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[medusa_hair]

First of all, it can't be possible on PS3 because we don't have the ability to import an ME1 playthrough. We made a few of the major decisions from ME1 in the interactive comic but the smaller things that I have seen listed in this forum were simply not available to us. That's a pretty large slice of players who cannot get to 4000 without MP; even if it is possible for players on other platforms, it isn't for us (yet another way we got screwed by using the PS3 for this game).

That being said, I think the MP is actually fairly entertaining. I didn't expect to like it, but it is fun and you level up quickly at the beginning so you can become pretty functional fast. Also, it doesn't take much MP to get you into the 4000+ range. Let's say you can get 6000 TMS (which I don't think is too hard if you aren't sticking strictly to the priority missions). Then you only need to play MP to get your Galaxy At War readiness to 66% and it doesn't take that much time. And it's fun as well, and I am not an MP player of other games.

I don't think they should have made it have any effect at all on the SP game, though. There are plenty of other games that have MP and it has nothing to do with the SP game except that it uses the same environments. They probably thought they were being cutting edge, but they obviously didn't take into account that many RPG players don't care about MP because it is basically shooter-based (or in the case of this one, shooter- and power-based). The cooperative nature of the MP is what convinced me to try it at all; if it was competitive rather than cooperative I would just have just watched the YouTube video of the "ideal" ending and hated on Bioware a little bit more. There are so many ways they seem to have mismanaged this thing that it is actually a little bit amazing.

I am awaiting their upcoming announcement with a great deal of curiosity. I think the time frame of availability of the "clarifying" ending DLC will be educational.

[KBomb]

medusa_hair wrote...

First of all, it can't be possible on PS3 because we don't have the ability to import an ME1 playthrough. We made a few of the major decisions from ME1 in the interactive comic but the smaller things that I have seen listed in this forum were simply not available to us. That's a pretty large slice of players who cannot get to 4000 without MP; even if it is possible for players on other platforms, it isn't for us (yet another way we got screwed by using the PS3 for this game).

That being said, I think the MP is actually fairly entertaining. I didn't expect to like it, but it is fun and you level up quickly at the beginning so you can become pretty functional fast. Also, it doesn't take much MP to get you into the 4000+ range. Let's say you can get 6000 TMS (which I don't think is too hard if you aren't sticking strictly to the priority missions). Then you only need to play MP to get your Galaxy At War readiness to 66% and it doesn't take that much time. And it's fun as well, and I am not an MP player of other games.

I don't think they should have made it have any effect at all on the SP game, though. There are plenty of other games that have MP and it has nothing to do with the SP game except that it uses the same environments. They probably thought they were being cutting edge, but they obviously didn't take into account that many RPG players don't care about MP because it is basically shooter-based (or in the case of this one, shooter- and power-based). The cooperative nature of the MP is what convinced me to try it at all; if it was competitive rather than cooperative I would just have just watched the YouTube video of the "ideal" ending and hated on Bioware a little bit more. There are so many ways they seem to have mismanaged this thing that it is actually a little bit amazing.

I am awaiting their upcoming announcement with a great deal of curiosity. I think the time frame of availability of the "clarifying" ending DLC will be educational.

 
It's nice to see someone who enjoys MP but understands that some don't and how unfair it is. I don't mind MP in theory. I play L4D, CoD, GoW, etc. But I play those games for story and MP. Mass Effect isn't the same and it has always been a single-player experience. It isn't MP that I hate, it's the principal behind having to play to get content in SP that irks me to no end.


I played the MP demo and didn't think it was too bad, but it was too repetitive. It isn't really something I want to invest time in and with the degrading system, if you have more than one character, you'd have to play it semi-regular and with work and social life to deal with, if I make time to play ME, I want to play SP. If I want to goof off with some friends in GoW, I usually do that when I have nothing else going on, but as I said, with ME3's MP degrading system, that would be counter-productive. I also sympathize with those who do not want to play MP at all, those who can't because of internet connection or XBL players who don't have Gold.


It was a bad move on Bioware's part. It's unwise, unfair and alienates some of their fanbase which is something that is not only poor in practice, but paints them in a dim light.

Modifié par KBomb, 04 avril 2012 - 04:31 .

[Brian.V3]

Sadly no.

No matter how you put it even if you try to play morally gray which will net you the highest possible EMS score you will not get the 4000 needed.

I have come to enjoy the Multiplayer and all the Operation weekends. But I have to say I felt it should not have had a direct impact on Single Player. I think someone dropped the ball with the calculations cause clearly you cannot reach a certain ending without any outside activity like MP or iOS app.

