mind with what all the info leaking and analysis is going on. Just seems... bland. That what we were given was never intended to be final anyways.

Shepard got shot by Marauder Shields but it hit him in the right shoulder, yet after shooting at Anderson, Shepard grips his left side to cover up what is a bleeding and gaping wound. It was very likely a dream.

Modifié par Hunter_Wolf, 22 mars 2012 - 10:47 .

[I RJay I]

Guys, I have read most of the posts on this thread and it seems that some of you are forgetting that we've been given an official statement that says we will be getting something to do with the ending and that they will give us more information then.

There is only so much we can say until they announce what it is they are doing. I just really really hope that Bioware read this and understand that we just want them to be straight up with us, no exaggerated language/false advertising/lies to make us happy for the time being until it's released.

We (or at least most of us anyway) are reasonable people and just want the best experience from the final game in a fantastic trilogy. Just be honest with us

[Dave Hoffman]

I'd like to know WHEN those interviews were conducted. When they went to print might help a little, but when they were actually done is more important. I think that at the time that they said those things, they believed that what they were saying would be in the game. Orrrrrrr, the left hand didn't know what the right hand was doing. Either way, I find it hard to believe that they were purposely trying to deceive anyone. What would the motivation behind that be?

As far as I can tell, most dev studios are perhaps overly confident/optimistic about what will end up in the final build. Anyone remember Radiant AI from Oblivion? Todd Howard had this cool video about how glorious Radiant AI was going to be... and.... it never make it into the game. Oops. Whatever. It is what it is, and no one should be surprised by it.

As for the quotes related to the endings, what they tell me are that the endings that we got were not the endings they planned to give us. Yea, yea, no kidding. It makes me believe that they ran out of time and had to somehow make due with what was finished. Wasn't the original release date supposed to be November 2011?... before being pushed back to March 2012? I don't know, it just seems like the turkey needed another couple hours in the oven, but they (most likely EA) didn't want to push it back into the summer. If there's any degree of truth to that, they'll never admit to it.

Regardless of the endings, it just didn't seem right to me anyway. Wasn't anyone else expecting your entire squad, past and present, to fight their way through the Citadel to crack that shell open? Kind of like the full-squad involvement to end ME2? It just seemed like some epic final Citadel assault was missing.

It all reminds me of Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 2. Those not familiar, Google it. To make their Christmas shopping deadline, Obsidian shoved that thing out the door with an ending thrown together with sticky notes and masking tape. Some smart people dug into the game files and found loads of spoken dialog and cut-scenes for an ending that was never developed.

My guess is that this upcoming DLC that supposedly will have multiple endings, that supposedly they've "recently" decided to put into motion in response to player feedback.... has been the plan from day 1. It's the real ending that they didn't have time to finish, that they were quoted talking about.

Of course, that's just my own speculation from connecting the dots.

[Silveralen]

TheLostGenius wrote...

Sharkey1337 wrote...

TheLostGenius wrote...

There has been absolutely no false advertising in regards to the product or its quality. You only have a subjective opinion and EA/Bioware has sold a content rich game that surpasses what was advertised and you all should be ashamed at yourselves for bringing such a baseless and thoughtless accusation up in the forum like this.

/end thread

I'm sorry, but did you read those quotes? Some of those were made 2 weeks from launch, from the very developers. Considering how the endings we have now are the complete opposite of what they were describing the endings as, it is VERY misleading.

No even remotely misleading. You were mislead by how our imagination interpreted the meanings. SELECTIVE INTERPRETATION BASED ON SAID OPINION. There was no false advertising, in this case, only false minds. 

Ok wait, we were told specifically there would not be ending A B or C. We got endings Red Blue and Green.

Are you really saying that wasn't a lie? At all? Did you read the quotes and finish the game?

[The Angry One]

Fulgrim88 wrote...

Johnnycide wrote...

A pity, the last one got closed, you made very good points. The only reason I preordered my Mass Effect 3 instead of just waiting to purchase it was because I was incentivized by those promises.

Same here. As a customer, I feel being lied to, or at the very least intentionally mislead.

No amount of arguing about artistic integrity, and no amount of clarification towards the current, incredibly similiar endings will change that.
Give us diversity. Let our choices matter. Give us something at least remotely akin to what we were promised.

Very much this.

[Shadow98]

firebreather19 wrote...

Right, but I pick up my copy of Fallout 3, the real McCoy if you will, and it promises me Limitless Freedom. There's plenty of freedom, but certainly not limitless.

