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[Daramatis]

Gtacatalina wrote...

CG Drum wrote...

Can't believe the other thread was locked!  I think people were feeling that Bioware were ignoring this one so tried to highlight it with a really well written OP in a new thread.  The fact that Bioware have closed that with no comment other than use this one...  why?!

Are we only allowed one?  I am baffled that they can make that comment but not think to put peoples minds at rest by at least acknowledging here, on the thread that they have linked to, what is making us all so unhappy.  Odd and I am now even more frustrated with this situation.

I think this was the thread.


http://social.biowar...dex/10288735/18

Chris Priestly wrote....

We are not lying and will not allow such accusations here.


LOCKDOWN!

I missed the comment about lying, that line isn't there at the moment.

I only hope the same doesn't happen to this thread.

I hope we can all post our concerns and issues constructively so we are heard.

Please?

[Tietj]

The "We aren't lying" comment was from an earlier thread. The most recent one was just an instruction to use this thread instead. However, I agree, let's give Bioware the benefit of the doubt and try to resolve this without accusations.

[Warbuckaz]

lillitheris wrote...

Warbuckaz wrote...

Maybe we need to be really concise in what we are saying so that Bioware and of course these random folks (who are obviously confused about TMS vs. EMS, Flat out lying, or have edited their save) get what we are talking about.


“Without having played MP/IOS/DataApp, “cheating”, or playing NG+ with fish and models, it is NOT possible on the first play-through to achieve 4000 EMS prior to assaulting TIMs’s base Period! ……and probably not the second play-through either

Now, if you can provide some “Tangible proof”, I’m certain we are willing to review it and eat crow, BUT if you cannot produce evidence, please don’t comment.

Someone Bioware, anyone pleaaasseee disprove my statement with proof.

To be even clearer, let's add a glossary:

• TMS: Total Military Score: your war assets score including your fleets, people, and so on.
  
• GR: Galactic Readiness: a percentage describing…whatever. It can be increased by playing multiplayer or using the iOS app. It's 50% if you don't do MP/iOS.
  
• EMS: Effective Military score, which is what's used in the ending: GR percentage of TMS. In other words, if you have 7000 TMS, and a Galactic Readiness of 50%, your EMS is 7000 * 0.5 = 3000.
  
• 4000 EMS: Minimum required for all endings. If you have GR of 50%, you need to have 8000 TMS (8000 * 0.5 = 4000)
  
• 8000 TMS: IMPOSSIBLE.

Great Addition  - Now please someone disprove all that ^^^

[Kitty Fae]

Daramatis wrote...

Gtacatalina wrote...

CG Drum wrote...

Can't believe the other thread was locked!  I think people were feeling that Bioware were ignoring this one so tried to highlight it with a really well written OP in a new thread.  The fact that Bioware have closed that with no comment other than use this one...  why?!

Are we only allowed one?  I am baffled that they can make that comment but not think to put peoples minds at rest by at least acknowledging here, on the thread that they have linked to, what is making us all so unhappy.  Odd and I am now even more frustrated with this situation.

I think this was the thread.


http://social.biowar...dex/10288735/18

Chris Priestly wrote....

We are not lying and will not allow such accusations here.


LOCKDOWN!

I missed the comment about lying, that line isn't there at the moment.

I only hope the same doesn't happen to this thread.

I hope we can all post our concerns and issues constructively so we are heard.

Please?

I totally predicted they would close the thread!

http://social.biowar...1589/3#11348823

Also.. if the OP of the other thread is to be belived, apparently even an NG++ with fish WONT get you 8000 TMS.

Modifié par Kitty Fae, 13 avril 2012 - 04:35 .

[XxXSarenXxX]

Its posible just requires you basically made every single "right choice" in all 3 titles imported a charector and did basically every side quest in all 3 games.

[Krogangreetings]

XxXSarenXxX wrote...

Its posible just requires you basically made every single "right choice" in all 3 titles imported a charector and did basically every side quest in all 3 games.

Nope, again not true

[CDRSkyShepard]

I did everything in the game, even playing chicken with Reapers to make sure I scanned everything, and couldn't get over 3500-3800 EMS. Not TMS, EMS.

