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[DannieCraft]

 The kid on earth was a touching scene. It showed that I was no longer in full control over the events around me. It felt more alive.

But at the same time it felt like it was forced on me because I really didn't have an option to run after him, grab him in the arm and say "come here you little brat, you'll never make it on your own". That would be some scene, Shepard shooting his way through with a kid behind his back.

I didn't mind the dreams, but the introduction of the first one came right after boarding Normandy from the Citadel, and it was very confusing at first. Maybe I lacked the little "you better go sleep before we head out Commander, it's going to be a long ride" before it came up... Also, it was a new element to the entire game series, so I didn't know what to think at first.

In the end I thought it was brilliant, it felt like that Post traumatic stress was finally catching up with Shepard. You can only see so much death before your mind go insane. The game become much about "trying to hold it together" and knowing who to talk to about what.

The last dream though, seeing Shepard burn, I thought "this is it", but there was no way I could say it to the LI, so it became words of "I'm fine" instead. Everyone, EVERYONE depends on me, and I am fighting so that they can live. Damn it.

Very emotional.

Modifié par DannieCraft, 23 mars 2012 - 02:00 .

[troyk2027]

Thought the kid thing was OK. The dreams were a little much, though I did like hearing the voices of the characters that died.

But the ghost/AI/god BS was beyond awful.

[Unschuld]

It gave me a good feeling of what it's like to be Pedobear.

[alx119]

rivqa wrote...

It was pretty contrived. It reminded me of the little girl in the red coat in Schindler's List, but nowhere near as well done. I was puzzled why the kid was there and why he thought Shepard couldn't help him. I didn't mind him as a plot device for my particular Shepard though, but I wondered what more renegade Sheps would think.

I'm on the fence about the dream sequences, they kind of worked for me but would have been better with dead squadmates and planets blowing up than the kid.

And then after the end... I'll be trying to shoot him if I ever replay.

Oh jesus christ, that movie brought me to tears. And yes, it doesn't get close, in fact is a couple of systems away from that little girl xD 

The dream sequences where fine, especially the voices of old squaddies, but having to chase down the same damn kid was annoying. 

[Asepsis]

I don't know if this happened to anyone else, but I was reminded of Sheogorath's dream realm in Skyrim.

All I can say about the whole dream thing is that it made me wonder if Shepard was being indoctrinated, especially when you see Shep and the kid burning up. I was emotionally affected when the kid was killed in the escape ship at the beginning though.

[JPfanner]

It was just annoying. I kept trying to mash keys to just skip over them completely instead of being forced to endure slow motion stupidity.

The one that interrupts the romance scene is the worst. Talk about a moodkiller. Nice pacing failure by Bioware there. Dreaming about little boys after just having sex...yeah.

Annoyingly you can't skip the Stargazer clip either, even if you skip the credits. Like as in you are forced to watch it, short of shutting down ME3 down completely via task manager.

[nomoredruggs]

The kid at the start of the game didn't really have an impact on me, not to mention the whole vent scene kind of weirded me out...

But personaly I liked the dream sequences, I found them to be very ambient and well, dreamy...It made me feel that my Shepard was having a bit of a hard time keeping it together.

[Eyelidsz]

As a general rule, I just can't stand kids in any type of entertainment medium (games, movies, whatever). It is so terribly done in ME3, especially having the little turd at the end in electro form. I didn't mind it at all in the beginning. But then the dreams start. Oh man. That's the first time I've cringed in the trilogy. It's mind blowing that Bioware thought this was a great addition to the plot.

The Angry One wrote...

I thought the kid was cheap and manipulative.
It didn't help that he has one of those faces you just want to slap.
It also didn't help that his only dialogue "You can't help me." was atrociously acted and badly written (what child talks like that? Seriously?).

Agreed on all points, #2 in particular. LOL. That kid had such a terrible look. 

[lil_lene]

alx119 wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

I liked the part of the dreams where you heard Mordin and Legion's voices echoing at you, but everything involving the kid itself was annoying.

