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[ericjdev]

Vikali wrote...

Mesmurae wrote...

This doesn't surprise me at all. Bioware is already locking threads that Retake Mass Effect has been using for information.

I'm starting to care less about them fixing the ending to Mass Effect, and instead I feel like giving up on them as a whole. Other developers are clearly willing to work harder for my money.

If you believe this horse ****, you're better off just leaving them at the door. and I'm sure Retake doesn't want people who spread and believe outright lies like this.

This

[CheeseEnchilada]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

Priss Blackburne wrote...

No Charity wants to be linked to anything that would be considered a controversy. I for one am kind of happy, it was nice at beginning but this is just getting kinda uglier as time goes on so I think it's for the best.

If you think about it, it was never really nice. It was never about the kids, it was about a group of people complaining about a video game and waving around money trying to, in short, bully a company into complying.

Charity is about the act itself, it's because you want to do it or you feel compelled to do it. Not because you want to do it as leverage to make someone/something do something you want them to do.

Except not all of us felt that way. I know for myself and many others it wasn't about the ending at all. It was taking all those negative emotions we felt from the ending and putting it into perspective while doing something good. So yes, for some of us, it was about the kids. 

[katamuro]

hmm, for some reason the whole chipin site is not loading for me.
And yeah I do find it strange that someone would put enough pressure on charity to ask us to pipe down on this. I am not saying anyone we "know" did it, but I dont think we made any bad press for charity by donating. Or have I missed something?
While the closing of the charity is not a conspiracy as $80,000 was reached, the whole statement about "several sources assuming" what kind of sources they have to be so that a charity gets worried?

[DentedHalo]

Mesmurae wrote...

This doesn't surprise me at all. Bioware is already locking threads that Retake Mass Effect has been using for information.

I'm starting to care less about them fixing the ending to Mass Effect, and instead I feel like giving up on them as a whole. Other developers are clearly willing to work harder for my money.

they have not been closing threads because we support Retake, they have been closing them because they were offensive... some of the posts have been totally over the line and thats why the threads have been locked... plenty of threads still exist where people have remained civil... this thread will almost certainly get closed for making totally baseless accusations...

[SpiritReaver72]

Guys we could still donate to Child's Play even if its not in the retake movements name. i think the classiest thing for retake to do is post a link for Child's Play and encourage people to donate. If we are indeed doing this to help kids, I did, then we don't need the recognition. The kids can still get their money and we can still do a good thing.

[Dethead123]

You all are making me facepalm so badly. This has nothing to do with EA/BW the money raised was capped because the charity wanted to be neutral and they were being lumped in with the retake movement. The charity doesn't give a damn about either side they just want to help these kids. The level of drama both sides are creating for this charity is ridiculous.

[Vikali]

Asclepus wrote...

antony1197 wrote...

Look regardless of your opinion of bioware/EA, they are not that stupid there is no way in hell they would ever go that far and thats saying something

Let me see if I can put this a diffferrentt way without offending the majority of people here. Bioware and it's management is scared. They are angry. What they thought was going to be the best received game of all time hasn't done it. Sales are down, negative pressure is up from the top down. I am not saying that they shut down the charity to deny us an ally, but scared and frightened people do irrational things. Somthing could have been said through back channels.

What I am saying is that it should be looked at, notshouted from the clifftops. If they did it, then they massively screwed up and it gives us more leverage, If they didn't, no skin off our nose, but at least we considered the possibility. It's simply convenient that Child's Play cut it off, whether planned or nopt. I never once heard anything  about reaching some arbitrary limit here. I never believe in concidences, and that is what I am saying.

So, then you believe the people who openly attack the charity near every day on the forums, and the people who mock the whole ME3 community who aren't even a part of it aren't suspects? Please, don't go into law.

[Priss Blackburne]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

Priss Blackburne wrote...

No Charity wants to be linked to anything that would be considered a controversy. I for one am kind of happy, it was nice at beginning but this is just getting kinda uglier as time goes on so I think it's for the best.

