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[StarcloudSWG]

This is a collection of links regarding the endings and why they don't work as the finale to the Mass Effect 3 story. I have tried to find the most cogent and coherent explanations; if someone can add to this list or post a critique of equal or better quality to these, that would be appreciated.

With the speed at which this forum moves and the recent spate of locked threads, I felt a central repository of these links was necessary.

On my own part, I tend to agree with the points these people have made on both the objective and emotional levels. While I understand and accept that some people found the endings to be all right, I personally and strongly disagree; The ending feels unfinished, incomplete, and rushed.

Very important videos:
Mass Effect 3 Ending: Tasteful, understated nerdrage (MrBTongue)
Mass Effect 3 Ending: Tasteful, understated nerdrage expanded and clarified (MrBTongue)

Ending Critiques:
Maintaining the artistic integrity of the original story
The ending of Mass Effect 3: Why it's bad
Musings of a Screenwriter: The Endings Thread
A logical breakdown of why the Mass Effect 3 endings make no sense (Google Docs)
Mass Effect 3 Ending Hatred: Five reasons the fans are right (Gamefront)
Why you enjoy art, and the one problem with Mass Effect 3 ending (The Metagames)
My thoughts on the ending as a writing/literary teacher ...
The psychology of why we dislike the endings
"The comprehensive list of grievances" thread
On the betrayal of hope in Mass Effect 3's ending
Mass Effect 3 Ending Deconstruction (Shamus Young)
Mass Effect 3: A study of shell games
Why I hold the line: Words from a literature grad student
Mass Effect 3 Alternate Endings (Deviant Art, text links that look like incomplete thumbnails. Includes critique and explanation of themes)
Mass Effect 3 Ending Controversy (Escapist, Shamus Young)
Changing Mass Effect 3: Artistic Integrity or Consumer Product? (Corkonia)
In Depth thematic analysis of Mass Effect 3 Ending: Pt. 1
"The end seems arbitrary."
All that matters is the ending: Part 2 (JM Stevenson)
Why the fans are upset (ending spoilers)
So, about those 'insightful' and 'philosophical' endings
An interesting post from the Penny Arcade forums
Further analysis and critique of the ending (includes suggestion for better ending)
The Mass Effect 3 ending is racist (Actual argument involves how the ending justifies genocide)
Mass Effect, Tolkien, and your BS artistic process (Doyce Testerman)
Mass Effect 3's ending disrespects invested players (Kotaku)
Dr. Dray (lit. professor) examines the themes of the ending

Spoiler-free:
Everything you need to know about the ME3 ending controversy

Reviews including the ending:
California Literary Review: Mass Effect 3
Mass Effect 3: A posthumous analysis

Plot holes:
Specific questions raised by the ending

Youtube:
Top Ten Reasons to hate the Mass Effect 3 endings (Angry Joe, putting many of the complaints into video form)
Mass Effect 3 Ending and Why we Hate It (Jeremy Jahns, makes many of the same points)

Modifié par StarcloudSWG, 18 avril 2012 - 06:57 .

[StarcloudSWG]

I don't even know how far back this thread got buried in the half hour it's been up. Does anyone have any links they'd like to propose adding?

[Narsilsword]

I'll help you keep this up. There are a lot of links so people might read them before commenting

[Dhraconus]

You should edit in titles of some sort, especially for the forum threads just so it's clear.

I'd also recommend this thread:

On the betrayal of hope in Mass Effect 3' endings
http://social.biowar...ndex/10289506/1

[Tovanus]

Maybe the best one I've read:

http://www.shamusyou...edtale/?p=15395

[Baronesa]

Great links !!! We need more threads compiling info

[Silveralen]

Thanks! Jeez maybe we should cool it with new threads, this is kinda getting absurd.

[StarcloudSWG]

Hopefully, this'll stick on the front page for a few more minutes than last time.

[cyrrant]

Always good to have a compilation. I keep seeing threads pop up asking what all the fuss is about.

