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Can you REALLY get 4000+ EMS points without Multiplayer?


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I suspect that to be charitable T. Abrahms is including the 1000 pts a sufficiently high reputation score gets you post Cerberus base. In which case the question is can we get >5000 for the Easter egg scenes as all the ending guides are working on 4000 + making the reputation check.

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Another day without a response. Figures.

And while the apps are an alternative, it would be better if they'd just release those on Android/WP7 or even PC/Mac too. There is no reason for those apps to be only on iOS devices.

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I think we need to change tactics. Remembering the goal is 8000+ points these are the Total Military Strength points for the four playthroughs I've completed so far:

7119 (As of after the Cerberus Base mission)
7112* (As of after the Cerberus Base mission)
6797* (As of after the Cerberus Base mission)
5896 (As of just before the Cerberus Base mission)

All four are imported Shepards that have completed the first and second game. All four have done all N7 missions and most if not all of the available fetch quests/planet scanning quests. All four have made very varying choices and decisions throughout the three games. The two starred figures used the tactic to drop the needed points from 5k to 4k points at the end game and chose the destroy option.

The 6797 figure got the breath ending, the 7112 figure did not. The difference between them was that the latter was at the static 50% Galactic Rating Readiness and the former was at 75% since I played some multiplayer in between.

Numbers don't lie, it obviously follows that had the 6797 figure been at 50% GRR, the breath ending wouldn't have unlocked since that's the only difference between the two. This proves there is no additional 1000 bonus points for making that decision at the end, it's definitely a reduction in the needed threshold from 5k to 4k.

Ok, tl,dr: At least in my game I absolutely definitely need a minimum of 8000 TMS points if my GRR is at 50% ,i.e., sticking only to the single player game, and as you can see, I got nowhere near that on any of my playthroughs. 

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@Freler31 Cheers for the multiple playthroughs it always helps to have more evidence that >8000 is impossible in SP alone. Be prepared to bash you brains out on your keyboard though when in 3 posts you're told that you needed NG+ and 'fish'......

Thomas Abrams from great hope to great flop in 7 short days.Seriously more arguments from authority? 'I did it' is not an explanation or even an answer, it's a dismissal. The snarky tone of his comments on closing the mega thread they consigned to the spoiler forums is insightful. How is this thread any more spoiler free than that one? Expect this to get shunted to the 'waiting room for locking' soon.

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Have just sent a message to Mr Abrams directly in the hope for some help, wrote the following...

"Hi

Could you please help - have seen that you closed a thread by stating that 4000+ is possible in the SP game.

Is there any chance you could expand on this and post on the thread you referred us to (which is now well over 45 pages long!) with an explanation of how.

Personally I've not yet managed it despite several attempts and know I am not alone with this. We are all desperate for a Bioware resonse detailing how to do this via the SP game only. You could make a lot of players/customers very happy by resolving this for us with a clear explanation of how to do it.

Many thanks for you time."

Fingers crossed.....

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merrick97 wrote...

I really wish people would quit LYING about this. It is impossible to get 4000 without multiplayer. It has been dissected and proven over and over again.


Yes, I imported ME1/ME2, did every quest possible, got both Geth and Quarians and Krogans and still managed to get only 3700 without multiplayer.

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CG Drum wrote...

Have just sent a message to Mr Abrams directly in the hope for some help, wrote the following...

"Hi

Could you please help - have seen that you closed a thread by stating that 4000+ is possible in the SP game.

Is there any chance you could expand on this and post on the thread you referred us to (which is now well over 45 pages long!) with an explanation of how.

Personally I've not yet managed it despite several attempts and know I am not alone with this. We are all desperate for a Bioware resonse detailing how to do this via the SP game only. You could make a lot of players/customers very happy by resolving this for us with a clear explanation of how to do it.

Many thanks for you time."

Fingers crossed.....


Nice

I don't think we'll get the answer we want or deserve but no harm in trying

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Krogangreetings wrote...

CG Drum wrote...

Have just sent a message to Mr Abrams directly in the hope for some help, wrote the following...

