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[EagleScoutDJB]

I've been wondering how this game got so many perfect and near perfect scores for a few days. The biggest problems for me were the horrid journal and 2 of the biggest moments in the game being recycled from the first game. I don't know how any reviewer could over look these problems and still be called objective.

[Mr-Snrub]

dbollendorf wrote...

I've been wondering how this game got so many perfect and near perfect scores for a few days. The biggest problems for me were the horrid journal and 2 of the biggest moments in the game being recycled from the first game. I don't know how any reviewer could over look these problems and still be called objective.

Couldn't agree more.

[stonbw1]

ManualReplica wrote...

Haven't you heard?
Dumbing down is the next generation gaming!11one

In two years games will be released with a "auto mode" that will automaticaly do everything for the player with the press of a button, like a movie!

Wasn't there something like this in DA2, wherein the first 10 mins of the game, you could choose alignment (though, I think it was more like sarcastic/serious leaning, moreso than typical "good/evil")?

[nikki191]

i will say its been a while since ive needed to go old school with a game and have to write my own quest journal with pen and paper to keep track of quests. how they managed to screw up a basic game mechanic that was working in previous games is beyond me.

[BlacJAC74]

Yup, the ending malarkey has been a blessing in disguise for BioWare. In fact, you've got to wonder why most people are complaining about the ending when there's larger issues within the game.

[EagleScoutDJB]

TigW wrote...

My first post and probably the last, sorry I just have to vent... Please don't read if you don't like Ashley character, you won't understand...

So what the hell happened to interactions with love interests or NPCs? This crucial element was simply cut off! In favor of what, multiplayer, Liara cannon or those expensive tho useless cinematics? I really don't care about banal "saving the galaxy" and "uniting races" themes. All I care about is my crew, those that I take into every mission or have romances with.

I'm huge Ashley fan, I remained faithful to her in ME2, had to endure heartbreaking scene in Horizon, then she came back in ME3, and suddenly was taken out from half of the game! All these years waiting for my Ash to come back and you do this Bioware??? Ok nvm, she recovered and all was fine till I brought her back to Normandy. Then she remained in her room through the rest of the game, like some generic npc or an extra! The hell? She didn't even talk to me after Thessia when I needed support the most! Very believable romance here, Bioware! :/

I know that most love interests got short end of the stick but out of those from ME1 Ashley got the shortest. Even Kaiden has more dialogue/cutscenes! Why Bioware? Is it cos Ashley fans aren't vocal enough? Is it cos Ash isn't bi? Seriously you even try to tarnish her reputation, so those that don't romance her, think that she's xenophobic, racist ****! Great treatment Bioware!

Seriously I can't even replay the game cos of this, too darn painfull to see how Ashley or even Kaiden are being treated. And I don't even care about the endings. Game was ruined before that.

I know what you mean about a month ago I went back and replayed 1 and 2,  I romanced Ashley in the first one and stayed loyal in the second, because she's the one I romanced the vary first time I played Mass Effect.  And then we get to 3 where people that don't even join your crew get more dialog then one of your potential LI, that's BS.  This alone didn't ruin the series, and yes I mean series not game, for me but when combined with the ending it did.

[EagleScoutDJB]

BlacJAC74 wrote...

Yup, the ending malarkey has been a blessing in disguise for BioWare. In fact, you've got to wonder why most people are complaining about the ending when there's larger issues within the game.

Because a good ending can hide a lot, and most of us were waiting till the ending to make up our minds about the game.  And then we got there and the ending was so bad it took a few days to remember the other problems we saw throughout the game.

[Grasich]

tbh I wouldn't be surprised if they plan on releasing a TON of those things as DLC later.

[100k]

XqctaX wrote...

im to lazy to add atm. its late and im tired. but i wanna thank you for writing what i have been thinking about the last week. the hole game seems shallow compared to previous games and to what was told by PR-stuff

Could not have put it better myself.

The whole game seems almost like a series "redo".

Udina and the Council are different characters altogether. Shepard is more emotional (yea!!!) but is forced into being more emotional (booo!!!). The deus ex machina means that there's an instant conflict resolution not found in the previous games. The list goes on and on.