There are so many missteps here that all signs point to a rushed product.

[Ibn_Shisha]

medusa_hair wrote...

That being said, I think the MP is actually fairly entertaining. I didn't expect to like it, but it is fun and you level up quickly at the beginning so you can become pretty functional fast. Also, it doesn't take much MP to get you into the 4000+ range. Let's say you can get 6000 TMS (which I don't think is too hard if you aren't sticking strictly to the priority missions). Then you only need to play MP to get your Galaxy At War readiness to 66% and it doesn't take that much time. And it's fun as well, and I am not an MP player of other games.

Not the point.

medusa_hair wrote...

I don't think they should have made it have any effect at all on the SP game, though.

This is the point.



Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.nowgamer....ry_details.html
"Of course you don’t have to play multiplayer, you can choose to play
all the side-quests in single-player and do all that stuff you’ll
still get all the same endings and same information, it’s just a
totally different way of playing"

[Ibn_Shisha]

Ibn_Shisha wrote...

Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.nowgamer....ry_details.html
"Of course you don’t have to play multiplayer, you can choose to play
all the side-quests in single-player and do all that stuff you’ll
still get all the same endings and same information, it’s just a
totally different way of playing"

Please note, he says "all".  Not just what they consider the best one, or even what most of us consider the "best" one.  In which case, we really should be talking about 5000, not 4000.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

What is this 50% nonsense? It divide my score (3100) by 2 ... So I have to play MP for more percentage?
THIS IS BS.

[Slash1667]

Golden Owl wrote...

Habs25 wrote...

Excuse moi? I got 4000 EMS without MP or anything else besides the game itself. FISH! buy fish people

I will be so p*ssed if it comes down to the fish....my uber Paragon stayed professional with Kelly...friendly but professional, she is his subordinate, why would he if his that upstanding a dude.

I have all the fish and all the models, they don't do anything for war assets. 1 fish gives a special bonus on New Game + that is all.

[nullobject]

 So... did anyone PM QA guy Thomas Abram about this as he requested here? Any response?

TL;DR- We need 4000 EMS to get what most people consider the best ending. This doesn't appear to be possible without MP. So, did BW just consider Synthesis to be the best ending, or is it actually possible to get 4000 EMS without playing MP and we're all just missing something?

That sounds really odd - I specifically recall testing something similar to this early in the new year and all the tests passed. I'm at home for the day but when I get in to work tomorrow I'll take a good hard look (if you want to follow up please do so via PM/seperate thread).

[Scarlet434]

I don't play MP, so I've played all the ME games on my offline gamertag (no Gold live acct) 
It's unrealistic of Bioware to think I'm going to spend $60 in order to play their MP when I don't do MP... And Why would I even want to play new game +, waste another 40+ hrs of my life when I know the 5000+ ending isn't much better.  I should be able to reach 5000+ in single player only on one playthrough. That's what I thought I was paying for.
Very disappointed.

[Shelled]

It's not possible to get anything over 3700 with galactic readiness at 50%.

[bluewolv1970]

nullobject wrote...

 So... did anyone PM QA guy Thomas Abram about this as he requested here? Any response?

TL;DR- We need 4000 EMS to get what most people consider the best ending. This doesn't appear to be possible without MP. So, did BW just consider Synthesis to be the best ending, or is it actually possible to get 4000 EMS without playing MP and we're all just missing something?

That sounds really odd - I specifically recall testing something similar to this early in the new year and all the tests passed. I'm at home for the day but when I get in to work tomorrow I'll take a good hard look (if you want to follow up please do so via PM/seperate thread).

I did - he PM'd back on Sunday saying he would look into it and then I never heard back from him....

[bluewolv1970]

Ibn_Shisha wrote...

Ibn_Shisha wrote...

Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.nowgamer....ry_details.html
"Of course you don’t have to play multiplayer, you can choose to play
all the side-quests in single-player and do all that stuff you’ll
still get all the same endings and same information, it’s just a
totally different way of playing"

Please note, he says "all".  Not just what they consider the best one, or even what most of us consider the "best" one.  In which case, we really should be talking about 5000, not 4000.

exactly - that is 100% undeniable false advertising

[john-in-france]

I trawled through the wiki and there are 6266 points in war assets available to paragon completionist imported ME1 NG+/ME2 NG+ Shepard assuming you continue as a paragon. Plus whatever points you start the game with. The best I've got so far in EMS is 36XX (sorry can't remember the little bit).

Unless the fish count for a few thousand points....not happening.

