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[Dreaming Dead]

The next charity should be the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation...


Just throwing a suggestion out there Raise awareness please!

[HenchxNarf]

Priss Blackburne wrote...



That's why I said Kinda Nice. It was nice in the sense that I was donating to a Charity I liked for a cause I beleived in. But more of a Wanted Bioware to listen to us not force them to do what we want in my mind.

But it did rub me as something that wasn't in the spirit of Childs play. Gabe and Tycho deliberatly distanced themselves from Childs play so the comic would not in any way be assoiciated with Childs play. I didn't feel right to associate this with childs play in my mind.

There are people who did donate that had good intentions, but they kind of get sullied when the basis of the charity was to wave money in a company's face to get them to change something they have no right to change.

Yeah, people donate selfishly all the time, but I doubt that they do it to sway a company into feeling obligated to do something.

You're one of the ones who did it for the right reason. Most people didn't.

[deathscythe517]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

Priss Blackburne wrote...

No Charity wants to be linked to anything that would be considered a controversy. I for one am kind of happy, it was nice at beginning but this is just getting kinda uglier as time goes on so I think it's for the best.

If you think about it, it was never really nice. It was never about the kids, it was about a group of people complaining about a video game and waving around money trying to, in short, bully a company into complying.

Charity is about the act itself, it's because you want to do it or you feel compelled to do it. Not because you want to do it as leverage to make someone/something do something you want them to do.

Awh dah poor wittle corporation, getting bullied by those big stupid mean customers, how horrible! What an atrocity! Let's forget that you're essentially saying that a business should disregard the audience it chooses to sell to which isn't like the basis for modern economics or anything, I'm sick of people treating a corporation like it's some damned child that needs to be protected. It's not a person, it's not male or female, it has no 'age', it was never born, it was formed with the expressed purpose of making money and providing a product, when that product is not satisfactory, people have a right to voice their complaints, it is within the business' interests to listen to the customers even though they already have the money. This basic tenent of operating a business is even more important for video game companies that intend to make post-release DLC as if people are disgruntled and angry enough that means they've made new content with no return to the resources they've put into it.

And if you make the 'well the employees are people' they are, but you aren't their mother, they don't need your protection. Stop it.

People can and will continue to donates to Child's Play regardless of whatever the hell happens here and your assertion that it was never 'nice' is an assumption, I had a small ioda of respect for you since you seemed to be somewhat respectful about your supporting the endings, but now? What do you think.

[Myrmedus]

Vikali wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

Vikali wrote...

victoriakm wrote...

1490 wrote...

As a charity, it is in their best interest to stay neutral in order to appeal to a wide variety of donors.  Child's Play was probably worried about being attached to the polarizing nature of Retake and being put in a bad spotlight by the media.  Sad that they no longer wish to receive donations from us, but the response is understandable.

No, it really isn't.  I sit on the boards of several charities, two with operating budgets twice that of CP.

Look at the corporate sponsors listed on CP's page.  Do you think negative press about any of those companies would result in a "we'll keep the money we got from ya, but no more, see ya buh bye" response that we got from CP?

I'm shocked by their response.

If there was a moral issue, some conflict with their stated mission or question of the legality of the funds being donated, those might warrant the response we got.  And even then, it would also require the return of the funds already donated.

I've been involved in philanthropy for 35 years and I've never seen anything like this.

Thirty-five years and you've never seen people outwarly attack a charity event because they disagree with the sponsor? I see it near every year with the walks that happen here, and I'm still in my 20s.

Sounds like you need to move, lmao.

Well, that I can't argue. Bahaha. But it happens.

xD

I don't think BW or EA are involved but I do think something has spurned this on more than politics, I have to admit.

[Blackmind1]

locsphere wrote...

Is this true can anyone link me or show me why they shut down the drive?

Very Political, very very sketchy. Would appreciate answers thanks

Why would you auotmatically assume it's EA or Bioware? Christ you people are paranoid.

[randalbattalis]

Evil_medved wrote...

"EA TAKES MONEY FROM THE CHILDREN"

Oooh i wanna see that on news.

No it's

"Penny Arcade takes money away from it's own charity because they don't agree with the donators."

EA has nothing to do with this it's all Penny Arcade.

