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[Archontor]

In mass effect lore humanity and a few other species appear to be primarily athiestic, you can even join in when Ash asks of your religion in the first game.

What I found odd then is that at one point in the game Shep says "I'm sure wherever he is he's putting in a good word for us." I found that a bit odd but I went with it becaus it was poigninat scene and I was caught up in the loss of such a great character.

Then later Garrus makes his memorable 'bar in heaven referrence' even though nothing in the Turian religion suggests that they have a heaven and certainly rules out a god.

What I want to know is why they deicided to mess with the lore and take away an established choice about our Shepards?

[Orthodox Infidel]

I'm an atheist but I still make references to heaven and hell and God and whatnot. Just because I stopped believing in the supernatural and deities it doesn't mean I have to stop using common colloquial expressions that everyone understands the meaning of.

[Johnnycide]

Archontor wrote...

In mass effect lore humanity and a few other species appear to be primarily athiestic, you can even join in when Ash asks of your religion in the first game.

What I found odd then is that at one point in the game Shep says "I'm sure wherever he is he's putting in a good word for us." I found that a bit odd but I went with it becaus it was poigninat scene and I was caught up in the loss of such a great character.

Then later Garrus makes his memorable 'bar in heaven referrence' even though nothing in the Turian religion suggests that they have a heaven and certainly rules out a god.

What I want to know is why they deicided to mess with the lore and take away an established choice about our Shepards?

I wondered about that too, I was thinking maybe it'd come up in a dialogue like, "Don't you remember I don't believe in God?" But then again that whole conversation was with Ash, and maybe Garrus didn't eavesdrop.

Failing that, dying once and then coming back probably made Shepard re-evaluate their stance on religion.

[Gyspy Jive]

Because the majority of people who are now playing Mass Effect probably buy into this whole "God" thing. 

But it's probably also just use of a phrase.

Modifié par Gyspy Jive, 22 mars 2012 - 09:53 .

[ninjaNumber1]

Archontor wrote...

In mass effect lore humanity and a few other species appear to be primarily athiestic, you can even join in when Ash asks of your religion in the first game.

What I found odd then is that at one point in the game Shep says "I'm sure wherever he is he's putting in a good word for us." I found that a bit odd but I went with it becaus it was poigninat scene and I was caught up in the loss of such a great character.

Then later Garrus makes his memorable 'bar in heaven referrence' even though nothing in the Turian religion suggests that they have a heaven and certainly rules out a god.

What I want to know is why they deicided to mess with the lore and take away an established choice about our Shepards?

Well think about it, if there was no real after life, no God etc, then everything was just temporary mistakes or self-created rules anyway. Importance of organic life, chance to determine their own faith would just be made up constructs, importance of any life in general would all just be constructs. There is really no 'saving' the galaxy. It would also just be a made up construct.

So maybe someone at Bioware who was deep in to philosophy and stuff decided to include such things to make sure the story was not a complete sham.

Modifié par ninjaNumber1, 22 mars 2012 - 09:55 .

[KingNothing125]

I'm a stone cold atheist, and I still refer to "better places" and such, especially when in polite company... same reason I chose to indulge Kolyat in joining his final prayer for Thane... out of respect, as opposed to a literal belief.

[Cosmar]

I also think it has to do with the whole end of the world thing. If people believe the end is coming, a lot of them tend to start thinking about that kind of thing more. Death, afterlife, what does it all mean, etc. when you're faced with impending death and loss of everything you know and love...

[KingNothing125]

And I absolutely would meet up in Turian Heaven Bar for drinks with Garrus.

[SuperTeal]

I think you're reading too far into it. They didn't take away any lore - it's still very apparent in the universe that there is no real monotheistic/polytheistic religion - besides the hanar who worship the Prothians as gods - and the Asari who are basically doing the same thing because they worship a female goddess who gave them knowledge, but if you have Javik with you on the mission at the Asari temple he makes it pretty clear that the Asari are actually worshipping long passed Prothians who helped seed their society with technology.

I think the simple answer is this: The whole galaxy is facing an extinction event, and the only thing sentient beings can do in a situation like that is have hope - and part of hope is faith. I don't think anyone who was non-religious before just decided to start worshiping a God of some sort - I think they are just using the means they have to keep themselves from losing hope.

[ninjaNumber1]

Cosmar wrote...

I also think it has to do with the whole end of the world thing. If people believe the end is coming, a lot of them tend to start thinking about that kind of thing more. Death, afterlife, what does it all mean, etc. when you're faced with impending death and loss of everything you know and love...

Yea, sadly, its way too easy for people get lost in everyday life and forget that there lives are actually temporary, in which case, they would be considering these things more often.

[Offender_Mullet]

Archontor wrote...

In mass effect lore humanity and a few other species appear to be primarily athiestic, you can even join in when Ash asks of your religion in the first game.

What I found odd then is that at one point in the game Shep says "I'm sure wherever he is he's putting in a good word for us." I found that a bit odd but I went with it becaus it was poigninat scene and I was caught up in the loss of such a great character.

Then later Garrus makes his memorable 'bar in heaven referrence' even though nothing in the Turian religion suggests that they have a heaven and certainly rules out a god.

What I want to know is why they deicided to mess with the lore and take away an established choice about our Shepards?

In a game where you can bang other dudes, I don't think throwing religious references here and there is a bad thing. If you pander to one group, then there's nothing wrong giving others a nod. Everyone wins. Yay!

[Yuoaman]

Cosmar wrote...

