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[Father_Jerusalem]

slyguy200 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

XqctaX wrote...

on a side not. beeing silent is a form of agreeing.
beeing silent on a forum were it seems 90% + hates the endings = a form of agreeing with that opinion.

Silence is consent? Seriously?

I... okay. Yeah. I'm just.... backing away before... before I say something that will get me banned. So.

Ahem.

*backs away slowly*

JERUSALEM, JERUSALEM this will prove your point... kind of.
Look at it this way Either way if end-changers are a minority it makes end supporters an even smaller minority, End supporters care enough to voice themselves, so do changers, but people who simply are satisfied or like it enough or even don't like it and don't care enough to say anything probably do not oppose any future changes and will probably accept them, they are not in your crowd so don't claim them. Those who do actually care have voiced themselves and revealed pro-enders to be a minority.

I have other issues with the concept of "silence = consent". Real life issues. It's simply better for everyone if I pretend that post doesn't exist. 

Thank you for your attempts to try and help prove my point, but... yeah. On this one, I'm just... backing away slowly.

[Cigne]

Rafe34 wrote...

Cigne wrote...

I have some issues with the ending; like maybe a callback during the conversation with Anderson (about having done the same with Saren, when I convinced Tim he was wrong). And the bit with Joker afterwards, and Grandpa's awkward voice acting...

Still, I liked the concept of the ending choices, and I'm a little sad at the outcome of this protest. Oh well.

so how's this going to work, do the devs submit their proposed changes to the Retake leadership for approval, or does the leadership just give a list to the devs?

Rhetorical question.

So you don't have a problem with them being able to end it however they please, even if it flies in the face of their own established canon?

Their universe, I just play in it.  And I don't see how it "flies in the face of their own established canon"...?

But that discussion would be off topic and I'm already risking my lurker status with two posts in one thread.

[napolean86]

Ask your self this: do you really think Bioware will admit that is actually the MAJORITY who wants the game's end changed? Of course not! They got whole rooms full of guys, who's only job is to bury all the negative press and feedback, and hold up the handful of perfect score critic reviews as supreme evidence of the game end's success. While conveniently ignoring the majority of reviews that disfavor them.

Modifié par napolean86, 23 mars 2012 - 12:12 .

[Father_Jerusalem]

darkshadow136 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

The majority: People who just don't care enough to care about internet fking drama.
A minority: People who vocally hate the endings and post on BSN, and other video game sites, saying so.
A smaller minority: People who vocally enjoy the endings, and post on BSN, and other video game sites, saying so.
An even smaller minority: People who hate pie.

How is that, in ANY way, arguable?

Because you assume that that majority likes the endings. You and Colin Moriarty both assume that you are the majority, when in fact, you have zero evidence that suggests this is the case.

NO I DON'T. I HAVE NEVER SAID THAT. I HAVE SAID, QUITE CLEARLY, THAT THOSE WHO LIKE THE ENDINGS ARE IN THE MINORITY, ESPECIALLY HERE ON BSN.

God. DAMN.

I've said, QUITE CLEARLY, that the majority is those who simply don't CARE.

I'm not ANYWHERE close to claiming to be in the majority. I've never said that. I'll never say that, unless and until I get ACTUAL evidence to back that up. 

What I'm saying is for YOU to stop claiming you're the majority. YOU. ARE. A. MINORITY. 

If you decide to go from "we're the majority" to "we're the majority of people who care enough to vote and post here on BSN and other websites" then fine, I won't argue that. But claiming to be "THE majority" is dishonest and deceitful, so stop it.

Ok let me get this straight both camps are a minority, there is no majority in the court of public opinion on the current endings of ME3, according to you that is. I would see a stance like that as one either being in deniel, indecisisive, or on  the fench unable to pick one side or the other.

I agree that there will be a great number of people that either disliked or didn't mind the ending that never voice their opinion on the internet. I do feel however that their is enough of a concern on Biowares part, that they need to change the endings so they don't loose future revenue. If it was not  a great concern they never would have come and talked about it, and respected publications like Forbes would not have called Bioware out, along with the big game reviewing sites.

I will also point out that every poll whether here or sites like G4TV and so on that had a poll on the ending. The statisics strictly pointed to the fact that more disliked the ending, then liked it. For me making a choice is easy since I look at thing with a black or white perspective, for me there is no grey.

And to me, everything is shades of grey.