Modifié par randalbattalis, 23 mars 2012 - 12:49 .

[MeldarthX]

locsphere wrote...

Is this true can anyone link me or show me why they shut down the drive?

Very Political, very very sketchy. Would appreciate answers thanks

Right now - stop - the charity said they'd been getting heat from the ReTakeMe drive.....that's all we know - the speculation on what happened.......

That's all it is - we've heard the stories - true or not - without evidence; please don't throw around bassless actuations......


HOLD THE LINE

[Filby08]

What kind of sick individual sends hate mail to a charity?

::Edit:: I am also not convinced Bioware had anything to dow ith this.

Modifié par Filby08, 23 mars 2012 - 12:50 .

[Myrmedus]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Priss Blackburne wrote...



That's why I said Kinda Nice. It was nice in the sense that I was donating to a Charity I liked for a cause I beleived in. But more of a Wanted Bioware to listen to us not force them to do what we want in my mind.

But it did rub me as something that wasn't in the spirit of Childs play. Gabe and Tycho deliberatly distanced themselves from Childs play so the comic would not in any way be assoiciated with Childs play. I didn't feel right to associate this with childs play in my mind.

There are people who did donate that had good intentions, but they kind of get sullied when the basis of the charity was to wave money in a company's face to get them to change something they have no right to change.

Yeah, people donate selfishly all the time, but I doubt that they do it to sway a company into feeling obligated to do something.

You're one of the ones who did it for the right reason. Most people didn't.

Again, define "right reason".

If we're going down that path of discussion, we could get into the semantics about how every reason someone donates to charity is essentially a self-based reason anyway.

Why even dissect it? $100k to a charity is a damn good thing, motives aside.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

Myrmedus wrote...

Don't even go there.

We could go into philosophy over whether people ever truly have "pure" motives for giving to charity until midnight. Sometimes people do it, when there appears to be no reason, just so they themselves "feel good" - still a selfish motivation.

It doesn't matter really. It's not in a charity's best interest to stop a growing toll of donations because of such formless, shapeless attachments.

Seems to be they were getting plastered by hate mail, period.

Pretty much this.

[The Lightspeaker]

Tiny bit over the top here. I don't honestly believe BioWare or EA had anything to do with it. And whilst I applaud the idea of donations to a charity to make a point it does run the risk of making it appear as if said charity supports the action.

I don't think its PA either to be honest. I've looked over what was said in their blog things and, unless I've missed something particularly vitriolic, it honestly it just looks like the usual recycled "we don't really understand what your problems are but you shouldn't change art and its BioWare's story". Something I've already made a point of discrediting in my blog so I don't accept that as a legitimate argument. I'm feeling charitable tonight so I'd say their stance against change is simply because they don't really "get" it, which is ok I suppose. Certainly no worse than what I've seen off other people. And they have more reason than most to toe the line with BioWare's stance if they really do get money from them.

Personally I'm fairly convinced by the hate mail angle. Because it genuinely sounds like something a bunch of raged idiots would do.

[Mims]

Not add fuel to the conspiracy, but I am sure child's play gets considerable support from EA, and potentially lower cost game prices/donations.

I'm not saying it was done maliciously. But you don't bite a hand that feeds you, after all. Child's play can't afford to be making enemies when it relies on the gaming community.

[Shadow98]

Seriously everyone chill I'm sure that there are other charities to donate to. Also while EA has at times (some would say has a record) acquired companies then those companies have gone down hill that's a pretty big jump to say they are so evil as to ask a charity to shut down their drive so the people who are saying that it Child's Play are the ones who asked us to stop are probably correct. Also not to point out the obvious but if EA makes such horrible games and stuff where do they keep getting money to buy these studios?

[Vikali]

Filby08 wrote...

What kind of sick individual sends hate mail to a charity?

::Edit:: I am also not convinced Bioware had anything to dow ith this.

My guess is a very immature and hearless inividual who needs to get his or her head together.

Modifié par Vikali, 23 mars 2012 - 12:51 .

[Evil_medved]

randalbattalis wrote...

Evil_medved wrote...

"EA TAKES MONEY FROM THE CHILDREN"

Oooh i wanna see that on news.

No it's

"Penny Arcade takes money away from it's own charity because they don't agree with the donators."