If you think about it, it was never really nice. It was never about the kids, it was about a group of people complaining about a video game and waving around money trying to, in short, bully a company into complying.

Charity is about the act itself, it's because you want to do it or you feel compelled to do it. Not because you want to do it as leverage to make someone/something do something you want them to do.

That's why I said Kinda Nice. It was nice in the sense that I was donating to a Charity I liked for a cause I beleived in. But more of a Wanted Bioware to listen to us not force them to do what we want in my mind.

But it did rub me as something that wasn't in the spirit of Childs play. Gabe and Tycho deliberatly distanced themselves from Childs play so the comic would not in any way be assoiciated with Childs play. I didn't feel right to associate this with childs play in my mind.

[CheeseEnchilada]

SpiritReaver72 wrote...

Guys we could still donate to Child's Play even if its not in the retake movements name. i think the classiest thing for retake to do is post a link for Child's Play and encourage people to donate. If we are indeed doing this to help kids, I did, then we don't need the recognition. The kids can still get their money and we can still do a good thing.

Fully agreed. I don't care of the drive isn't official--I'm still going to donate and do what I can. We came together as a community to do this; let's not let this get in our way.

[Aesieru]

Dethead123 wrote...

You all are making me facepalm so badly. This has nothing to do with EA/BW the money raised was capped because the charity wanted to be neutral and they were being lumped in with the retake movement. The charity doesn't give a damn about either side they just want to help these kids. The level of drama both sides are creating for this charity is ridiculous.

Actually... members of the Child's Play staff were insulting the movement on their personal twitters.

[ericjdev]

I'm proud I gave money, no matter what happens with the ending I will always know that I was part of that and what we did for this kids is more imprtant than the games ending. It's upsetting how it ended but some of you are going way to far with your paranoid conspiracies and unfounded accusations. It reflects poorly on all of us, cut it out.

[MzAdventure]

1490 wrote...

As a charity, it is in their best interest to stay neutral in order to appeal to a wide variety of donors.  Child's Play was probably worried about being attached to the polarizing nature of Retake and being put in a bad spotlight by the media.  Sad that they no longer wish to receive donations from us, but the response is understandable.

No, it really isn't.  I sit on the boards of several charities, two with operating budgets twice that of CP.

Look at the corporate sponsors listed on CP's page.  Do you think negative press about any of those companies would result in a "we'll keep the money we got from ya, but no more, see ya buh bye" response that we got from CP?

I'm shocked by their response.

If there was a moral issue, some conflict with their stated mission or question of the legality of the funds being donated, those might warrant the response we got.  And even then, it would also require the return of the funds already donated.

I've been involved in philanthropy for 35 years and I've never seen anything like this.

[Myrmedus]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

Priss Blackburne wrote...

No Charity wants to be linked to anything that would be considered a controversy. I for one am kind of happy, it was nice at beginning but this is just getting kinda uglier as time goes on so I think it's for the best.

If you think about it, it was never really nice. It was never about the kids, it was about a group of people complaining about a video game and waving around money trying to, in short, bully a company into complying.

Charity is about the act itself, it's because you want to do it or you feel compelled to do it. Not because you want to do it as leverage to make someone/something do something you want them to do.

Don't even go there.

We could go into philosophy over whether people ever truly have "pure" motives for giving to charity until midnight. Sometimes people do it, when there appears to be no reason, just so they themselves "feel good" - still a selfish motivation.

It doesn't matter really. It's not in a charity's best interest to stop a growing toll of donations because of such formless, shapeless attachments.

Seems to be they were getting plastered by hate mail, period.

Modifié par Myrmedus, 23 mars 2012 - 12:45 .

[Aesieru]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

Priss Blackburne wrote...

No Charity wants to be linked to anything that would be considered a controversy. I for one am kind of happy, it was nice at beginning but this is just getting kinda uglier as time goes on so I think it's for the best.

