So they just mention that he could've been indoctrinated and then just roll with it? Really? Exactly how did he get indoctrinated seeing as how he spends most of his time sitting at a desk?
He seemed pretty cool during the first half of the game and was getting things done. He was gaining my respect. But then he all of a sudden does a 180 and goes total villain on us for no good explanation. There was no indication throughout the entire trilogy that he was THAT power hungry.
What is up with Udina? I don't get it.
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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 01:09
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I honestly don't think he was indoctrinated, just scared. Scared people can do as much damage as evil ones...
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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 01:09
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I guess he got sick of the Council's bull**** for not helping Earth.
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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 01:10
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He tried to do what he thought was best. Gotta love Udina!
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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 01:10
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It was hinted at that he was trying to take control of the council in order to speed up the rescue of earth.
Or something.
It wasn't too clear.
Or something.
It wasn't too clear.
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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 01:10
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Lots of speculation for everyone.
Although, this is an example of speculation bait that I'm actually okay with. The fact that Udina died right away seemed natural, and the various questions left in the wake of his attempted coup don't seem forced.
What was his motive? Was he indoctrinated? Bribed? was he honestly just scared enough for the fate of humanity that he was willing to side with Cerberus? Did his ambition finally get the best of him?
We don't know, and maybe we never will, and I'm okay with that.
Although, this is an example of speculation bait that I'm actually okay with. The fact that Udina died right away seemed natural, and the various questions left in the wake of his attempted coup don't seem forced.
What was his motive? Was he indoctrinated? Bribed? was he honestly just scared enough for the fate of humanity that he was willing to side with Cerberus? Did his ambition finally get the best of him?
We don't know, and maybe we never will, and I'm okay with that.
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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 01:10
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Nope. It's up to interpretation whether he was indoctrinated, power hungry, or desperate. It's kind of a shame that we had a regular antagonist dive into full villain territory without an explanation--it seems designed for those who wanted to oppose him for putting Shepard down in the first two games rather than genuine character development.
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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 01:11
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Have a Codex entry.
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Councilor Udina's attempted coup will no doubt be analyzed for generations to come, but a clear picture is beginning to merge. Udina had contacted Cerberus to coordinate what was intended to be a bloodless takeover of the Citadel, in which he would force the other councilors to grant him emergency powers so that he could command the Citadel Fleet. He would then direct the fleet to liberate his homeworld, Earth.
The plan fell apart early when Executor Pallin and the salarian councilor caught wind of it. In defense of the plan, the Illusive Man dispatched his top assassins, commanded by Kai Leng, to kill them. Udina had little choice but to support the assassins with an armed force sufficient to hold the Citadel. Captured confidantes have indicated that Udina and Leng's alliance was relatively fragile: Udina may have planned to turn on Cerberus once the fleet was his to command, and Leng departed when he calculated that Udina would not succeed.
Persistent rumors suggest that Udina might have been a high-functioning victim of Reaper indoctrination. His actions played right into the Reapers' plans: even if the coup failed, it would damage Citadel governance. If it succeeded, his plan to retake Earth would likely have turned into a military blunder that Council forces could ill afford. However, there is no direct evidence of his indoctrination, nor obvious opportunity. It is more likely that Udina acted out of desperation, and in doing so, cost humanity its councilor.
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Councilor Udina's attempted coup will no doubt be analyzed for generations to come, but a clear picture is beginning to merge. Udina had contacted Cerberus to coordinate what was intended to be a bloodless takeover of the Citadel, in which he would force the other councilors to grant him emergency powers so that he could command the Citadel Fleet. He would then direct the fleet to liberate his homeworld, Earth.
The plan fell apart early when Executor Pallin and the salarian councilor caught wind of it. In defense of the plan, the Illusive Man dispatched his top assassins, commanded by Kai Leng, to kill them. Udina had little choice but to support the assassins with an armed force sufficient to hold the Citadel. Captured confidantes have indicated that Udina and Leng's alliance was relatively fragile: Udina may have planned to turn on Cerberus once the fleet was his to command, and Leng departed when he calculated that Udina would not succeed.
Persistent rumors suggest that Udina might have been a high-functioning victim of Reaper indoctrination. His actions played right into the Reapers' plans: even if the coup failed, it would damage Citadel governance. If it succeeded, his plan to retake Earth would likely have turned into a military blunder that Council forces could ill afford. However, there is no direct evidence of his indoctrination, nor obvious opportunity. It is more likely that Udina acted out of desperation, and in doing so, cost humanity its councilor.
