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[rockman0]

I suppose BioWare was trying to appease both sides with that. If you believe in an afterlife, then naturally, you'll take it to heart. If you don't believe in an afterlife, then you'll assume its a metaphor or something.

Perhaps a better idea would have been to give the player the option to make a religious reference or just say something like "good luck" or something. I don't know.

I kind of liked them showing some of the character's religious sides, but that's just me.

[Dark_Caduceus]

Aesieru wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Cosmar wrote...

I also think it has to do with the whole end of the world thing. If people believe the end is coming, a lot of them tend to start thinking about that kind of thing more. Death, afterlife, what does it all mean, etc. when you're faced with impending death and loss of everything you know and love...

That's the "No Atheists in Foxholes" argument, which is kind of bull****.

But I can see Shepard just saying these things out of either habit or to comfort others.

I still don't know anyone who was in the military that when they were in severe harms way and thought they might die that didn't say a quick prayer out of hope.

This atheist left a promising pro football career to join the armed forces, didn't pray once. http://en.wikipedia....iki/Pat_Tillman

[ninjaNumber1]

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Cosmar wrote...

I also think it has to do with the whole end of the world thing. If people believe the end is coming, a lot of them tend to start thinking about that kind of thing more. Death, afterlife, what does it all mean, etc. when you're faced with impending death and loss of everything you know and love...

That's the "No Atheists in Foxholes" argument, which is kind of bull****.

But I can see Shepard just saying these things out of either habit or to comfort others.

I still don't know anyone who was in the military that when they were in severe harms way and thought they might die that didn't say a quick prayer out of hope.

This atheist left a promising pro football career to join the armed forces, didn't pray once. http://en.wikipedia....iki/Pat_Tillman

lol not to be disrespectful but the guy died in the most horrendous (or funniest) way possible... did you read how he died lol?

Modifié par ninjaNumber1, 22 mars 2012 - 10:04 .

[ShepnTali]

Are you bothered about broken lore only, or do you perceive an indirect nod to a real religion?

[pistolols]

i like to draw a comparison of the control choice at the end of the game to Christianity. Jesus Christ allegedly gave it's life for us, the result being that 2,000 years later people still follow his teachings.. i.e. essentially still under his control.

[Unfallen_Satan]

Do Turians not believe in God or did Garrus not believe in God? I know the Asari have strong religious beliefs based on the temple on Thessia. They are the oldest and most influential species in the contemporary galaxy, so I imagine they will rub off on other species too. As for Garrus, nothing like the end of the world and the possible turning of your whole family into organic paste to motivate the search for God.

I am not a religious man, but I am a God-loving man. I want my Shepard to be God-loving too. There is limited mention of religion in ME (present even in ME1 and 2), so atheists hopefully don't feel too uncomfortable.

[Pottumuusi]

Cosmar wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Cosmar wrote...

I also think it has to do with the whole end of the world thing. If people believe the end is coming, a lot of them tend to start thinking about that kind of thing more. Death, afterlife, what does it all mean, etc. when you're faced with impending death and loss of everything you know and love...

That's the "No Atheists in Foxholes" argument, which is kind of bull****.

But I can see Shepard just saying these things out of either habit or to comfort others.

Note I said "think about", not "start believing in." If world war 3 started, and everyone knew that the world would probably end soon in a nuclear holocaust, I know I would at least start "thinking" about death, and "is there anything more", etc.

Still, that's a "No Atheists in Foxholes" argument which is actually pretty goddamn offensive.

[S Atomeha]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Even in the future, people will have religions.

I don't know why, in ME1, they tried to say most of humanity doesn't have a religion anymore and, yet, in ME3 there are so many religious people and it even shows that Anderson believes in God.

the change sort of irked me tbh...  your basically told in me1 religion is rare(via ash defending her beliefs compared to other members of the system alliance military), then in 3 it's around every corner

[LadyofRivendell]

You know, that's a very minimal amount of religion to be complaining about.

[Joy Sauce]

People tend to become more religious, or at least more willing to believe in an afterlife when they feel they are close to dying, it happens a lot to the terminally ill and the elderly. Since the extinction of all advanced organic life was imminent, I think that gives these characters the right to start believing in an afterlife.

[legion999]

I can't see this thread ending well...

Aside from the Asari and Hanar (who both worship Protheans though some don't know it) what widespread religions are there? We have the Drell's religion, the Turians have something to do with spirits and I'm sure Buddhism is mentioned.

[Baronesa]

S Atomeha wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Even in the future, people will have religions.

I don't know why, in ME1, they tried to say most of humanity doesn't have a religion anymore and, yet, in ME3 there are so many religious people and it even shows that Anderson believes in God.

the change sort of irked me tbh...  your basically told in me1 religion is rare(via ash defending her beliefs compared to other members of the system alliance military), then in 3 it's around every corner

To be honest I didn't read on ME1 that there were too many atheist, but more that society was more secular than what it is now, so people simply practiced their religion or none at all without having to shove it down anyone's throat.

[yahtzo]

LadyofRivendell wrote...

You know, that's a very minimal amount of religion to be complaining about.

Seriously.  Not to mention Mordin refers to Christianity as "human mythology".  They tried to appease both sides and I think they did a good job at it.

[Eyjh]

Feurbach suggests that religion and God is the projection of human inner desires. Don't see the inclusion of religion as the game trying to promote an agenda, instead, it is reflecting the thoughts and emotions of the characters.

[Aesieru]

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Cosmar wrote...

I also think it has to do with the whole end of the world thing. If people believe the end is coming, a lot of them tend to start thinking about that kind of thing more. Death, afterlife, what does it all mean, etc. when you're faced with impending death and loss of everything you know and love...

That's the "No Atheists in Foxholes" argument, which is kind of bull****.

