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[HenchxNarf]

Vikali wrote...

Evil_medved wrote...

randalbattalis wrote...

Evil_medved wrote...

"EA TAKES MONEY FROM THE CHILDREN"

Oooh i wanna see that on news.

No it's

"Penny Arcade takes money away from it's own charity because they don't agree with the donators."

EA has nothing to do with this it's all Penny Arcade.

Who cares? Penny arcade in EA lap dog.  I am gonna email some major news sites with that and all of you should too. This is pure gold.

You're going to mail in baseless lies? Is that what this movement is about?

Pretty much.

[Pathero]

Wow.

Guys, hold the line.

Read the official thread for the charity drive:
http://social.biowar...5/index/9845819

HOLD THE LINE.

Take a minute to breathe. HOLD THE LINE.
Make no rash assumptions. HOLD THE LINE.
DO NOT jump to conclusions. HOLD THE LINE.
Let's hear from Child's Play. HOLD THE LINE.
Let's hear from EA. HOLD THE LINE.

HOLD. THE. LINE.

[Dreaming Dead]

Myrmedus wrote...

Just set up a new charity and donate to that instead.

Cystic Fibrosis Foundation *hinthint*

Please?

I've lost too many friends and a brother due to that illness. I also have it too >_>

Raise awareness

*disappears*

[LegendaryBlade]

adam32867 wrote...

anyone who sends hate mail to a charity is disgusting.

Quoted.For.Truth

I feel very strongly about that, regardless of whether BW was involved or not that's absolutely vile.

[snajones]

deathscythe517 wrote...

awh dah poor wittle corporation, getting bullied by those big stupid mean customers, how horrible! What an atrocity! Let's forget that you're essentially saying that a business should disregard the audience it chooses to sell to which isn't like the basis for modern economics or anything, I'm sick of people treating a corporation like it's some damned child that needs to be protected. It's not a person, it's not male or female, it has no 'age', it was never born, it was formed with the expressed purpose of making money and providing a product, when that product is not satisfactory, people have a right to voice their complaints, it is within the business' interests to listen to the customers even though they already have the money. This basic tenent of operating a business is even more important for video game companies that intend to make post-release DLC as if people are disgruntled and angry enough that means they've made new content with no return to the resources they've put into it.

And if you make the 'well the employees are people' they are, but you aren't their mother, they don't need your protection. Stop it.

People can and will continue to donates to Child's Play regardless of whatever the hell happens here and your assertion that it was never 'nice' is an assumption, I had a small ioda of respect for you since you seemed to be somewhat respectful about your supporting the endings, but now? What do you think.

This

Be better than "them" - be respectful and civil!

Hold the line!

[Vikali]

Asclepus wrote...

Vikali wrote...

Asclepus wrote...

antony1197 wrote...

Look regardless of your opinion of bioware/EA, they are not that stupid there is no way in hell they would ever go that far and thats saying something

Let me see if I can put this a diffferrentt way without offending the majority of people here. Bioware and it's management is scared. They are angry. What they thought was going to be the best received game of all time hasn't done it. Sales are down, negative pressure is up from the top down. I am not saying that they shut down the charity to deny us an ally, but scared and frightened people do irrational things. Somthing could have been said through back channels.

What I am saying is that it should be looked at, notshouted from the clifftops. If they did it, then they massively screwed up and it gives us more leverage, If they didn't, no skin off our nose, but at least we considered the possibility. It's simply convenient that Child's Play cut it off, whether planned or nopt. I never once heard anything  about reaching some arbitrary limit here. I never believe in concidences, and that is what I am saying.

No skin of your nose maybe, but accusations always stick no matter if innocence is proven. It's this kind of crap that makes the truth irrelevant because people who think what they want to.
So, then you believe the people who openly attack the charity near every day on the forums, and the people who mock the whole ME3 community who aren't even a part of it aren't suspects? Please, don't go into law.

As I said before, check out all leads, but that doesn't automatically prove guilt or innoccence for anyone. I stated that a coincidence occurred. Could it have been from hate mail sent out by people on this or other places? Of course, but in investigation you seek every possible lead, not the ones  that seem most appealing or fit a preconceived notion. The question always has to be asked 'Who has the most to gain?' along with 'Was there a motive?'. They go hand in hand. The two points aren't mutually exclusive after all.