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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 01:11
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I strongly doubt that Udina was indoctrinated. I think Ashley just mentioned it because she couldn't explain his sudden behavior.
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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 01:11
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He probably got feed up with the politics and TIM offered him a way to save earth.
He also vented his feeling pretty well when you went back and talked to him.
He also vented his feeling pretty well when you went back and talked to him.
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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 01:11
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Holoe4 wrote...
or he's just a selfish jerk...
He's been a greedy ass with delusions of grandeur since the first game
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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 01:12
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He's the descendantt of Canada's glorious emperor, Harper.
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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 01:12
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Fan service. People have been wanting to kill him ever since ME1. I agree though that it makes no sense. I have always said, "Never trust a politician who wears blue sneakers.".
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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 01:12
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The basic explanation is that he is willing to do whatever to help Earth. Maybe he thought Cerberus would help Earth if he did whatever they told him.
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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 01:13
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Ha, he was trying to pull a Palpatine. Oh Udina; you're not nearly important enough for that to work.daqs wrote...
Have a Codex entry.
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Councilor Udina's attempted coup will no doubt be analyzed for generations to come, but a clear picture is beginning to merge. Udina had contacted Cerberus to coordinate what was intended to be a bloodless takeover of the Citadel, in which he would force the other councilors to grant him emergency powers so that he could command the Citadel Fleet. He would then direct the fleet to liberate his homeworld, Earth.
The plan fell apart early when Executor Pallin and the salarian councilor caught wind of it. In defense of the plan, the Illusive Man dispatched his top assassins, commanded by Kai Leng, to kill them. Udina had little choice but to support the assassins with an armed force sufficient to hold the Citadel. Captured confidantes have indicated that Udina and Leng's alliance was relatively fragile: Udina may have planned to turn on Cerberus once the fleet was his to command, and Leng departed when he calculated that Udina would not succeed.
Persistent rumors suggest that Udina might have been a high-functioning victim of Reaper indoctrination. His actions played right into the Reapers' plans: even if the coup failed, it would damage Citadel governance. If it succeeded, his plan to retake Earth would likely have turned into a military blunder that Council forces could ill afford. However, there is no direct evidence of his indoctrination, nor obvious opportunity. It is more likely that Udina acted out of desperation, and in doing so, cost humanity its councilor.
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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 01:14
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Nothing to speculate. Motives, intents, reasoning explained in Codex.
No one seems to read it anymore...
No one seems to read it anymore...
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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 01:14
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Udina's betrayal took me by suprise. I didn't think he'd turn into a total villain. Sure he was a bit of a jerk, but a jerk that was on our side (or so I thought).
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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 01:14
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Like the codex said, he got desperate and ****ed up. Desperate people make mistakes like that all the time.
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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 01:15
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Jimbe2693 wrote...
Udina's betrayal took me by suprise. I didn't think he'd turn into a total villain. Sure he was a bit of a jerk, but a jerk that was on our side (or so I thought).
Is that the type of person we want defending the galaxy?
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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 01:15
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sistersafetypin wrote...
Holoe4 wrote...
or he's just a selfish jerk...
He's been a greedy ass with delusions of grandeur since the first game
He has Humanity's best interests at heart but he's pretty selfish.
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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 01:16
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Yeah, I remember playing with a couple friends on party chat. When one of them got that scene they were like "All right! I've been waiting since the first game to shoot Udina, and now I can!" I thought he meant it as an extreme Renegade choice where you didn't agree with him about something.
When I got there I was just like "wait, Udina's working for Cerberus? That doesn't sound right" he may be an Earth-first ass, but I always saw him as a sort of mentor to a Renegade character. And he never seemed to be very pro-Cerberus... if anything I would've associated him with Terra Firma. I actually liked him, though. He was a jerk, but he never struck me as *evil*. :\\
When I got there I was just like "wait, Udina's working for Cerberus? That doesn't sound right" he may be an Earth-first ass, but I always saw him as a sort of mentor to a Renegade character. And he never seemed to be very pro-Cerberus... if anything I would've associated him with Terra Firma. I actually liked him, though. He was a jerk, but he never struck me as *evil*. :\\