Our Choices Should Matter - Hold the Line

[StarcloudSWG]

I'm not going into the meta-arguments about business and selling DLCs and such. That's not a topic that really belongs except in the context of deliberately ending a game early and then selling the ending to players later. I don't think that's what happened here.

[StarcloudSWG]

Here, another push to get this noticed, and asking for any more submissions of good, efffective and well thought out criticisms.

[FunstuffofDoom]

Some threads I've found, that I like. (And my thread)

A Study of Shell Games
Why I Hold the Line
Mass Effect Three Alternate Endings

[StarcloudSWG]

Unfortunately, I can't see the pictures on that Deviant Art page, and therefore I don't feel right about adding them to the collection of ending critiques.

Edit: All right, I see the documents now. Adding the link.

Modifié par StarcloudSWG, 23 mars 2012 - 06:29 .

[GuardianAngel470]

Cool, you got mine in there. I forgot to include the consequences of the first problem, I may or may not go back and include them.

EDIT: For the record, mine is the "Then Ending of Mass Effect 3: Why it's Bad" post. 

Modifié par GuardianAngel470, 23 mars 2012 - 06:27 .

[StarcloudSWG]

You wrote a good, thoughtful criticism of the current ending, of course it's in there.

Modifié par StarcloudSWG, 23 mars 2012 - 06:33 .

[mghjr6]

"Maintaining the Artistic integrity of the original story" is a nice little gem. Important info in light of the "artistic integrity" defense. Must know info.

[Grumpy-Mcfart]

got a couple of youtube links for yah:


10 reasons we hate mass effect 3's ending

Mass effect 3's ending and why we hate it.

Modifié par Grumpy-Mcfart, 23 mars 2012 - 06:42 .

[StarcloudSWG]

Absolutely. It's not about the integrity of the artists, it's about the integrity of the story themes and genre. And one of the big reasons people severely dislike the ending is that the ending *does not fit* the established story themes.

[Pallid]

http://calitreview.com/24673 

Modifié par omskman, 23 mars 2012 - 07:07 .

[StarcloudSWG]

I thought about including the California Literary Review piece, however, it struck me as being more of a review of the game and not a critique of the ending. As such, it doesn't quite fit the purpose of the thread as I see it.

Thank you for recommending it, though. It is a good piece.

Modifié par StarcloudSWG, 23 mars 2012 - 07:26 .

[Aznable Char]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

I thought about including the California Literary Review piece, however, it struck me as being more of a review of the game and not a critique of the ending. As such, it doesn't quite fit the purpose of the thread as I see it.

Thank you for recommending it, though. It is a good piece.

The CLR interview seems valid in the sense that it does indeed commentate on the ending quite well. I understand your concerns about the review of the game as a whole , but if we begin to divorce the ending critique from the overall architecture for the game , it wouldn't seem fair both to people who are reading news or reviews about it and saying "well , that's only 1% of the game" but also as a perspective from a contextual standpoint . I think the major advantage of the CLR document is that it shows that not only had BioWare fumbled on the ending , but why it can ruin the rest of the game . The lines in the middle in particular were indicative and I think this perspective of showing how the 1% affects the other 99% is integral . This will also bolster an academic perspective as studying a system in its entirety constitutes greater credibility than homing in on one particular problem .

[StarcloudSWG]

All right, I'll put it under a separate heading and include it.

[StarcloudSWG]

Oh, hey, only hit page five in an hour. Then again, it is 2 am pacific, 5 am eastern.

Did anyone spot any worthwhile threads that fit this theme?

[Aznable Char]

have you coordinated with that person who is running the compilation thread by the way ? That might be helpful so that he or she could also provide a link to this one .

[RedTail F22]

I love these post that have all the rational arguments in one easy to locate place. Thanks OP.

Now when someone debates our side maybe they can actually do a little research seeing how its now much much easier to obtain our POV before spewing garbage.(Not saying all who oppose us do that, just a few)