EA has nothing to do with this it's all Penny Arcade.

Who cares? Penny arcade is EA lap dog.  I am gonna email some major news sites with that and all of you should too. This is pure gold.

Modifié par Evil_medved, 23 mars 2012 - 12:52 .

[yahtzo]

Wow, what pieces of trash. Hope Forbes rips into this.

[Asclepus]

Vikali wrote...

Asclepus wrote...

antony1197 wrote...

Look regardless of your opinion of bioware/EA, they are not that stupid there is no way in hell they would ever go that far and thats saying something

Let me see if I can put this a diffferrentt way without offending the majority of people here. Bioware and it's management is scared. They are angry. What they thought was going to be the best received game of all time hasn't done it. Sales are down, negative pressure is up from the top down. I am not saying that they shut down the charity to deny us an ally, but scared and frightened people do irrational things. Somthing could have been said through back channels.

What I am saying is that it should be looked at, notshouted from the clifftops. If they did it, then they massively screwed up and it gives us more leverage, If they didn't, no skin off our nose, but at least we considered the possibility. It's simply convenient that Child's Play cut it off, whether planned or nopt. I never once heard anything  about reaching some arbitrary limit here. I never believe in concidences, and that is what I am saying.

So, then you believe the people who openly attack the charity near every day on the forums, and the people who mock the whole ME3 community who aren't even a part of it aren't suspects? Please, don't go into law.

As I said before, check out all leads, but that doesn't automatically prove guilt or innoccence for anyone. I stated that a coincidence occurred. Could it have been from hate mail sent out by people on this or other places? Of course, but in investigation you seek every possible lead, not the ones  that seem most appealing or fit a preconceived notion. The question always has to be asked 'Who has the most to gain?' along with 'Was there a motive?'. They go hand in hand. The two points aren't mutually exclusive after all.

[Myrmedus]

Just set up a new charity and donate to that instead. Enough drama.

If it's hate mail, they're going to get tired chasing us around from charity to charity.

If it's EA or BW (rofl...) then there's only so much pressure they can put out.

If we just setup a new charity, a new tally, flocks away

Modifié par Myrmedus, 23 mars 2012 - 12:53 .

[gmboy902]

Oh that's nice. When rationally arguing that BioWare should keep the ending doesn't work, send hate mail to a charity for kids.

Bravo. I can see how immature we really are.

[Vikali]

Evil_medved wrote...

randalbattalis wrote...

Evil_medved wrote...

"EA TAKES MONEY FROM THE CHILDREN"

Oooh i wanna see that on news.

No it's

"Penny Arcade takes money away from it's own charity because they don't agree with the donators."

EA has nothing to do with this it's all Penny Arcade.

Who cares? Penny arcade in EA lap dog.  I am gonna email some major news sites with that and all of you should too. This is pure gold.

You're going to mail in baseless lies? Is that what this movement is about?

[MassEffecter132]

yahtzo wrote...

Wow, what pieces of trash. Hope Forbes rips into this.

Ya buddy!@

[HenchxNarf]

Mims wrote...

Not add fuel to the conspiracy, but I am sure child's play gets considerable support from EA, and potentially lower cost game prices/donations.

I'm not saying it was done maliciously. But you don't bite a hand that feeds you, after all. Child's play can't afford to be making enemies when it relies on the gaming community.

Very, very true. EA's donations > A movement's donations.

It's a smart move, if you look at it.

[Zoedoll]

Dreaming Dead wrote...

The next charity should be the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation...


Just throwing a suggestion out there Raise awareness please!

Seconding this

[spacefiddle]

Vikali wrote...

spacefiddle wrote...

Fame-KIllz wrote...

They say they requested that we stop donating to them as a group as they have received so much hate mail which is quite frankly astounding. Who sends hate mail to charity?

You know, this makes me angry.

Hey Doctor Ray!  Maybe next time you ask for us not to provide "negative criticism," maybe you can ask your SUPPORTERS not to send hate mail to charity?

I don't even have words.

Wow. They have no more control over their supporters than your group does of the people threatening to kill them and telling them they should all be jobless. Please.

That's kind of exactly my point?  It works both ways or neither.

[Faunwea]

Calm down everyone! The flames are bright enough! Don't let it catch onto everything we've worked for!