Accusations always stick regardless of proven innocence.

Modifié par Vikali, 23 mars 2012 - 12:54 .

[Grimez7]

Melancholic wrote...

So, let's pick a new charity?

i like this idea

[Myrmedus]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Mims wrote...

Not add fuel to the conspiracy, but I am sure child's play gets considerable support from EA, and potentially lower cost game prices/donations.

I'm not saying it was done maliciously. But you don't bite a hand that feeds you, after all. Child's play can't afford to be making enemies when it relies on the gaming community.

Very, very true. EA's donations > A movement's donations.

It's a smart move, if you look at it.

Except it's suspicious.

I don't see how it would be financially worth it from EA's perspective to buy the charity off rather than develop the ending DLC, especially since said DLC will probably be sold at a profit.

[Evil_medved]

Vikali wrote...

Evil_medved wrote...

randalbattalis wrote...

Evil_medved wrote...

"EA TAKES MONEY FROM THE CHILDREN"

Oooh i wanna see that on news.

No it's

"Penny Arcade takes money away from it's own charity because they don't agree with the donators."

EA has nothing to do with this it's all Penny Arcade.

Who cares? Penny arcade in EA lap dog.  I am gonna email some major news sites with that and all of you should too. This is pure gold.

You're going to mail in baseless lies? Is that what this movement is about?

Bioware does that, EA does that, penny arcade does that, IGN does that, and kotaku does that.

If we want to win this, we should too.

[MzAdventure]

Vikali wrote...

Thirty-five years and you've never seen people outwarly attack a charity event because they disagree with the sponsor? I see it near every year with the walks that happen here, and I'm still in my 20s.

No, I was stating I've never seen a charity kick moral, well-meaning donors to the curb in this fashion.

[Agremont2]

This saddens me. It was doing so well.

[ericjdev]

http://social.biowar...dex/9845819/224

Note that UniqueName001s comments are reasonable, calm and positive unlike the paranoia, vitriol and filth and baseless accusations that this thread has descended into.

Modifié par ericjdev, 23 mars 2012 - 12:56 .

[Myrmedus]

Dreaming Dead wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

Just set up a new charity and donate to that instead.

Cystic Fibrosis Foundation *hinthint*

Please?

I've lost too many friends and a brother due to that illness. I also have it too >_>

Raise awareness

*disappears*

[Sublime82]

Lots of speculation from everyone here

[Myrmedus]

Guys, Vikali is pretty much right in everything he/she has said - quit arguing with them.

[Vikali]

Evil_medved wrote...

Vikali wrote...

Evil_medved wrote...

randalbattalis wrote...

Evil_medved wrote...

"EA TAKES MONEY FROM THE CHILDREN"

Oooh i wanna see that on news.

No it's

"Penny Arcade takes money away from it's own charity because they don't agree with the donators."

EA has nothing to do with this it's all Penny Arcade.

Who cares? Penny arcade in EA lap dog.  I am gonna email some major news sites with that and all of you should too. This is pure gold.

You're going to mail in baseless lies? Is that what this movement is about?

Bioware does that, EA does that, penny arcade does that, IGN does that, and kotaku does that.

If we want to win this, we should too.

Wow. Well, then, I guess I'll stop defending this group, because that's disgusting. If other people do it, we should too, right? He stole that car, why can't I? He killed the woman who left him, why can't I? Good logic.

[deathscythe517]

Vikali wrote...

Evil_medved wrote...

randalbattalis wrote...

Evil_medved wrote...

"EA TAKES MONEY FROM THE CHILDREN"

Oooh i wanna see that on news.

No it's

"Penny Arcade takes money away from it's own charity because they don't agree with the donators."

EA has nothing to do with this it's all Penny Arcade.

Who cares? Penny arcade in EA lap dog.  I am gonna email some major news sites with that and all of you should too. This is pure gold.

You're going to mail in baseless lies? Is that what this movement is about?

Yet again we see that you guys are more consistent then you want to admit in your lengths to defend bioware's business integrity/artistic license/whatever excuse you've thought up today. You'll take one person and then go "oh you're all like that", you know what? That works both ways, and it seems to fit you guys a damn hell of a lot  better, you constantly defend shoddy business practices, you hand wave the most idiotic decisions in regards to story matters, and in the end it seems like that you'll be more content with getting hostile to ordinary people instead of a corporation.