I just feel like false advertising is nothing new and why make Bioware the one to crucify? I'm sure hundreds of other objects in our lives have sold us on not-so-perfect substance.

Ah now I'm at a real keyboard and I can type a better response. While you do have a point there. I again must say some of these quotes are pretty far away from what happened.

For example
“[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.”

And

Whether you're happy or angry at the ending, know this: it is an ending.
BioWare will not do a "Lost" and leave fans with more questions than
answers after finishing the game, Gamble promised.

“You'll
get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless
of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide
some answers to these people.”

To just show two things that were said that could be seen as false advertising. If you want to show me how these are mere exaggeration I am cool with that but we may still disagree.

Modifié par Shadow98, 22 mars 2012 - 10:15 .

[I can Hackett]

It's pretty unbelievable when you have all their quotes all in one place and then you see the actual ending it's like wtf, I just don't understand what happened, and then their SURPRISED about the negative reaction!?

[Reptilian Rob]

StartOrange wrote...

Ehm... I don't want to be an ass or something, but this thread is pointless unless bioware respond themselves.

Well, how are they going to address it if they refuse to hear it?

Throw it in their face enough and they will eventually say something, as we have proved before. 

Modifié par Reptilian Rob, 22 mars 2012 - 10:15 .

[LyletheBloody]

I will reserve my thanks until we see what BioWare does with its second opportunity. It would behoove them not to mess this up AND charge a price tag (actually... just don't mess it up).

[vasametropolis]

The title of the topic sounds blunt and negative, but honestly cannot be said any other way. Well said OP.

Modifié par xCaptainAmazing, 22 mars 2012 - 10:15 .

[Lavits75]

The one that REALLY gets me is, you won't be stuck with A, B, or C and the endings will have a large variety..... I got stuck with A, B, or C and the endings were basically the same.

[dfstone]

It was disappointing. Bioware made it seem like this game would be the ultimate finale to all the decisions you've made and the galaxy would completey change based on your actions alone. And thats not at ALL what happened. Really if you guys knew that the endings would be stock CGI cut-scenes with little to no variation and took absolutely nothing of your decisions into account, you shouldnt have advertised this as the "ultimate RPG experience" or whatever. That was a sneaky trick, imo.

[I can Hackett]

I RJay I wrote...

Guys, I have read most of the posts on this thread and it seems that some of you are forgetting that we've been given an official statement that says we will be getting something to do with the ending and that they will give us more information then.

There is only so much we can say until they announce what it is they are doing. I just really really hope that Bioware read this and understand that we just want them to be straight up with us, no exaggerated language/false advertising/lies to make us happy for the time being until it's released.

We (or at least most of us anyway) are reasonable people and just want the best experience from the final game in a fantastic trilogy. Just be honest with us

This is me also

[Thomas Abram]

Pruned. I don't sleep people, keep it civil, on topic and if you post make sure it furthers the discussion.

[Marta Rio II]

firebreather19 wrote...

Right, but I pick up my copy of Fallout 3, the real McCoy if you will, and it promises me Limitless Freedom. There's plenty of freedom, but certainly not limitless.

I just feel like false advertising is nothing new and why make Bioware the one to crucify? I'm sure hundreds of other objects in our lives have sold us on not-so-perfect substance.

I think there is a major difference between the hyperbole that goes on the cover of a box (or in a print ad, or in TV spot) and direct statements from the developers themselves. 

I don't think they owe us an apology for misleading statements, but I do think that they should be made aware of the fact that we don't trust them anymore.  Whether they want to try to gain our trust back is up to them. 

[Silveralen]

Thomas Abram wrote...

Pruned. I don't sleep people, keep it civil, on topic and if you post make sure it furthers the discussion.

Not to be rude, but can you be a bit more specific? I'm kinda worrying everytime I resond to something in this thread.

[Lavits75]

I don't really blame Bioware, to be completely honest. I genuinely believe they care about their fans. I do however, think that EA kinda pushed it along and hurried it into production. I mean, they were already set back. God, what a mistake on their part. I would much rather wait even longer than have to suffer through the answerless questions, the plot holes, the heart break at seeing the greatest trilogy fall short.

[dfstone]

Reading those Casey comments makes me wonder if maybe the devs had a different version of the game then we did cause all the stuff he said wouldn't happen is exactly what happened. I feel like I'm in the twilight zone when I read the OP.