[Kub666]

john-in-france wrote...
Unless the fish count for a few thousand points....not happening.

They don't.

I wonder how long will it take for Bioware to finally acknowledge this.

[Boudicia_]

Wanted to report I had same response as John-in-france. I sent a pm to Mr. Abram.

[KBomb]

Especially since a majority of the posters in these threads aren't abusive or caustic and just want an answer, I see no reason why they can't.

If it's a bug, acknowledge it and at least say a fix is on the way.

If it was a mistake, then say so and fix your mistake with a patch.

The silence is making me think they planned it like this all along and they're just trying to find the right PR words to sew it together.

They can't even say, “We answered already, refer to the sticky.” You can't refer to it when it's completely wrong and filled with misinformation. It really is ridiculous.

[Ibn_Shisha]

Ibn_Shisha wrote...

Ibn_Shisha wrote...

Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.nowgamer....ry_details.html
"Of course you don’t have to play multiplayer, you can choose to play
all the side-quests in single-player and do all that stuff you’ll
still get all the same endings and same information, it’s just a
totally different way of playing"

Please note, he says "all".  Not just what they consider the best one, or even what most of us consider the "best" one.  In which case, we really should be talking about 5000, not 4000.

Reiterate, and bump.

[Tietj]

This issue really needs to be resolved especially in light of the upcoming extended cut.

[Cratto]

nullobject wrote...

 So... did anyone PM QA guy Thomas Abram about this as he requested here? Any response?

TL;DR- We need 4000 EMS to get what most people consider the best ending. This doesn't appear to be possible without MP. So, did BW just consider Synthesis to be the best ending, or is it actually possible to get 4000 EMS without playing MP and we're all just missing something?

That sounds really odd - I specifically recall testing something similar to this early in the new year and all the tests passed. I'm at home for the day but when I get in to work tomorrow I'll take a good hard look (if you want to follow up please do so via PM/seperate thread).

I posted this on another post.

I've pm'd Abram on this. Basically, I got told that there is enough war assets with the 50%penalty to get to 5000 war assets (so 10000). I've queried him and asked whether he (or anyone from bioware) could release their figures so we can compare, either as a challenge for us to improve or to highlight there's some problem.

He said he'd look into it it.

I did ask if there was a patch coming to turn on/off gaw. My question was ignored.

Feel very second class.

Hopefully they'll be a positive answe.

[Forsythia]

Pfft they won't patch it. They're on the multiplayer bandwagon right now.

[slimgrin]

Grind b*tches, grind your way to the best ending.

[Ravennus]

Cratto wrote...

nullobject wrote...

 So... did anyone PM QA guy Thomas Abram about this as he requested here? Any response?

TL;DR- We need 4000 EMS to get what most people consider the best ending. This doesn't appear to be possible without MP. So, did BW just consider Synthesis to be the best ending, or is it actually possible to get 4000 EMS without playing MP and we're all just missing something?

That sounds really odd - I specifically recall testing something similar to this early in the new year and all the tests passed. I'm at home for the day but when I get in to work tomorrow I'll take a good hard look (if you want to follow up please do so via PM/seperate thread).

I posted this on another post.

I've pm'd Abram on this. Basically, I got told that there is enough war assets with the 50%penalty to get to 5000 war assets (so 10000). I've queried him and asked whether he (or anyone from bioware) could release their figures so we can compare, either as a challenge for us to improve or to highlight there's some problem.

He said he'd look into it it.

I did ask if there was a patch coming to turn on/off gaw. My question was ignored.

Feel very second class.

Hopefully they'll be a positive answe.

I PM'd him as well yesterday with detailed accounts of War Assets and my own personal experience plus links to the datamined info.

Hopefully we'll hear back next week.

Long story short:  Not possible to get 4000, let alone 5000 EMS that he says you can get.

So something is clearly wrong here.


P.S.: It would have been nice if someone asked about this at the PAX panel...... oh well....

[Eragondragonrider]

I doubt this is going to be fixed without DLCs or modding your save game file. I saw a report earlier and it stated that EA has made almost half their money in MP DLC items(item packs) total sales, compared with total game sales. Meaning so far they have made close to 35mil in DLC MP sales since the game released.

[Krogangreetings]

yeah I got the I'll look into it response

[Ravennus]

Fresh from the @MassEffect Twitter:

Jason Potter ‏ @TheJasonPotter
@masseffect any more info on 4000 or 5000 ems no being possible for single player only people?

Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect
@thejasonpotter
We've been told by fans who play only SP that they've achieved that
score! Did you do all planet scanning and side missions?