I also think it has to do with the whole end of the world thing. If people believe the end is coming, a lot of them tend to start thinking about that kind of thing more. Death, afterlife, what does it all mean, etc. when you're faced with impending death and loss of everything you know and love...

That's the "No Atheists in Foxholes" argument, which is kind of bull****.

But I can see Shepard just saying these things out of either habit or to comfort others.

[Aesieru]

Yuoaman wrote...

Cosmar wrote...

I also think it has to do with the whole end of the world thing. If people believe the end is coming, a lot of them tend to start thinking about that kind of thing more. Death, afterlife, what does it all mean, etc. when you're faced with impending death and loss of everything you know and love...

That's the "No Atheists in Foxholes" argument, which is kind of bull****.

But I can see Shepard just saying these things out of either habit or to comfort others.

I still don't know anyone who was in the military that when they were in severe harms way and thought they might die that didn't say a quick prayer out of hope.

[Verethele]

I thought the same thing. Useful metaphors, I guess? That's what I pretended, anyway.

[Lmaoboat]

Archontor wrote...

In mass effect lore humanity and a few other species appear to be primarily athiestic, you can even join in when Ash asks of your religion in the first game.

What I found odd then is that at one point in the game Shep says "I'm sure wherever he is he's putting in a good word for us." I found that a bit odd but I went with it becaus it was poigninat scene and I was caught up in the loss of such a great character.

Then later Garrus makes his memorable 'bar in heaven referrence' even though nothing in the Turian religion suggests that they have a heaven and certainly rules out a god.

What I want to know is why they deicided to mess with the lore and take away an established choice about our Shepards?

I'm an atheist, and liked that part.

[Pheonix57]

I just assumed that Garrus had never really worried about the afterlife, and now that the Reapers are on their doorstep, he realizes he isn't ready to die and is hoping there is something beyond death, just in case.

[Cosmar]

Yuoaman wrote...

Cosmar wrote...

I also think it has to do with the whole end of the world thing. If people believe the end is coming, a lot of them tend to start thinking about that kind of thing more. Death, afterlife, what does it all mean, etc. when you're faced with impending death and loss of everything you know and love...

That's the "No Atheists in Foxholes" argument, which is kind of bull****.

But I can see Shepard just saying these things out of either habit or to comfort others.

Note I said "think about", not "start believing in." If world war 3 started, and everyone knew that the world would probably end soon in a nuclear holocaust, I know I would at least start "thinking" about death, and "is there anything more", etc.

[Baronesa]

I was wondering the same, I clearly remember telling Ash on ME1 that I didn't believe in god...

I read the prayer for Thane out of respect, as I do in real life when I have to attend a religious ceremony, but the auto dialogue assuming your Shepard HAS to believe in something was a bit bothersome.

Same in Dragon Age 2... I remember clearly in Dragon Age my Warden was very firm in her atheism, but I didn't even had that choice on Dragon Age 2, and auto dialogue of Hawke many times made references to the maker.


To each their own, I guess... but those options are really missed.

And to ninjanumber1. I strongly disagree with your statement

[The Angry One]

KingNothing125 wrote...

And I absolutely would meet up in Turian Heaven Bar for drinks with Garrus.

Shouldn't take long, just have to wait till he starves to death on Gilligan's Planet.

[Zix13]

Orthodox Infidel wrote...

I'm an atheist but I still make references to heaven and hell and God and whatnot. Just because I stopped believing in the supernatural and deities it doesn't mean I have to stop using common colloquial expressions that everyone understands the meaning of.

This. Religion has always been useful for allusions and conversation, even if not meant literally.

[BatmanPWNS]

Even in the future, people will have religions.

I don't know why, in ME1, they tried to say most of humanity doesn't have a religion anymore and, yet, in ME3 there are so many religious people and it even shows that Anderson believes in God.

[Inxentas]

Garrus also notes that he doesn't now jack about religion and stuff, he's just trying to use a wording Shep (and the player) understands. "When we both die, let's meet up and do something nice". It helps to have something to look forward to if your plan to rush into a lazorbeam guarded by a giant Reaper, fails.

Modifié par Inxentas, 22 mars 2012 - 10:01 .

[Pottumuusi]

ninjaNumber1 wrote...

Archontor wrote...

In mass effect lore humanity and a few other species appear to be primarily athiestic, you can even join in when Ash asks of your religion in the first game.

What I found odd then is that at one point in the game Shep says "I'm sure wherever he is he's putting in a good word for us." I found that a bit odd but I went with it becaus it was poigninat scene and I was caught up in the loss of such a great character.

Then later Garrus makes his memorable 'bar in heaven referrence' even though nothing in the Turian religion suggests that they have a heaven and certainly rules out a god.

What I want to know is why they deicided to mess with the lore and take away an established choice about our Shepards?

Well think about it, if there was no real after life, no God etc, then everything was just temporary mistakes or self-created rules anyway. Importance of organic life, chance to determine their own faith would just be made up constructs, importance of any life in general would all just be constructs. There is really no 'saving' the galaxy. It would also just be a made up construct.

So maybe someone at Bioware who was deep in to philosophy and stuff decided to include such things to make sure the story was not a complete sham.

What the ****? No.

Religion thread, I can already see the whirlwind of excrement. (On that topic: there is no god kthxbye)

[KingNothing125]

The Angry One wrote...

Shouldn't take long, just have to wait till he starves to death on Gilligan's Planet.

Indeed.

Also, I love that we're all calling it Gilligan's Planet. It has the perfect amount of satirical bite.