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[Wabajakka]

Surprised you found a critic review that discussed the ending at all lol.

[jedsithor]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

I prefer, and have linked to, The Corkonian's blog about artistic integrity or consumer product. The "Rainbow beam" post reiterates just about all of the arguments that the other ones do. And the Shamus Young piece is already linked, but it's definitely worth reading.

Full disclosure - I wrote both Rainbow Beam of Doom and Artistic Integrity vs Consumer Product.

[StarcloudSWG]

So far as I can tell, the California Literary Review is the only professional review that goes into any detail at all about the ending.
There's another, but the reviewer only takes off two points out of a hundred because of the ending, and that tells me he just pushed through the game and only looked at it at face value. And if you don't think about what the ending implies, or if you don't care about the setting, from a distance, the ending only looks rushed and abrupt.

[GuardianAngel470]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

So far as I can tell, the California Literary Review is the only professional review that goes into any detail at all about the ending.
There's another, but the reviewer only takes off two points out of a hundred because of the ending, and that tells me he just pushed through the game and only looked at it at face value. And if you don't think about what the ending implies, or if you don't care about the setting, from a distance, the ending only looks rushed and abrupt.

Agreed. The only reason I can think of for why people like or don't mind the endings is if they 1) don't consider the implications, 2) don't consider the inconsistencies, 3) don't really care about the choices they've made, or 4) started with ME3.

I leave out those that simply have accepted things as being the way they are as their motivations are different.

[Tovanus]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

I prefer, and have linked to, The Corkonian's blog about artistic integrity or consumer product. The "Rainbow beam" post reiterates just about all of the arguments that the other ones do. And the Shamus Young piece is already linked, but it's definitely worth reading.

So you did! Didn't catch that, thought I only saw the first Shamus piece I linked from before. But you found the others before I did it seems.

[StarcloudSWG]

No problems. Even if you do miss a link that I've already posted, please post it again. I'd like to keep this list of threads in the public eye.

Despite the downvoting apparently going on by a few people who seem to think that lowering star counts will somehow make threads less relevant, I feel that this is a good repository for arguments against the current endings that are both reasonable and rational. Even the ones that explain why the ending feels like a punch in the gut are based in psychological and literary studies and are not just emotional counter-reactions.

[Zopane]

Fantastic collection. I'll have to give a few of these a good read tomorrow. I have a few older articles myself that I've archived elsewhere, and if I have any that you don't, I'll definitely drop some of them here.

Thanks for the great work!

[jedsithor]

I also wrote a series of alternate ending scenarios and a "history of the reapers" concept based on it, in a Google document. It's something I'm going to be adding to over the next few weeks. I don't know if it's something you're interested in but I'll post the link and you can decide for yourself.

https://docs.google....N_-xYDLBHW4mNsE

[StarcloudSWG]

That fits a theme in the ending that could have been touched on, but never was; basically, that the Crucible was an 'intelligence/cultural test' devised by the first Reaper/The Catalyst. It's definitely an interesting ending and would have been a great deal better than what we got from Casey Hudson.

[StarcloudSWG]

Just came across a thread that just has to be added, even though it's a work in progress.

[GodChildInTheMachine]

Heh, I was going to barge in and suggest you take a look at the thematic analysis I just posted, but you beat me to it! Thanks for the consideration, and thanks for making all of this material easily accessible

[CDHarrisUSF]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

That fits a theme in the ending that could have been touched on, but never was; basically, that the Crucible was an 'intelligence/cultural test' devised by the first Reaper/The Catalyst. It's definitely an interesting ending and would have been a great deal better than what we got from Casey Hudson.

That would have been an interesting concept to base an ending around.

[StarcloudSWG]

No barging needed, since I happened to be looking on the forum when you posted it, GCiTM. That said, the link would've helped if I hadn't been lucky enough to see it first.

CDHarris, I agree. It would've been, and it would've answered the question of "Why did the Reapers allow the information about the Crucible to survive for so many millions of years?" Because the Reapers do apparently allow information to be passed from cycle to cycle.

[dubdevo]

He might not be in the press, and its a bit long. But I felt it seals the deal for me. Its worth the watch.

[StarcloudSWG]

Added a link addressing the Catalyst/Reaper AI 'child'.

[StarcloudSWG]

Another external link added.

[AwesomeDudex64]

Subbed. I'll make sure to link to this thread anytime someone thinks we're entitled brats.

[StarcloudSWG]

Thank you. Seriously, each and every one of those links points out rational reasons why the ending is so disappointing. It has nothing to do with "entitlement" and everything to do with getting a proper resolution to the story, that fits the themes *actually* presented in the games, and doesn't pull a sudden left turn into lalaland.

[StarcloudSWG]

The evening push for interested readers and asking for links to good, thoughtful critiques.

[Mage One]

There's a good article up at The Mary Sue.

It does a good job of outlining the issue for people who want to avoid spoilers as much as possible but are irresistibly curious.

Modifié par Mage One, 25 mars 2012 - 01:08 .

[StarcloudSWG]

Read it, approved, and added.

[StarcloudSWG]

Pushing to the top, in case anyone has more suggestions.

[StarcloudSWG]

One last push up for tonight. I havent' seen anything to add, but maybe someone else has.

[FortitudeSon]

Thanks OP, was looking for a post like this.

[StarcloudSWG]

You're welcome. Sometimes I get lucky and stumble across a link or a forum post that should be added, but it's hard to track everything that gets to these boards.