If you think about it, it was never really nice. It was never about the kids, it was about a group of people complaining about a video game and waving around money trying to, in short, bully a company into complying.

Charity is about the act itself, it's because you want to do it or you feel compelled to do it. Not because you want to do it as leverage to make someone/something do something you want them to do.

This is ONE VIEW, but not really accurate in any regard.

Actually there are quite a few people who believe this. And it is accurate.

Because you say so?

There are quite a few people who disagree.

It was primarily used as a way to channel the aggression of the Retake Movement towards a positive end while also showing that it was not about entitlement but making something worthwhile. What better way to express that than donating to a charity for children?

[Dethead123]

Aesieru wrote...

Dethead123 wrote...

You all are making me facepalm so badly. This has nothing to do with EA/BW the money raised was capped because the charity wanted to be neutral and they were being lumped in with the retake movement. The charity doesn't give a damn about either side they just want to help these kids. The level of drama both sides are creating for this charity is ridiculous.

Actually... members of the Child's Play staff were insulting the movement on their personal twitters.

Well that's their preogative. I don't care what their opinions to the movement are. Retake and Child's Play are two seperate entities to me. I donate to help a little for a worthy cause. I hold the line for a better ending.

[hector7rau]

Aesieru wrote...

Dethead123 wrote...

You all are making me facepalm so badly. This has nothing to do with EA/BW the money raised was capped because the charity wanted to be neutral and they were being lumped in with the retake movement. The charity doesn't give a damn about either side they just want to help these kids. The level of drama both sides are creating for this charity is ridiculous.

Actually... members of the Child's Play staff were insulting the movement on their personal twitters.

Link or it didn't happen.

[Vikali]

victoriakm wrote...

1490 wrote...

As a charity, it is in their best interest to stay neutral in order to appeal to a wide variety of donors.  Child's Play was probably worried about being attached to the polarizing nature of Retake and being put in a bad spotlight by the media.  Sad that they no longer wish to receive donations from us, but the response is understandable.

No, it really isn't.  I sit on the boards of several charities, two with operating budgets twice that of CP.

Look at the corporate sponsors listed on CP's page.  Do you think negative press about any of those companies would result in a "we'll keep the money we got from ya, but no more, see ya buh bye" response that we got from CP?

I'm shocked by their response.

If there was a moral issue, some conflict with their stated mission or question of the legality of the funds being donated, those might warrant the response we got.  And even then, it would also require the return of the funds already donated.

I've been involved in philanthropy for 35 years and I've never seen anything like this.

Thirty-five years and you've never seen people outwarly attack a charity event because they disagree with the sponsor? I see it near every year with the walks that happen here, and I'm still in my 20s.

[Pathero]

nevar00 wrote...

It's possible. Considering game corporations have pressured websites to fire journalists who give their games bad reviews before, we already know there is an incredibly dark underside of the gaming industry that is kept hidden from us thanks to these corporations having control of the media (hell just look at the response to the angry fans for proof). And while we've been lied to and whatnot in the past... I think this is really stretching it. I highly doubt EA/Bioware had anything to do with it.

I still think this is incredibly ridiculous that a charity for little kids would shut down something that made them $80,000 in little over a week and was still going strong if they truly cared about the kids over potentially looking bad from a few whiny folks, though.

I understand they want to avoid bad PR but Jesus, it's not like we're representing the KKK here.

Give the hob nobs at EA some credit.  Only a complete lunatic would even think about getting someone from EA or Bioware to phone Child's Play about the charity drive.

The drive caused no harm and I think several Bioware employees have said they are honoured by the drive.  That the fans went to such lengths to demonstrate their passion for their product speak volumes about the product.  I cannot believe that they would EVER shutdown the drive.  I'm guessing this was an internal Child's Play thing on the basis that if they are being misrepresented as supporting retakemasseffect then it will paint them in a bad light (Can you imagine the bad press that would follow if you had a children's charity which was being presented to the world at large as being used to manipulate publisher's to get game endings that you liked....)