I thought that was very, very touching. And actually got me into tears. But the whole chase was pointless, I used to stop and listen to the voices before running. 

This.. The voices were the most interesting part.. And the only part that I was emotionally invested in.. I just didn't care about the kid.. I was like who is he to me?

[usmack5]

Honestly, the whole concept of Shepard being so down and disturbed by seeing the kid die (if we're not going with the indoctrination theory) seems to be very out of character for Shepard. I'll explain.

Let's just assume for a second here that Shepard is male (just to save me from adding reflecting female pronouns). Shepard is a character that, no matter how you've played through the series, has seen countless people die (including many that were important to him), and has made decisions that have resulted in the deaths of countless individuals that he did not know. Has he ever been as disturbed as he was after he sees the kid get blown up? Evidence shows that he likely has not. My two issues with this are A: How can he have this harsh of a reaction, along the lines of PTSD, with the death of this kid he does not know when his reaction to the sacrifice of a dear squadmate in ME1 was minor in comparison? and B: Even if you pick the "best" of his origin stories, and ignore all the other people he's lost in life, the fact remains that Shepard kills hundreds of thousands of Batarians at the end of the Arrival DLC and barely bats an eye with the reality that their sacrifice bought the galaxy some time to prepare for the Reaper invasion - how does this child's death resound so much more strongly when he could just as easily see it as another necessary sacrifice?

I am aware of the symbolism of the child being hope lost and the reality of the sacrifice humanity makes every second the battle on Earth goes on, but something tells me his reaction just doesn't fit his character.

That's why I'm going with the Indoctrination Theory to explain away all of this bull.

Modifié par usmack5, 23 mars 2012 - 02:04 .

[Moosasarous]

The kid dying and the dreams actually did have an impact on me.
Why he was chosen to house the Reaper King though.. that didn't have an impact on me.

[mi_dad]

I thought the dream sequences were ok until I finished the game, afterwards they just felt added in to make the ending seem plausible.

[alx119]

jakal66 wrote...

I liked the idea, untill the end that is... I think a lot of people here are just plain angry...this forum is getting too hostile...the kid untill the end represents Sheppards regrets, he's losing friends and he knows hes gonna lose more and may be the war....the kid represents his doubts.I thought it was emotionally effective.That is untill the end.People here will critizise anything just for the sake of it-

We are not complaining about what it represents, we're complaining about the kid being -there-. The same message could have been come across using squadmates, who you actually CARED about in the dream sequences. 
The kid felt forced, and hence, you don't grow any attatchment for him.

I'd appreciate if you would not start assuming things about people and actually read their posts, they have very good arguments against the kid other than rage towards the ending (which is completely justified precisely because of the kid). 

[Orthodox Infidel]

alx119 wrote...

 Hasn't Shepard, being the war hero that he is, seen way WORSE things? Hell even squadmates die for the Reaper cause? 

I know you meant generally, not in regard to pre-service history, but since you said "War Hero" it got me thinking about that.

Colonist Shepard was kidnapped by Batarian slavers, where hundreds of people including children were kept in cages and all sorts of other atrocities.

Ruthless Shepard butchered hundreds of Batarians, and if you pick this background, you're given dialog options that strongly imply that this Shepard is a psychopath who enjoys killing.

ME2 Shepard saw colonists from Horizon get liquified while still alive, screaming in horrible pain.

The idea that one little boy getting laser beamed would bother Shepard for more than a minute or two is a little out of character for many characters.

[Heretic19]

I honestly really liked all of it. besides the starkid obviously. But it was pretty emotional, especially when Mordin and Legion's voices begin to chime in. For me it was a little cherry on top of an already awesome experience.

[yoshibb]

Originally but the more I saw him, the more I couuldn't stand him. When I saw he became the starchild, I wanted to punt him across the room.

[Vixy]

Yeah, it made me laugh.

[Militarized]

Zix13 wrote...

Militarized wrote...

Zix13 wrote...

Not really. One kid dying when millions are dying all around you deserved .5 seconds of screen time.

If you look at it from my posts perspective I think it's OK. 