If your group adds on "of those who post at BSN and other websites", I have no issue with the claims of being the majority. None. It's only when people make those claims and say they speak for every ME3 owner that I take issue.

[ReshyShira]

mandyissafe wrote...

Hello fellow lurkers!

Hello.

And pretty much everyone I talk to has talked about or has 'heard' about the terrible mass effect 3 endings.  It's pretty much hit critical mass at this stage in time.

[Evintide]

mastergpo wrote...

Hi usually don't say much cause i don't want my word turned around twisted and I do support the retake Mass Effect 3 movement. So i will HOLD THE LINE like a ninja 

Agreed. 

[Father_Jerusalem]

napolean86 wrote...

Ask your self this: do you really think Bioware will admit that is actually the MAJORITY who wants the game's end changed? Of cource not? They got whole rooms full of guys, who's only job is to bury all the negative press and feedback, and hold up the handful of perfect score critic reviews as supreme evidence of the game end's success. While conveniently ignoring the majority of reviews that disfavor them.

Why should they?

They've already said that ENOUGH people are disappointed with the endings that they want to work with the community to try and fix the issue.

BioWare doesn't give a damn who's in the majority and who's in the minority, because they're seeing that enough people are disappointed that they're going to try and fix it to make people happy.

Seriously. You guys WON. Can we please stop touting half-assed poll numbers and "we're the majority" like it means anything?

[Aramiss Ducati]

Life long lurker and I'am extremely disappointed with the endings.

[bleachorange]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

bleachorange wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...
What I'm saying is for YOU to stop claiming you're the majority. YOU. ARE. A. MINORITY.

If there are only two sides to an argument, then there is only one minority. Period. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

There are three sides. Your side. My side. And the truth.

The truth is a three edged sword.

Other random pop culture quotes.

Ending haters. Ending likers. Those who don't care enough one way or another. Three groups. One majority. Two minorities. 

Theanswer is simple.
those who care enough to be return customers will answer these polls you say have no bearing. therefore, they are relevant, if not statistically correct. That is the driving concern of the business.
And you can't count those who don't vote. sorry, that's how it works in america.

Modifié par bleachorange, 23 mars 2012 - 12:18 .

[cbutz]

::De-Lurking::

Why hello there, yes I am very displeased with the ending! Fix it!

::Re-Lurking::

[Valbruch]

I'm a lurker and I hate the ending. No more needs to be said.

[XqctaX]

Rafe34 wrote...

XqctaX wrote...

on a side not. beeing silent is a form of agreeing.
beeing silent on a forum were it seems 90% + hates the endings = a form of agreeing with that opinion.

No. This is not true at all.

This is the argument Colin Moriarty uses to say that the majority of people like the endings.

well im my country we have and old saying, that ruffly transelastes to "beeing  silent to whats beeing said is the same as beeing in agreement" the meening of it is that people should speak up..

my thought is that since there are so many unhappy with the ending and so few that like it,
for me it would seem as the majorety on the forum that does not speak up agrees with those that is heard the most on the forum. becouse that so many are speaking against it would be cause enough for those liking it to speak up too. OFC its only SPECULATION but i do belive this.

if colin is arguing with this im wondering in what way he is using this argument? becouse a think he is MISSusing it. <3

[Salis777]

napolean86 wrote...

Ask your self this: do you really think Bioware will admit that is actually the MAJORITY who wants the game's end changed? Of course not! They got whole rooms full of guys, who's only job is to bury all the negative press and feedback, and hold up the handful of perfect score critic reviews as supreme evidence of the game end's success. While conveniently ignoring the majority of reviews that disfavor them.

This.

I mean this is obviously anecdotal but I have roughly 20 friends that played ME3, none of them liked the ending and feel it ruined the trilogy.  I hear this from most people I know.

Use the 90/9/1 theory on this.  Figure the 9% who sometimes contribute is probably higher in this situation because they're pissed, but still it's clearly a very significant % of all ME3 owners who dislike/hate the ending.

But, EA will find out in a week or two when solid sales trends and user info comes through.

[kbct]

Murkman4683 wrote...

Of course I am KBCT, why would I not be here, you are still here, and you are a constant user of the forums, not a lurker.  My real question is, where is the MASS EFFECT discussion?  If I am not mistaken these forums are strictly for ME discussion, I see none here.  I would classify this as SPAM.