"Hi

Could you please help - have seen that you closed a thread by stating that 4000+ is possible in the SP game.

Is there any chance you could expand on this and post on the thread you referred us to (which is now well over 45 pages long!) with an explanation of how.

Personally I've not yet managed it despite several attempts and know I am not alone with this. We are all desperate for a Bioware resonse detailing how to do this via the SP game only. You could make a lot of players/customers very happy by resolving this for us with a clear explanation of how to do it.

Many thanks for you time."

Fingers crossed.....


Nice

I don't think we'll get the answer we want or deserve but no harm in trying


Wel when he locked the other thread he wrote "If you have any questions, concerns or comments you can PM me.
" and let's be honest we all have the same question.  Perhaps what we all need to do is actual do what he asks us to , all send PMs asking for a detailed summary of how to reach 4000 EMS in SP only. 

I honestly have no idea where else to go other than that.

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These Bioware employees sure do lie a lot, and in such a blatant verifiable way...

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can someone post their game code for me? I want to take a look it something.

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Getting the best achievement is possible without multiplayer, but you will still have to play the IOS games to do it. And you need X-Box live, Origin, or whatever the PS3 people have for online play. And since I can't go online at my house, I can't get the highest EMS. And the Datapad game is superiorly time consuming.

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I asked if TMS of 8000/ 4000 EMS prior to the assualt on cerberus base was possible w/o all external multiplier increasing method. I got and I quote a flat out "Yep". i forgot to ask if you had to follow as specific path. So maybe someone else can ask that question. It has been hinted at that a final choice while talking to the illusive man grants you and additional 1000 ( i dont know if thats actually 2000 *.05 = 1000 or 1000 *.05 = 500). I asked so hopefully i can give you guys some clarification on this. I'm hoping there is another choice like this one we just arent aware of.

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Warbuckaz wrote...

I asked if TMS of 8000/ 4000 EMS prior to the assualt on cerberus base was possible w/o all external multiplier increasing method. I got and I quote a flat out "Yep". i forgot to ask if you had to follow as specific path. So maybe someone else can ask that question. It has been hinted at that a final choice while talking to the illusive man grants you and additional 1000 ( i dont know if thats actually 2000 *.05 = 1000 or 1000 *.05 = 500). I asked so hopefully i can give you guys some clarification on this. I'm hoping there is another choice like this one we just arent aware of.


That is 100% not possible under any circumstances playing the retail version...so either the version Thomas Abram tested on has different values or Bioware is intentionally misleading...

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Forsythia wrote...

Another day without a response. Figures.

And while the apps are an alternative, it would be better if they'd just release those on Android/WP7 or even PC/Mac too. There is no reason for those apps to be only on iOS devices.


Abram said that he was busy and would get around to investigating in a couple of weeks. It has only been a couple of days since he said that.

And the Abram post I quoted from earlier seems to be from a different thread that he locked.

The man is investigating the issue. If he insists that it is possible to get 4,000 EMS, then odds are the copy that Bioware is using to prove this is from a different build than the launch version and he doesn't know this. Being rude to him is not going to help get this fixed.

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lrrose wrote...

Forsythia wrote...

Another day without a response. Figures.

And while the apps are an alternative, it would be better if they'd just release those on Android/WP7 or even PC/Mac too. There is no reason for those apps to be only on iOS devices.


Abram said that he was busy and would get around to investigating in a couple of weeks. It has only been a couple of days since he said that.

And the Abram post I quoted from earlier seems to be from a different thread that he locked.

The man is investigating the issue. If he insists that it is possible to get 4,000 EMS, then odds are the copy that Bioware is using to prove this is from a different build than the launch version and he doesn't know this. Being rude to him is not going to help get this fixed.


agreed - he has been at least willing to talk with us, which is a 10000% more than anyone else has...I am starting to think the Bioware version and the retail version have different values somewhere and that is causing the problem...What would be most helpful would be if Mr. Abram could take the list of values gamers compiled and comare it to the version he tested on - the discrepency should be easy to notice...  