[Fame-KIllz]

Aesieru wrote...

Dethead123 wrote...

You all are making me facepalm so badly. This has nothing to do with EA/BW the money raised was capped because the charity wanted to be neutral and they were being lumped in with the retake movement. The charity doesn't give a damn about either side they just want to help these kids. The level of drama both sides are creating for this charity is ridiculous.

Actually... members of the Child's Play staff were insulting the movement on their personal twitters.

Link? 

[DentedHalo]

guys... for the love of god, anyone who hates Retake reading this has all the ammunition they could possibly need right here... please do not let the good thing that we did become a sword to hurt us with... please realise that some of the comments here just make it look like we were using the charity like we have been accused of... keep calm and keep things in perspective.

[Evil_medved]

"EA TAKES MONEY FROM THE CHILDREN"

Oooh i wanna see that on news.

[Myrmedus]

Vikali wrote...

victoriakm wrote...

1490 wrote...

As a charity, it is in their best interest to stay neutral in order to appeal to a wide variety of donors.  Child's Play was probably worried about being attached to the polarizing nature of Retake and being put in a bad spotlight by the media.  Sad that they no longer wish to receive donations from us, but the response is understandable.

No, it really isn't.  I sit on the boards of several charities, two with operating budgets twice that of CP.

Look at the corporate sponsors listed on CP's page.  Do you think negative press about any of those companies would result in a "we'll keep the money we got from ya, but no more, see ya buh bye" response that we got from CP?

I'm shocked by their response.

If there was a moral issue, some conflict with their stated mission or question of the legality of the funds being donated, those might warrant the response we got.  And even then, it would also require the return of the funds already donated.

I've been involved in philanthropy for 35 years and I've never seen anything like this.

Thirty-five years and you've never seen people outwarly attack a charity event because they disagree with the sponsor? I see it near every year with the walks that happen here, and I'm still in my 20s.

Sounds like you need to move, lmao.

[Vikali]

Myrmedus wrote...

Vikali wrote...

victoriakm wrote...

1490 wrote...

As a charity, it is in their best interest to stay neutral in order to appeal to a wide variety of donors.  Child's Play was probably worried about being attached to the polarizing nature of Retake and being put in a bad spotlight by the media.  Sad that they no longer wish to receive donations from us, but the response is understandable.

No, it really isn't.  I sit on the boards of several charities, two with operating budgets twice that of CP.

Look at the corporate sponsors listed on CP's page.  Do you think negative press about any of those companies would result in a "we'll keep the money we got from ya, but no more, see ya buh bye" response that we got from CP?

I'm shocked by their response.

If there was a moral issue, some conflict with their stated mission or question of the legality of the funds being donated, those might warrant the response we got.  And even then, it would also require the return of the funds already donated.

I've been involved in philanthropy for 35 years and I've never seen anything like this.

Thirty-five years and you've never seen people outwarly attack a charity event because they disagree with the sponsor? I see it near every year with the walks that happen here, and I'm still in my 20s.

Sounds like you need to move, lmao.

Well, that I can't argue. Bahaha. But it happens.

[jkflipflopDAO]

beccathelion wrote...

Yeah, I mean... No charity turns down cash without a major, major incentive... email doesn't seem to cut it for me.

They just took a million dollar payout from EA.

[Myrmedus]

Fame-KIllz wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Dethead123 wrote...

You all are making me facepalm so badly. This has nothing to do with EA/BW the money raised was capped because the charity wanted to be neutral and they were being lumped in with the retake movement. The charity doesn't give a damn about either side they just want to help these kids. The level of drama both sides are creating for this charity is ridiculous.

Actually... members of the Child's Play staff were insulting the movement on their personal twitters.

Link? 

Be that as it may, good then.

We can start donating to a charity that doesn't take a dump on their benefactors.