I doubled my EMS by sitting on my butt playing 4 hours of multiplayer. (This happens when you reach 100% readiness, because your EMS becomes closer to your TMS based on galactic readiness) So...I did just as much for my EMS in 4 hours of multiplayer as I did in 180+ hours of ME1, ME2, and ME3 SP playthroughs. Am I the only one that thinks this is complete horsehooey?

[zeypher]

It is not possible. The maximum number of assets available ingame is around 7700. So if no multiplayer or ios thingy and with 50% modifier, you fall short of 8000 TMS.

[Warbuckaz]

XxXSarenXxX wrote...

Its posible just requires you basically made every single "right choice" in all 3 titles imported a charector and did basically every side quest in all 3 games.

Again respectfully; prove IT!!!   I've seen the data to prove it isn’t possible where yours proof to say that it is.  This comment is no more creditable then me screaming the moon is green.

[CDRSkyShepard]

Someone needs to sit down with the game and catalog all the assets that can be recovered from the game and what they're worth. That way, we can prove definitively what is and isn't true, versus just going of anecdotal evidence.

[Tietj]

Oh for crying out loud, we've done that!

[Warbuckaz]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Someone needs to sit down with the game and catalog all the assets that can be recovered from the game and what they're worth. That way, we can prove definitively what is and isn't true, versus just going of anecdotal evidence.

@CDRSkyShepard ..This had been done. Does anyone have the link to that spreadsheet listing all War Assets, Modifiers, etc.  If you would be so kind as to list it here for this fine gentleman so that he may to be enlightened.
 
What we haven’t seen is the data from someone who claims to have pulled it off. When asked they seem to vanish.  

Dont misunderstand.  I hope I’m wrong. I want to be wrong. I’m hoping Thomas Abrams or someone else from Bioware drops the data and then says “HA!!!  In your face”

[Kitty Fae]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Someone needs to sit down with the game and catalog all the assets that can be recovered from the game and what they're worth. That way, we can prove definitively what is and isn't true, versus just going of anecdotal evidence.

Some one did.

http://social.biowar...1589/1#11341589

Simply, no, it's not possible, there is no way in hell you can get 8000 TMS without multiplayer or datapad. Nope, NG++++++++++++++++++++++++ and fish WONT get you over 8000, do not pass go, do not collect 200$.

Modifié par Kitty Fae, 13 avril 2012 - 05:02 .

[CG Drum]

Daramatis wrote...

CG Drum wrote...

Tietj wrote...

The other thread on this was locked, which is unfortunate because it had a very well-written original post (no offense to this thread's op). Shows that they are at least reading our posts? I don't know, I'm kind of getting discouraged.

Can't believe the other thread was locked!  I think people were feeling that Bioware were ignoring this one so tried to highlight it with a really well written OP in a new thread.  The fact that Bioware have closed that with no comment other than use this one...  why?!

Are we only allowed one?  I am baffled that they can make that comment but not think to put peoples minds at rest by at least acknowledging here, on the thread that they have linked to, what is making us all so unhappy.  Odd and I am now even more frustrated with this situation.

I was quite surprised too - just discovered the lock.

We can at least refer to the original posting on that locked thread as a great presentation of the issue I suppose.

Perhaps one thread makes it easier to review comments and numbers of people with the issue - more traffic here keeps it higher in the rankings?

No idea though, just hazarding a guess.  I have to say the rather abrupt "please use... LOCKDOWN", was rather jarring and a bit like a slap in the face with a cold kipper.

Sigh.

On a positive though, at least the postings were noticed!

I can understand that they want to keep all the comments together but the problem is their lack of response to this issue. 

The more it is, seemingly, ignored the more frustrated people are getting. 

Now it could well be that this thread is being closely monitored and that Bioware are sorting it out for us (please let this be true!) in which case they could easily cool the subject by just posting on here that that is the case.

But all I have seen them do so far is close another thread on the subject without comment.  That doesn't inspire confidence for me that this issue will actually be resolved.

[EHondaMashButton]

Need to get a hold of the OP to copy paste that breakdown and proof in the first post

Modifié par EHondaMashButton, 13 avril 2012 - 05:40 .

[AGoodGeek]

Does anyone have the Collectors Edition Strategy Guide? Does it give any details about Asset numbers and how to get the best ending without multiplayer, I'm just curious.