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I wish that Bioware would release a full war asset list. If they were willing to explain how the Hold the Line mechanics in the Suicide Mission worked, then they shouldn't be worried about explaining this.

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I also agree..and suspect the reason he doesnt or hasnt posted here thus far is because some of you would attempt to rip him a new one. lol

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bluewolv1970 wrote...

lrrose wrote...

Forsythia wrote...

Another day without a response. Figures.

And while the apps are an alternative, it would be better if they'd just release those on Android/WP7 or even PC/Mac too. There is no reason for those apps to be only on iOS devices.


Abram said that he was busy and would get around to investigating in a couple of weeks. It has only been a couple of days since he said that.

And the Abram post I quoted from earlier seems to be from a different thread that he locked.

The man is investigating the issue. If he insists that it is possible to get 4,000 EMS, then odds are the copy that Bioware is using to prove this is from a different build than the launch version and he doesn't know this. Being rude to him is not going to help get this fixed.


agreed - he has been at least willing to talk with us, which is a 10000% more than anyone else has...I am starting to think the Bioware version and the retail version have different values somewhere and that is causing the problem...What would be most helpful would be if Mr. Abram could take the list of values gamers compiled and comare it to the version he tested on - the discrepency should be easy to notice...  



I'm starting to lose confidence though because looking at a timeline of responses, it looks like the response "looking into it in a few weeks", came before more recent "yes, 4,000 EMS is possible".

If my reading of the chain of replies is correct, then if the most recent answer is "yes" (as on the closure of another thread), this implies no real issue exists, in the eyes of Bioware, otherwise it would be more prudent to reiterate and expand upon the earlier reply of - "on the face of it it is possible, but we will be looking to this in more detail in a few weeks."

A definitieve "yes" kinda draws a line under it, as far as I read it.

Sigh.

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CG Drum wrote...

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Does anyone have the Collectors Edition Strategy Guide? Does it give any details about Asset numbers and how to get the best ending without multiplayer, I'm just curious.

Jarret Lee should be able to answer the question of exactly how many War Assets there are in single player. Has he posted any other information elsewhere on the web? Better yet has ANY Bioware representative stated or confirmed on this or any other internet source how may War Assets there are in Single Player?


Yeah I have the Collectors guide and War Assests aren't even listed in the index!  certainly can't find a list of them or even any idea what you would get for each mission.



Hi CG.

You are right, there is no comprehensive list of War Assets in the guide, though my guide has a list of War Assets one can gain under which conditions, on the mission briefing pages - but no values are attached.  These small lists don't cover every asset available though, so nope, not every asset is covered in the guide.

Oh, and good luck with your pm.

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Modifié par Daramatis, 14 avril 2012 - 03:30 .


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Daramatis wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...

lrrose wrote...

Forsythia wrote...

Another day without a response. Figures.

And while the apps are an alternative, it would be better if they'd just release those on Android/WP7 or even PC/Mac too. There is no reason for those apps to be only on iOS devices.


Abram said that he was busy and would get around to investigating in a couple of weeks. It has only been a couple of days since he said that.

And the Abram post I quoted from earlier seems to be from a different thread that he locked.

The man is investigating the issue. If he insists that it is possible to get 4,000 EMS, then odds are the copy that Bioware is using to prove this is from a different build than the launch version and he doesn't know this. Being rude to him is not going to help get this fixed.


agreed - he has been at least willing to talk with us, which is a 10000% more than anyone else has...I am starting to think the Bioware version and the retail version have different values somewhere and that is causing the problem...What would be most helpful would be if Mr. Abram could take the list of values gamers compiled and comare it to the version he tested on - the discrepency should be easy to notice...  



I'm starting to lose confidence though because looking at a timeline of responses, it looks like the response "looking into it in a few weeks", came before more recent "yes, 4,000 EMS is possible".

If my reading of the chain of replies is correct, then if the most recent answer is "yes" (as on the closure of another thread), this implies no real issue exists, in the eyes of Bioware, otherwise it would be more prudent to reiterate and expand upon the earlier reply of - "on the face of it it is possible, but we will be looking to this in more detail in a few weeks."

