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[Soma Holiday]

indeed you CAN save him, but to me there should be a paragon route to saving him...which would allow wrex to live also cause otherwise why the hell have i been working so hard to be a good person in this game?

I was under the impression that ME3 takes place in a relatively short amount of time, and if krogan's really do reproduce fast enough to have an effect on the final battle, then I wish I'd have known cause maybe the dalatrass was right...

as for poisoning tuchanka/cure in the ozone thing...all the krogans off of tuchanka had to wait, so wrex being pissy is just a horrible coping device for me watching my favorite character die...maybe i should have killed wrex...

[Eterna]

You do realize not every Krogan was on earth right?

[Jackal7713]

sadako wrote...

You can save him. You have to lie to the krogans though.

And you have to kill Wrex & Eve.

[Tom Lehrer]

Hepzi3 wrote...

Dont know how long Krogan pregnancy lasts, nor how long the ME3 plot runs. So youre argument in itself is debatable. Assume a Krogan pregnancy is 2 weeks and ME3 goes on for 2 years.....yeah thats a lot of mini Krogan....plus as we saw in ME2, they can fight like 4 days after being born....and all of that helps Palaven, and that was the goal anyway.

If you actualy listen to what they say those Krogen were growen full size in the tank. I think it is safe to assume that a naturality born Krogen are a bit smaller and need to grow to full size. Live birth vs eggs would also play a major part in how big they are at birth.

[magor1988x]

So did Thane & Legion. Just thought I'd point that out.

[Tiercel24]

Same thing as Rannoch. What was the point of getting Tali's homeworld back when she can never return to it because of the mass relays being destroyed?

[Vigil_N7]

Mordin died to cure the genophage.

By curing the genophage, Krogan hope was restored and a bolstered Krogan army promised to send help to Pavalen.

So yeah, Mordin's sacrifice brought the turians and krogan together, without him, the war would've looked very different.

[Japkap79]

Mordin died because someone else might have gotten it wrong.

[iorveth1271]

@OP You do remember the giant Reaper Destroyer right next to the Shraud, right? Not acting quickly enough could have cost them a lot of years of effort.

[wasawsolos]

thing is though, if the war against the reapers had lasted for many years, like it was hinted throughout the game, the Krogan would have been able to make several babies. They have a fast birth rate, evidenced by the female being pregnant by the final moments of the game.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Soma Holiday wrote...

indeed you CAN save him, but to me there should be a paragon route to saving him...which would allow wrex to live also cause otherwise why the hell have i been working so hard to be a good person in this game?

I was under the impression that ME3 takes place in a relatively short amount of time, and if krogan's really do reproduce fast enough to have an effect on the final battle, then I wish I'd have known cause maybe the dalatrass was right...

as for poisoning tuchanka/cure in the ozone thing...all the krogans off of tuchanka had to wait, so wrex being pissy is just a horrible coping device for me watching my favorite character die...maybe i should have killed wrex...

If you regularly talk to EDI during missions, one of the things she comments on is with regards Krogan births. I forgot after which mission it is she mentions this but its all to do with that and other Krogan stuff as how the Krogans would need transportation from the Alliance to get them to Palaven and how they'd need their own food and other stuff due to how they react.

The one thing to remember is that whilst Wrex's ideas are solid, as a few people point out including Bakara (Eve) he is just 1 Krogan, if the other clan leaders and Krogan gained a different view he could be outted and then who knows what would happen.

So to some extent you are right but it is more of an emphasis of him not looking at the bigger picture.

Sure they possibly do deserve a chance if Wrex and Bakara are alive, but realistically speaking STG and the others should ensure to look for another form of neutering them if it all goes to hell again

[ahandsomeshark]

If everyone on the citadel died then Thane legitimately died for nothing (even if he was going to die anyway) also Legion if you pick the destroy option.

So yeah, those endings bioware.

[Soma Holiday]

magor1988x wrote...

So did Thane & Legion. Just thought I'd point that out.

two of my other favorite characters, so yes I understand this, but Thane's death was scripted and Legion's sacrifice couldn't have been avoided by simply postponing it to another date, unlike Mordin's.

As for the reaper...I don't understand why that effects the curing of the genophage in the slightest, or Mordin's sacrifice, especially considering some players DON'T actually cure the genophage...

I realize my whole argument is based on circumstance, but i'm trying to fight for my scientist salarian here so forgive my hope that wrex could have possibly seen my reasoning, waited a week or so, and spared me the pain of having to watch my friend die.

[revo76]

lying krogans is the best option.

less krogans, less problems in earth in non-mass relay era.