All in all I'm very dissapointed. 

[Mole267]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Mole267 wrote...

I am playing Mass Effect 1 right now, and I am just floored by how much there is to it. It's such a rich game, you can equip all kinds of different armor and weapons and customize them, you have an awesome rover-tank that you can land on planets with and go exploring, and the Citadel is HUGE in ME1. It also has more RPG elements than ME2 and 3. ME2 and 3 focused more on combat, but that made it a pretty fun and fast-paced game too. ME1 is definitely slower paced, and that doesn't appeal to everyone. Probably why ME1 is an 8 on critic reviews, while 2 and 3 are 9.

ME2 was amazing, and I put more time into it than I did ME1. I actually appreciated how streamlined everything was in ME2, but yeah they did cut more corners in ME3. If they'd delayed it another year to make it even better, I wouldn't have minded at all.

Just for sake of argument.  Which RPG elements does it have that are lacking in 2 and 3? How is it NOT focused on combat?

Granted ME 2 and 3 were  more streamlined of course, not arguing that, but i felt it was for the better honestly, it seems to me that ME1 had some GREAT ideas that were never fully actualized and thus it just seemed to lack ina  lot of areas,

Still an awesome game though

I didn't say ME1 wasn't focused on combat. It IS very combat-oriented, but when you go to level up there is a LOT of stuff you can put your points into. There is more grinding and looting as well, which makes it more RPG-oriented. It seemed like ME2 and 3 didn't focus as much on grinding and looting, but rather your level up as the game progresses. Unfortunately, the level cap in ME1 is  20 or 30 (can't remember exactly), so it's not possible to max them all out, which makes you have to choose what you want. I've maxed out assault rifles and sniper rifles so far. Maxed out Intimidate, and working on maxing out Spectre. In comparision ME2 and 3 have far less to choose from with ability trees, because they were pretty much condensed. Funny enough, they increased the level cap in ME2 and 3. They did bring back weapon customizing in ME3, which was a very welcome feature.

[MrRiadon]

I realized...

Lack of hub worlds

Bad graphics

Waaay too many fetch-quests

too short

no visible consequence for actions (other than a number that hardly matters)

Not many squadmates

Shepard's dancing

Stupid reaper minigame

Game starts out slow

Most ME2 squadmates get filler roles

Auto-dialog

Lack of interrupts/special dialog

Bad controls (for PC atleast, don't know about console)

Multiplayer is required for best "endings"

Many imports make little difference

Horrible journal

Wrex isn't squademate:crying:

Not enough Harbinger

Jessica Chobot

Tali's picture

Day one DLC

A  few more things I could come up with given more time....

---Good game but far from perfect.

Modifié par MrRiadon, 27 mars 2012 - 12:16 .

[Dragonfable of Dain]

Now I'm even more sad...... I didn't think it was possible.

[Aesieru]

Assets, Continuity, Choices, Survival none of that matters.

[mutermath]

I agree with you OP, and some other things you probably forgot to mention( I cant recall atm).
Thats why people shock me when they say the game has been perfect till the ending, then I think to myself was I expecting so much from the game?
Glad to know am not the only one.

[Team Value]

I do think that the endings overshadow the other faults in the game, but the rest of the game has it's share of them. The Crucible is right up there with killing/resurrecting Shepard in ME2 as an awful plot device. It might have been forgivable if the payoff had been worth it, but...

I also thought that the quarians attacking the geth with their magic techno babble that made the geth so desperate that they surrendered their independence to the reapers (even though Legion explained at length that most of the geth rejected the reapers' ideology) was quite dumb.

And that last mission...I hated it. I actually reduced the difficulty to casual (which is something I never do) just to get through it already. Did they really think that people wanted to end the series with a boring slog through a grimy, rubble-strewn cityscape against endless swarms of annoying enemies?

Modifié par Team Value, 27 mars 2012 - 01:41 .

[Mr-Snrub]

Team Value wrote...

I do think that the endings overshadow the other faults in the game, but the rest of the game has it's share of them. The Crucible is right up there with killing/resurrecting Shepard in ME2 as an awful plot device. It might have been forgivable if the payoff had been worth it, but...