A definitieve "yes" kinda draws a line under it, as far as I read it.

Sigh.


but again, if his values are different then he would get different results - comparing the two lists of assets should be pretty easy to do and would expose the difference rather quickly...  

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bluewolv1970 wrote...

Daramatis wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...

lrrose wrote...

Forsythia wrote...

Another day without a response. Figures.

And while the apps are an alternative, it would be better if they'd just release those on Android/WP7 or even PC/Mac too. There is no reason for those apps to be only on iOS devices.


Abram said that he was busy and would get around to investigating in a couple of weeks. It has only been a couple of days since he said that.

And the Abram post I quoted from earlier seems to be from a different thread that he locked.

The man is investigating the issue. If he insists that it is possible to get 4,000 EMS, then odds are the copy that Bioware is using to prove this is from a different build than the launch version and he doesn't know this. Being rude to him is not going to help get this fixed.


agreed - he has been at least willing to talk with us, which is a 10000% more than anyone else has...I am starting to think the Bioware version and the retail version have different values somewhere and that is causing the problem...What would be most helpful would be if Mr. Abram could take the list of values gamers compiled and comare it to the version he tested on - the discrepency should be easy to notice...  



I'm starting to lose confidence though because looking at a timeline of responses, it looks like the response "looking into it in a few weeks", came before more recent "yes, 4,000 EMS is possible".

If my reading of the chain of replies is correct, then if the most recent answer is "yes" (as on the closure of another thread), this implies no real issue exists, in the eyes of Bioware, otherwise it would be more prudent to reiterate and expand upon the earlier reply of - "on the face of it it is possible, but we will be looking to this in more detail in a few weeks."

A definitieve "yes" kinda draws a line under it, as far as I read it.

Sigh.


but again, if his values are different then he would get different results - comparing the two lists of assets should be pretty easy to do and would expose the difference rather quickly...  



Oh, don't get me wrong, I totally understand that there may be a difference (though does bring other questions to mind), but the language one uses is very important - to say "it is achievable", definitively, rather than "it is my experience it is achievable but to be certain we'll double check", will induce different results in the reader.

Language and implied tone are are so important in text-based communications.  But thank you for the clarification and the attempt to bolster my hope, much appreciated.  Image IPB

Modifié par Daramatis, 14 avril 2012 - 03:39 .


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I don't understand one thing.
They should have a list with all War Assets right?

Just show it to us (in ME3 spoilers subforum) and we will find out what is wrong.
Saying "it's possible" without any base/list/proof is as good as our "it's not possible".

This thread is already 47 pages, we can disscuss it forever unless you (Bioware Devs) provide us with a clue/list or anything...

Please help us. Thank you!

EDIT: Hit Enter too soon ;) and spelling

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After multiple playthrus (yeah and working on ME1 AGAIN to import to ME2);
there are FOUR systems with MassEffect relays that are NOT accessible (yet?).
Also in ONE game on the squad screen a FOURTH no-name squad mate showed up, 0 health and power blank and LOCKED; only happened once so far.
Maybe? BW ha$ a DLC that unlock$ these, dunno know. I do know that I have NEVER reached 8,000/4,000 as single player, 7,500ish max. I will see what happens with my current ME1 game AFTER reading the spoilers in the (poorly edited) CE guide.

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McGrzegorz wrote...

I don't understand one thing.
They should have a list with all War Assets right?

Just show it to us (in ME3 spoilers subforum) and we will find out what is wrong.
Saying "it's possible" without any base/list/proof is as good as our "it's not possible".


This. So much this.

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AlanC9 wrote...

McGrzegorz wrote...

I don't understand one thing.
They should have a list with all War Assets right?

Just show it to us (in ME3 spoilers subforum) and we will find out what is wrong.
Saying "it's possible" without any base/list/proof is as good as our "it's not possible".


This. So much this.


exactly - it is not like the problem is subjective, it flat out comes down to math and so should be easy to solve...