I think this thread provides useful feedback for BioWare. Lurkers may not write post after post but they still buy BioWare games.

[Arch1eviathan]

mastergpo wrote...

Hi usually don't say much cause i don't want my word turned around twisted and I do support the retake Mass Effect 3 movement. So i will HOLD THE LINE like a ninja 

This.

[Eliavres33]

Hello. This one remains holding the line.

[Chaoswind]

I was a lurker, then the MP demo happened and I loved it.
Then I went to lurk again.
Then I heard people yelling the ending sucked, and I argued that it couldn't be that bad.
Then I played the game and finished it and my burrowing was disabled in the editor...

Now I am a sad existence a lurker that can't burrow

[garf]

Dridengx wrote...

Regardless how dense you are, BIOWARE is what matters here right? Bioware's founder called you a Minority.. there is it. let it sink in.. let it burn

okay I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt. but I'm sorry you're as much an eager co belligerant as anyone on the Anti-ending side. Engage in the same name calling, confrontational tactics and self serving 'logic' as the worst of the antis. If you really want dialogue and to convince people to actually change their minds, rather than cement in opposition to you. you're doing it wrong.

As to the rest of you in RetakeME chill guys. I know some of the people troll and vex you are being unfair and downright nasty it hurts even more when the reiterate bioware/IGNs party line. Don't let it get to you. Most of you have nothing to be ashamed of and responding in kind to those who lash out at you is a mistake.

Stay Strong Stay Civil, Stay on Message. It got us this far despite naysayers no one knows how far it can get us in the end.

We will Hold the Line until WE stop.

No Closure
No Sense
No Future
No Choice...

NO SURRENDER.

[garf]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

napolean86 wrote...

Ask your self this: do you really think Bioware will admit that is actually the MAJORITY who wants the game's end changed? Of cource not? They got whole rooms full of guys, who's only job is to bury all the negative press and feedback, and hold up the handful of perfect score critic reviews as supreme evidence of the game end's success. While conveniently ignoring the majority of reviews that disfavor them.

Why should they?

They've already said that ENOUGH people are disappointed with the endings that they want to work with the community to try and fix the issue.

BioWare doesn't give a damn who's in the majority and who's in the minority, because they're seeing that enough people are disappointed that they're going to try and fix it to make people happy.

Seriously. You guys WON. Can we please stop touting half-assed poll numbers and "we're the majority" like it means anything?

I'd have more sympathy with this complaint. If I had any doubt that it would be brutally over used had the shoe been on the other foot.

[freshtoothpaste]

I joined the forum for only one reason. I couldn't connect my game tag to the Mass Effect Infiltrator game I bought (not so good a game, not happy I bought it), and I couldn't login to the Galaxy at large. I sent a message to EA to help resolve the Origin issue (which I'll maybe post later). Eventually, I thought, if I could join the BioWare social network with my gamertag, maybe that would fix things.

Which it did. Everything was connected. I was kind of happy, although disappointed with Mass Effect Infiltrator. Then I finished the game. Then I was sad. My neighbor has been playing as me in Mass Effect Multiplayer, and she likes it.

But I wasn't happy with the ending or the overall quality. So, I started posting. I don't think I would've joined if whatever issue at EA Origin hadn't drawn me here.

So, y'know, Hold The Line.

Modifié par freshtoothpaste, 23 mars 2012 - 01:01 .

[Reverend002]

Only came here after I beat ME3. Voted on some polls about disliking the ending.

Back to lurking.

[bloodyvengance]

 I'm a lurker and saying I dislike the endings doesn't really get accross how terrible I think they are. I knew the second I saw that kid on earth that he'd play into the end of the game and then spent 40 hours of gameplay hoping I was wrong. I felt like I was playing the end to another game. 

My wife also doesn't like the ending. She feels that Mass Effect is now more shooter then RPG, and will be waiting until I've played through any future Bioware games before she even attempts them. We always bought two copies and played through at the same time. 

I have an employee who has finished the game as well and he also doesn't like the endings. He said that at the end everything you've done feels pointless. 

I know one other person who will be playing a used copy he picked up on the cheap, but he hasn't finished yet.

[bleachorange]

Bump

[Toyou4you]

ME 3 BAD ENDING GRRRRRR.......NO COMPREHEND LOGIC OR GET THE HELL OVER SOMETHING GRRRRRR