I also thought that the quarians attacking the geth with their magic techno babble that made the geth so desperate that they surrendered their independence to the reapers (even though Legion explained at length that most of the geth rejected the reapers' ideology) was quite dumb.

And that last mission...I hated it. I actually reduced the difficulty to casual (which is something I never do) just to get through it already. Did they really think that people wanted to end the series with a boring slog through a grimy, rubble-strewn cityscape against endless swarms of annoying enemies?

I have the same feeling Team Value. That last build-up (like most of the game) had too much combat. Don't get me wrong I love the ME3 combat system, but I think they put way too much into this game, not enough RPG / dialogue. Another example of corners being cut. At least ME2 had a decent combat system (and much more combat overall mind you) but a good amount of RPG elements.

[DangerousPuddy]

mutermath wrote...

I agree with you OP, and some other things you probably forgot to mention( I cant recall atm).
Thats why people shock me when they say the game has been perfect till the ending, then I think to myself was I expecting so much from the game?
Glad to know am not the only one.

Yes, so much more needed to be addressed.

Honestly, for what they DID include for the most part it was decent (despite the things I had listed) but those + in general much more content was to be addressed was the main issue.

I find it troubling that this was the shortest development cycle of all three games (really? the crowning jewel in the series?) and I personally believe it was due to EA wanting to get sales out ASAP.

A summer or hell even Fall/Winter 2012 release would have given it MUCH more content and polish (deserving of the franchise) and probobly a good ending...

Maybe a perfect 10 from some places like Uncharted3...but they blew it.

[reehdus]

DangerousPuddy wrote...

Promise: More RPG elements
Reality: To anyone who says the customization was vastly improved compared to ME2 is lying. I personally hate having huge inventories of weapons, armor, items and the classical RPG jazz. I am more of a COD player, but I was looking forward to some weapon customizations and powers. Combat is such that it hardly makes a difference and it is restricted to the same upgrades with different %'s. Furthermore, this is still an RPG game right...how did quest updates, map locations get REMOVED from the game. 

fixed

[The Fan]

The corner cuts make me sad.

[lazuli]

DangerousPuddy wrote...

Promise: More RPG elements
Reality: To anyone who says the customization was vastly improved compared to ME2 is lying. I personally hate having huge inventories of weapons, armor, items and the classical RPG jazz. I am more of a streamlinied player, but I was looking forward to some weapon customizations and powers. Combat is such that it hardly makes a difference and it is restricted to the same upgrades with different %'s.

While I'm not sure customization has been improved, it has been... extended.  There is a larger number of possible character builds and loadouts than we got in ME2, although I'm not sure that's a good thing.  It seems inevitable that when more builds appear, balance suffers.  The developers understood that Vanguards should not be Charging every ~2 seconds in ME2.  They recognized the power that Charge had, and limited its cooldowns accordingly, even to the point of it being unaffected by biotic cooldown reduction research.

And then there's Nova, which is just preposterous.

[translationninja]

seriously, after having calmed down after all the hubbub and aggravation and agitation now I just feel like I got bait'n'switched for 80 bucks by som gipsy on the corner.....it's so sad really...

[starscreamerx31]

I agree ti me the lack of charater dialogue( dialogue wheel) was real weak. Side missions didnt feel like they amounted to nothing. The major rachni decision amounted to nothing in me3 the journal took a step back. Ending was terrible, and this is by far the buggiest if all the mass effect games

[CARL_DF90]

Good points to be sure. Worth some consideration.

[Mr. MannlyMan]

It's weird... a lot of the people whom I've heard complain about the ending tend to say things like, "the rest of the game is perfect, though!" or "everything was awesome... until dat ending!".

You have to wonder whether they really mean that, or if they just feel so sorry for Bioware after the whole ending fiasco that they're afraid to poke at the other issues present within the game. I feel as though people are just more forgiving of ME3's faults on the whole, because the outcry over the ending has already been so overwhelming and so detrimental to Bioware' image...

Even if the endings were completely overhauled and widely differentiated in the future, I can't say I'd be one to let all of these other issues slide.

Modifié par Mr. MannlyMan, 27 mars 2012 - 04:36 .