[nevar00]

The Krogan said they wouldn't help if the genophage wasn't cured. The Turians wouldn't help unless the Krogans helped them out. So... yeah it had to happen then pretty much.

He did die for nothing though, considering nearly every Krogan male is stranded anywhere but Tuchunka right now.

[Mandemon]

I blame STG. If STG hadn't made the damn sabotage, Mordin would have never had to go to the tower, thus never dying.

Yup, Mordin dies because Salarians decided to screw Krogans forever. Mordin was one the few good Salarians.

[Aimi]

nevar00 wrote...

The Krogan said they wouldn't help if the genophage wasn't cured. The Turians wouldn't help unless the Krogans helped them out. So... yeah it had to happen then pretty much.

He did die for nothing though, considering nearly every Krogan male is stranded anywhere but Tuchunka right now.

So you're claiming that upwards of a billion krogan went to Earth to fight the Reapers?

Did they all just teleport there or something?

[MB957]

Calibrations Expert wrote...

Everyone died for nothing...

Except Shepard, I guess.

lol

yeah...sigh..shep got to be the galactic vaporizor...

but hey...imagine all the books we can read at night...with what all that light coming off those supernova relays!!

and smores!!  lots and lots of smores...

oh..no one around to eat them...

ah well!  at least shep is a legend!!

[Reth Shepherd]

Look at it from Wrex's viewpoint. Why does the genophage need to be cured NOW, or no helping anyone else? Simple, because if the krogan go to war now and get the cure later, there is an excellent chance that a cure won't happen. Look at everyone's reactions. 'You're making a mistake, Shep', 'the krogan will become a menace again', 'we solved the krogan problem and we won't see it undone'. The salarians in particular had a vested interest in making sure that the genophage remained uncured. I highly doubt that seeing krogan heroism in action would have changed many political minds. Wrex saw an opportunity and seized it.

[nevar00]

Soma Holiday wrote...

magor1988x wrote...

So did Thane & Legion. Just thought I'd point that out.

two of my other favorite characters, so yes I understand this, but Thane's death was scripted and Legion's sacrifice couldn't have been avoided by simply postponing it to another date, unlike Mordin's.

As for the reaper...I don't understand why that effects the curing of the genophage in the slightest, or Mordin's sacrifice, especially considering some players DON'T actually cure the genophage...

I realize my whole argument is based on circumstance, but i'm trying to fight for my scientist salarian here so forgive my hope that wrex could have possibly seen my reasoning, waited a week or so, and spared me the pain of having to watch my friend die.

Actually Thane can live if Kirrahe is alive and if you never talk to Thane until after the Cerberus attack.  Kirrahe apparently saves the Counciler instead.

[StartOrange]

Mandemon wrote...

I blame STG. If STG hadn't made the damn sabotage, Mordin would have never had to go to the tower, thus never dying.

Yup, Mordin dies because Salarians decided to screw Krogans forever. Mordin was one the few good Salarians.

Well... even though I love Wrex, I still screwed the krogan too. Sooner or later, Wrex will die and then what? They'll have superior numbers again and be the dominant force in the galaxy. No matter how much I like him, the krogan are just to unreliable.

[AlienSpaceBats]

The plot demanded it because reasons.

[seek37]

by saying that mordin died for nothing because of a "what-if" situation (that the krogan could have waited), then you are creating another premise which did not exist when the decision/event happened. the fact of the matter is that mordin/shepherd were given a choice to cure the genophage now or continue without krogan support. the decision was made within the confines of the proposed dilemma, anything outside of said confines are fictional/speculative in terms of the game. since the choice of forcing/convincing the krogan to wait was not a choice due to wrex's, or whoever takes his place if he is dead, insistence, the choice does not exist. Therefore any constituencies that arise from this nonexistent choice are equally nonexistent. Mordin death was justified/meaningful, although it really was a sad sight to see him go.

[2_BR4ZIL_2]

AlexXIV wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Calibrations Expert wrote...

Everyone died for nothing...

Except Shepard, I guess.

Shepard died for the most nothing of all.

Well with the current ending, which means Reapers win, yeah, everyone died for nothing.

Well, the reapers explode, so they died too... unless Harbinger is sitting this one out and is in dark space "loling" to himself on how things played out.

[Naqey]

hope
he died giving the krogans hope
and hope is worth dying for

yeah sure they could have blackmailed the krogans into fighting the reapers, but then they would have one more reason to **** everything up
and judging by some of the people in charge (salarian / asari ...), I think they would have found ways and means to sabotage the cure without the imminent reaper thread
and the shroud could have been destroyed during the reaper war etc. etc, so many different possibilites of what could have gone wrong.

so no, he didn´t die in vain, he died for something he believed in