The ending ruins my perspective though LOL 

If indoc is correct, I agree. If he's just some random kid then he doesn't deserve much screentime, and certainly not any dreams. I guarantee you shep would care more about the death of his former squad mates than a silly child who refused his help.

Well yeah but in his dreams I assumed the kid = humanity... like in it's entirety. A young race, innocent, running around the galaxy while Shepard chases it and tries to warn them. Then they get lit up and it's too late, they're on fire and burning. 

Like I said, the Catalyst made me enjoy watching him burn though. It effected me emotionally till I got to him. 

[Icesong]

No, I hate kids being used as emotional manipulators like that. Spend all the time they're on screen resenting it. I let out an exasperated cry when I saw the starchild coming towards me("Oh come on, not this ****ing kid again!"). Would soon be crying for other reasons.

[brusher225]

alx119 wrote...

 I thought that the whole kid thing was pointless. It did not drive me emotionally in any way. Maybe I'm being heartless, but I just... Didn't have any attatchement with the kid, and the dialogue with him didn't make me any more sensitive towards him. And after having seen that scene in the way early E3 demo, I couldn't bring myself to care. And the dream sequences were a bit annoying, since the whole kid burning didn't have any effect on me.

What was the whole point of the kid? I mean, I get that he's supposed to be a symbol for the people he could not save on Earth and all, but... Hasn't Shepard, being the war hero that he is, seen way WORSE things? Hell even squadmates die for the Reaper cause? Any other dead in the game, Legion, Thane, Mordin, kicked me right in the heart, and made me tear up like a little girl. But somehow the kid exloding in the shuttle was... "Well, alright". 
And I hate how Shepard is so ofuscated by this kid, like jesus, he barely gave a **** about Legion, and yet he has the dream with the kid...

Honestly, the dream sequence would have had so much more impact on me if they'd added the dead squaddies in the horizon, and you trying to get to them, and when you actually do they burst in flames I would have CRIED everytime. 

But the kid... I just didn't care about some random kid, a lot of people is dying on Earth, so why care about that one damn ****ing kid. It really pisses me off because I don't see -my- Shepard caring -that much- about the kid. And he's full paragon :/ 

Your opinion on the kid BSN?

(All of this ignoring the godkid of course)

Only in that in the end, with his arrival on the scene, it made everything else pointless.

Modifié par brusher225, 23 mars 2012 - 02:08 .

[Nageth]

After the first dream it was pretty obvious what was going on but I didn't expect such a complete lack of development. Get two dreams with him burning, a dream with you and him burning (& VO after a while) and then he is suddenly the Catalyst. I mean, it is like they had the idea but didn't fully execute.

I'm probably just bitter that yet again the three choices you picked in ME1 don't mean a thing (I was hoping the kid wasn't just some random kid).

[Terraforming2154]

I actually liked the dream sequences. Like the OP said though, I would have rather seen our squadmates than the kid.

I sort of want to know what the dreams sound like for people who had tons of squadmates die though. Do you really hear everyone?

Modifié par Terraforming2154, 23 mars 2012 - 02:10 .

[The Angry One]

Here are my thoughts on the kid's scene after the ending.

[jakal66]

alx119 wrote...

jakal66 wrote...

I liked the idea, untill the end that is... I think a lot of people here are just plain angry...this forum is getting too hostile...the kid untill the end represents Sheppards regrets, he's losing friends and he knows hes gonna lose more and may be the war....the kid represents his doubts.I thought it was emotionally effective.That is untill the end.People here will critizise anything just for the sake of it-

We are not complaining about what it represents, we're complaining about the kid being -there-. The same message could have been come across using squadmates, who you actually CARED about in the dream sequences. 
The kid felt forced, and hence, you don't grow any attatchment for him.

I'd appreciate if you would not start assuming things about people and actually read their posts, they have very good arguments against the kid other than rage towards the ending (which is completely justified precisely because of the kid). 

 Well Im not talking about the people who used their logic to make a comment I'm talking about the ones who didn't and just trashed him because it represents the bad ending....