Jarret Lee should be able to answer the question of exactly how many War Assets there are in single player. Has he posted any other information elsewhere on the web? Better yet has ANY Bioware representative stated or confirmed on this or any other internet source how may War Assets there are in Single Player?

[bluewolv1970]

and people are shocked that the BBB concluded that Bioware falsely advertised...This issue is out and out fraud, because no where on the game box does it say that you need an internet connection and an xbox live gold account to access some of the SINGLE PLAYER features...and yet you do need those things...

[Tietj]

@TempShark Yes, Thomas Abram has stated that it is possible to get 4000 EMS in single player alone, as has the official Twitter account. Neither of them has offered any idea of how to get it though.

Off topic, but @EHondaMashButton I love your avatar, any chance I could get the face code for that?

[bluewolv1970]

XxXSarenXxX wrote...

Its posible just requires you basically made every single "right choice" in all 3 titles imported a charector and did basically every side quest in all 3 games.

So PS3 players cannot using your logic - which, by the way is wrong....there ARE NOT ENOUGHT ASSETS IN  THE GAME PERIOD. datamine the files yourself if you do not believe it

[Warbuckaz]

All this time I just assumed due to the shear number of posts created daily, Bioware just overlooked the ones concerning EMS (I know naïve but hopeful). The fact the post in reference was closed and this one was mentioned is kind of irritating. It proves Bioware just doesn’t want to or feel the need to comment on this issue at this time……other than to close them obviously.

[Warbuckaz]

Tietj wrote...

@TempShark Yes, Thomas Abram has stated that it is possible to get 4000 EMS in single player alone, as has the official Twitter account. Neither of them has offered any idea of how to get it though.

Off topic, but @EHondaMashButton I love your avatar, any chance I could get the face code for that?

To be perfectly honest it is true from a certain point of view. This is why I think we should stick with saying TMS of 8000 or  4000 EMS "prior to the Assault Cerberus Base mission" is not possible. Saying 4000 EMS in SP is not possible presents a possible loophole.

[Faceless Minion]

XxXSarenXxX wrote...

Its posible just requires you basically made every single "right choice" in all 3 titles imported a charector and did basically every side quest in all 3 games.

Maybe you just don't know how to do math.
Or read.

[Faceless Minion]

Tietj wrote...

@TempShark Yes, Thomas Abram has stated that it is possible to get 4000 EMS in single player alone, as has the official Twitter account. Neither of them has offered any idea of how to get it though.

They've said LOTS of things that have been patently untrue.  So what does that matter?

[Kub666]

So the other thread was locked... There was some good info there though, written by 
secretidentity, so let me just copy it here (in case someone else haven't done it 20 pages ago...):

Instead of relying on anectotal evidence I have simply datamined the games code to gather a complete list of every war asset within the game. The blanket totals without factoring in mutually exclusive assets and decisions are thus:

Alien: 1000
Alliance: 1881
Asari: 668
Crucible: 915
Ex-Cerberus: 260
Geth: 820
Krogan: 925
Quarian: 830
Salarian: 433
Turian: 638

TOTAL: 8370

Now before you say "well there you are then, over 8000. Nothing more to see here.", these numbers are too high, requiring such things as both Kaiden and Ashley to be alive and simultaneously rescuing the council and letting them die in ME1. There's also mutually exclusive events within ME3 itself, some  minor some not so minor. After studying the numbers I have found the optimized path for getting the absolute highest possible number of war assets even if it forces you to play like a shizophrenic looney. Here it is, the highest war assets score you can achieve.

Alien: 1000
Alliance: 1701
Asari: 668
Crucible: 815
Ex-Cerberus: 260
Geth: 815 OR 665
Krogan: 795
Quarian: 675 OR 825
Salarian: 338
Turian: 633

TOTAL: 7700

There are two values for the quarians and the geth because one of them has to take a 150 penalty, it doesn't matter which.

Without multiplayer you cannot get above 7700 war assets. 

But don't just take my word for it. See for yourself, here's the war asset data ripped directly from the game:http://pastebin.com/hRks27wB (warning, potential heavy spoilers).

Modifié par Kub666, 13 avril 2012 - 06:18 .

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

One minute late.

Modifié par Kakita Tatsumaru, 13 avril 2012 - 06:19 .