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[Mad-Max90]

I saw the first page...I failed to see the remaining 5, plus since I'm on my iPhone I keep getting prompted to look at the rules each time I go to a new page

[Merwanor]

If you want to watch a tv sci fi series that has some of the most deep and meaningful insights on death, religion and the universe. Then watch Star Trek, especially Next Generation.



Neil deGrasse Tyson also has a very amazing thing to say about our existence.

http://www.wimp.com/astoundingfact/

Life in itself is hard to clasify really, how can we really know what is right, the possibilities is way beyond what we can comprehend. And maybe that is a good thing, because then we always have something to strive for, to understand and seek knowledge, to better ourselves is what is the most beautiful part of our race.

[GoblinSapper]

Stop discussing real life religion before I report the thread. This is not the place for it, nor does it -ever- bode well to discuss religion over the internet.

The OP was a question about Turian religion, all known information of such I will CP again below. Nothing in it outright says Turians do not believe in an afterlife or a "heaven" - this may just be a rough translation on Garrus' part for his human comrade to better understand an alien concept, or a literal expression that Turians believe in a benevolent afterlife or 'heaven', or a hint that Garrus adopted a human or afterlife-believing religion at some point.

Turians believe that groups and areas have "spirits" that transcend the individual. For example, a military unit would be considered to have a literal spirit that embodies the honor and courage it has displayed. A city's spirit reflects the accomplishments and industry of its residents. An ancient tree's spirit reflects the beauty and tranquility of the area it grows within.These spirits are neither good nor evil, nor are they appealed to for intercession. Turians do not believe spirits can affect the world, but spirits can inspire the living. Prayers and rituals allow an individual to converse with a spirit for guidance or inspiration. For example, a turian who finds his loyalty tested may appeal to the spirit of his unit, hoping to reconnect with the pride and honor of the group. A turian who wishes to create a work of art may attempt to connect with the spirit of a beautiful location.Turians enjoy absolute freedom of religion and can practice whatever appeals to them so long as it does not impede anyone's ability to perform their duties. There are many practitioners of the asari siarist philosophy. Since opening dialog with the human Systems Alliance, some turians have embraced Confucianism and Zen Buddhism.In the past, turians believed that titans strode across Palaven, reaching for the heavens. They worshiped these deities and communicated with them at a structure called Temple Palaven. The temple was tended to by a religious order called the Valluvian Priests, who wear special purple robes which obscure their forms. In order for turians to join this order, they had to be considered worthy enough through some action. When the turians spread out from Palaven and discovered other life among the stars, however, they sealed Temple Palaven because they no longer needed legends to prod them upward. With the temple abandoned, eventually the Valluvian Priests fell into legend.

Modifié par GoblinSapper, 22 mars 2012 - 10:56 .

[Avatar231278]

Pottumuusi wrote...
Can you really call it 'afterlife' if you are not conscoius? Well, not all life in conscoius, like plants for example, I still haven't read any definition of life that includes subatomic particles floating in space.

And here we are going back to the term "believe". And so I can call it "afterlife". Just because I don't have a church, crusades, terrorists and a billion (partly indoctrinated) followers, doesn't mean I am wrong. I just can't proof that I am right yet

And that's also, why I clearly can live with various characters talking about their forms of believes and possibilities after death.

Modifié par Avatar231278, 22 mars 2012 - 10:55 .

[ericjdev]

Sion1138 wrote...

Mad-Max90 wrote...

Do you guys have to so rude about it? I'm a Christian and I take offense when people talk bad about any religion in such a crude manner, you don't have to make fun of anybody's intelligence based on their faith, it says a lot about your personality, and none of it is positive.

There is no reason for your defensive behaviour.

Went back over the whole thread, couldn't find what he was objecting to.
I'm not sure if that's for real.

[tomcplotts]

Aesieru wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Cosmar wrote...

I also think it has to do with the whole end of the world thing. If people believe the end is coming, a lot of them tend to start thinking about that kind of thing more. Death, afterlife, what does it all mean, etc. when you're faced with impending death and loss of everything you know and love...

That's the "No Atheists in Foxholes" argument, which is kind of bull****.

But I can see Shepard just saying these things out of either habit or to comfort others.

I still don't know anyone who was in the military that when they were in severe harms way and thought they might die that didn't say a quick prayer out of hope.

well, now you can say you've met one. nice to meet ya!

[warrior256]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

Do you guys have to so rude about it? I'm a Christian and I take offense when people talk bad about any religion in such a crude manner, you don't have to make fun of anybody's intelligence based on their faith, it says a lot about your personality, and none of it is positive.

If it makes you feel any better, i'm a Christian as well and I feel that no one on either side has said anything to offend the other. Yeah some people may have come close to losing their temper, but so far I have been in many religious debates that have been worse then this.