But I can see Shepard just saying these things out of either habit or to comfort others.

I still don't know anyone who was in the military that when they were in severe harms way and thought they might die that didn't say a quick prayer out of hope.

This atheist left a promising pro football career to join the armed forces, didn't pray once. http://en.wikipedia....iki/Pat_Tillman

Depends if he felt he was going to actually die or not, that was my point. When you've lost all hope...

[Militarized]

I'm an Atheist and I don't really say that stuff except as a metaphor like.. go to hell = screw you. I never say "Oh maybe he's looking down at us from a better place" .....yeah, I'm sure that's what he's doing, enjoying his time in the Celestial North Korea by staring at everyone like some creepy stalker from above.

I was more then a little miffed that I couldn't say I didn't believe that, or at least say it was a nice sentiment but I don't believe that. In Mass Effect 1 you can tell Ashley she is strange for believing in God.

The more I think about it, the end game really fits into the bleak apocalyptic story of bad mythology that's the Bible and seemed to get away from a lot of the Secular stuff that were in 1 and 2... lots of mentioning of afterlife and stuff in ME3.

Maybe ME3 did more then ruin the series with just the ending.... sigh.

Modifié par Militarized, 22 mars 2012 - 10:12 .

[Yuoaman]

Guys, please try to stay civil, I know the subject matter is something many are passionate bout - but try not to be confrontational and such, people are just expressing their opinions.

[Falcon509]

I believe in God, but even so, what the OP suggested does feel out of place.

More importantly though, who cares? Its not like they're saying "Shepard made a reference to heaven, so believe in God now, fans!" just like they didnt shove all that gayness down your throat (no pun intended).

[The Angry One]

LadyofRivendell wrote...

You know, that's a very minimal amount of religion to be complaining about.

Yeah I'm an atheist myself and I really don't care.
But the auto-dialogue thing is a bit annoying.

[legion999]

ninjaNumber1 wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Cosmar wrote...

I also think it has to do with the whole end of the world thing. If people believe the end is coming, a lot of them tend to start thinking about that kind of thing more. Death, afterlife, what does it all mean, etc. when you're faced with impending death and loss of everything you know and love...

That's the "No Atheists in Foxholes" argument, which is kind of bull****.

But I can see Shepard just saying these things out of either habit or to comfort others.

I still don't know anyone who was in the military that when they were in severe harms way and thought they might die that didn't say a quick prayer out of hope.

This atheist left a promising pro football career to join the armed forces, didn't pray once. http://en.wikipedia....iki/Pat_Tillman

lol not to be disrespectful but the guy died in the most horrendous (or funniest) way possible... did you read how he died lol?

How in any way is that funny?

[Hunter_Wolf]

I found that line to be more optimistic than anything, not necessarily promoting religion or that Shepard is religious. These are dark times for the galaxy and any ray of hope can ease a troubled mind.

Modifié par Hunter_Wolf, 22 mars 2012 - 10:18 .

[ninjaNumber1]

Militarized wrote...

I'm an Atheist and I don't really say that stuff except as a metaphor like.. go to hell = screw you. I never say "Oh maybe he's looking down at us from a better place" .....yeah, I'm sure that's what he's doing, enjoying his time in the Celestial North Korea by staring at everyone like some creepy stalker from above.

I was more then a little miffed that I couldn't say I didn't believe that, or at least say it was a nice sentiment but I don't believe that. In Mass Effect 1 you can tell Ashley she is strange for believing in God.

The more I think about it, the end game really fits into the bleak apocalyptic story of bad mythology that's the Bible and seemed to get away from a lot of the Secular stuff that were in 1 and 2... lots of mentioning of afterlife and stuff in ME3.

Maybe ME3 did more then ruin the series with just the ending.... sigh.

Well, I hope we can be civil about this but I am just curious. What would be reason to consider organic life worth anything or even worth saving? Wouldn't it just be a socially constructed view of what needs to be done? To me it would feel less satisfying to go one a journey to satisfy a social construct which really seems to cause my character a lot of pain anyway.

Wouldn't it be more reasonable to just escape on board my Normandy and keep running or hide? Or just enjoy life my-self and do the things I wanna do the most and just get owned by the Reapers?

Again, not to be confrontational, just wondering why you thought saving the galaxy was what you should do.

Modifié par ninjaNumber1, 22 mars 2012 - 10:15 .

[Militarized]

Baronesa wrote...

S Atomeha wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Even in the future, people will have religions.

I don't know why, in ME1, they tried to say most of humanity doesn't have a religion anymore and, yet, in ME3 there are so many religious people and it even shows that Anderson believes in God.

the change sort of irked me tbh...  your basically told in me1 religion is rare(via ash defending her beliefs compared to other members of the system alliance military), then in 3 it's around every corner

To be honest I didn't read on ME1 that there were too many atheist, but more that society was more secular than what it is now, so people simply practiced their religion or none at all without having to shove it down anyone's throat.

It's stated in the books that the confrontation with the Turians threw all of mans religions into a frenzy, essentially they tried to modify their entire doctrines and if I remember correctly they had lost a lot of the power they have today in society. Only a few crazy ones tried to maintain the original stories. 

[Hunter_Wolf]

legion999 wrote...
How in any way is that funny?

It's not, it's brutal irony.

[KingNothing125]

Apart from the explicitly religious characters (Thane, hanar, etc.), I felt as though most people in ME treat religion like it's some kind of cultural tradition they're too lazy to rid themselves of... kind of the way most people on Earth treat it nowadays. Which is why I didn't even bat an eye when my Shep (who straight up told Ashley in ME1 that he didn't believe) said Mordin was putting in a good word for us.

Because really, who doesn't use that kind of flowery language when talking about heroes, friends and loved ones?