[Quietness]

Faunwea wrote...

Calm down everyone! The flames are bright enough! Don't let it catch onto everything we've worked for!

This..

Ive done a lot of work with not-for-profits. These organizations live and die off of PR. If it looks like it can negatively impact the revenue stream than sadly they must cut ties. A lot of people, myself included, are upset by this decision, but people need to focus on all the good we were able to at least get done when we did.

[spacefiddle]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Mims wrote...

Not add fuel to the conspiracy, but I am sure child's play gets considerable support from EA, and potentially lower cost game prices/donations.

I'm not saying it was done maliciously. But you don't bite a hand that feeds you, after all. Child's play can't afford to be making enemies when it relies on the gaming community.

Very, very true. EA's donations > A movement's donations.

It's a smart move, if you look at it.

Gah really?  This is like 3 pages past the real explanation.  I'm no fan of BWEA's handling of all this, but I'd bet you a thousand dollars they had NOTHING to do with CP's decision.

Look, think a minute: why now, if it was EA?  Why take the risk of news getting out that you stopped a charity drive to, what, thumb your nose at some customers...?  Not plasusible. 

[HenchxNarf]

Myrmedus wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Mims wrote...

Not add fuel to the conspiracy, but I am sure child's play gets considerable support from EA, and potentially lower cost game prices/donations.

I'm not saying it was done maliciously. But you don't bite a hand that feeds you, after all. Child's play can't afford to be making enemies when it relies on the gaming community.

Very, very true. EA's donations > A movement's donations.

It's a smart move, if you look at it.

Except it's suspicious.

I don't see how it would be financially worth it from EA's perspective to buy the charity off rather than develop the ending DLC, especially since said DLC will probably be sold at a profit.

They didn't buy off the charity, The have been donating to Child's Play for YEARS and provididng them games. So your logic is seriously flawed.

Child's Play is funded and run by gaming companies that donate games and money for the children. All big companies are a part of Child's Play, and have been since pretty much the beginning.

[ConradsLaces]

progammler wrote...

ericjdev wrote...

There is absolutely no evidence to support that EA or Bioware had anything to do with this. Throwing around baseless accusations like that is disgusting. That's not holding the line, it's crossing it.

this.

[Blackmind1]

This fanbase is a lost cause. HOLD THE LINE. HOLD THE LINE. HOLD THE LINE.

[Gnaeus.Silvanus]

The foundation is up. Darn it, stop speculating!!! Hold the line!!!!!

[Vikali]

deathscythe517 wrote...

Vikali wrote...

Evil_medved wrote...

randalbattalis wrote...

Evil_medved wrote...

"EA TAKES MONEY FROM THE CHILDREN"

Oooh i wanna see that on news.

No it's

"Penny Arcade takes money away from it's own charity because they don't agree with the donators."

EA has nothing to do with this it's all Penny Arcade.

Who cares? Penny arcade in EA lap dog.  I am gonna email some major news sites with that and all of you should too. This is pure gold.

You're going to mail in baseless lies? Is that what this movement is about?

Yet again we see that you guys are more consistent then you want to admit in your lengths to defend bioware's business integrity/artistic license/whatever excuse you've thought up today. You'll take one person and then go "oh you're all like that", you know what? That works both ways, and it seems to fit you guys a damn hell of a lot  better, you constantly defend shoddy business practices, you hand wave the most idiotic decisions in regards to story matters, and in the end it seems like that you'll be more content with getting hostile to ordinary people instead of a corporation.

That's an outright lie because not only did I donate to the charity, I tell people who attack this group to ****** off and mind their business. I also contibute to the theory community. I don't like the endings as is, and I've said that a hndred times. I do like their idea, not the execution.

Modifié par Vikali, 23 mars 2012 - 12:58 .

[CheeseEnchilada]

Dreaming Dead wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

Just set up a new charity and donate to that instead.

Cystic Fibrosis Foundation *hinthint*

Please?

I've lost too many friends and a brother due to that illness. I also have it too >_>

Raise awareness

*disappears*

Ooh, I like this idea. It's definitely a worthy cause, and we even have the Mass Effect connection, as I recall a post stating that Kepral's Syndrome is based off of Cystic Fibrosis.