[Swisspease]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

Do you guys have to so rude about it? I'm a Christian and I take offense when people talk bad about any religion in such a crude manner, you don't have to make fun of anybody's intelligence based on their faith, it says a lot about your personality, and none of it is positive.

I am an atheist, who often claims to also be a Pastafarian. I haven't seen anything really out of hand here, yet. I believe in the right of everyone to have freedom of religion. I will never deny someone their right to practice or speak about their religion. I have a Muslim friend and I am always defending her religion because of ignorant people out there.

[AlexMBrennan]

Well, and I take offense when religious people get involved in legislative matters or feel that their beliefs place them above the law (http://www.stonewall...leases/5074.asp).

[Pottumuusi]

Avatar231278 wrote...

Pottumuusi wrote...
Can you really call it 'afterlife' if you are not conscoius? Well, not all life in conscoius, like plants for example, I still haven't read any definition of life that includes subatomic particles floating in space.

And here we are going back to the term "believe". And so I can call it "afterlife". Just because I don't have a church, crusades, terrorists and a billion (partly indoctrinated) followers, doesn't mean I am wrong. I just can't proof that I am right yet

Well, I'll be happy to hear your proof once you have it.

As I said, I don't generally have a problem with deists ect and even theists, they can believe whatever they want, I don't care and I don't think it is any of my business.

I only have a problem with creationists and such like because their attempts to plunge the world into another dark age affects me directly.

[GoblinSapper]

Stop. Discussing. Real life religion and politics.

Please.

[Aesieru]

tomcplotts wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Cosmar wrote...

I also think it has to do with the whole end of the world thing. If people believe the end is coming, a lot of them tend to start thinking about that kind of thing more. Death, afterlife, what does it all mean, etc. when you're faced with impending death and loss of everything you know and love...

That's the "No Atheists in Foxholes" argument, which is kind of bull****.

But I can see Shepard just saying these things out of either habit or to comfort others.

I still don't know anyone who was in the military that when they were in severe harms way and thought they might die that didn't say a quick prayer out of hope.

well, now you can say you've met one. nice to meet ya!

And what harm were you nearly in and what your thoughts?

[Mandemon]

I'm an atheist and I still occasionally throw something about God, like if I have a bad day I might complain to my friend "God must hate me". Doesn't mean I seriously believe in it, but it's good thing to say.

[Swisspease]

GoblinSapper wrote...

Stop. Discussing. Real life religion and politics.

Please.

Agreed

[Archontor]

GoblinSapper wrote...

Stop. Discussing. Real life religion and politics.

Please.

 

I say the fact that we managed to handle such a tricky subject so well should be continued just to show it can be done.

[sector001]

Where's all this religion in the game besides the Hanar religion? As a catholic I haven't seen anything in the game thats throwing religion down the players throats or any symbols of religious origin or objects besides a few alien ones. The asari say "Goddess" but thats like us saying "Oh my God" or something, doesn't mean the people that say that in-game believe in supreme beings. Besides BioWare wouldn't do that to any of their player base who might get offended, it would just start a flame war like those OP's who start topics just to see people bicker.

Modifié par sector001, 22 mars 2012 - 11:03 .

[FreshRevenge]

How many people do we have in the world? 7 to 8 billion people? Yet people get so upset over religion. It is funny how little concepts can get everyone so infuriated?

[GoblinSapper]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

GoblinSapper wrote...

Stop. Discussing. Real life religion and politics.

Please.

I'll get worried once the conversation actually turns sour.  Until then, I'm enjoying it because good discussions on the topic are rare and valuable while they last. 

People are already accusing each other of being insulting, this is an arguement, a civil one but an arguement. And the OP was a matter reguarding Turian religion!

[Aesieru]

FreshRevenge wrote...

How many people do we have in the world? 7 to 8 billion people? Yet people get so upset over religion. It is funny how little concepts can get everyone so infuriated?

Religion is considered one of the most major concepts in Human history.

[MPSai]

All the flavor doesn't bother me, the Asari goddess, Thane's prayers, Garrus joking about meeting up in heaven... it's the ham-handed way religious stuff is all over the end of the game as if it makes it deep somehow that bothers me.

[OchreJelly]

I'm offended that you're possibly offended. That is, if you indeed take offense at my offense of your offendedness.

Wait, what...

[FreshRevenge]

The only thing I like about stories of any type of religion, is that it talks about rising above the difficulties of life. Take Greek mythology, some of the stories are fascinating but they only to serve to boost the human survival instinct!

[DESTRAUDO]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Orthodox Infidel wrote...
I'm an atheist but I still make references to heaven and hell and God and whatnot. Just because I stopped believing in the supernatural and deities it doesn't mean I have to stop using common colloquial expressions that everyone understands the meaning of.

I agree with this one.

Plus one from me.